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Old 04-06-2014, 21:54
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Looking at ITV's consolidated figures, and I didn't realise how low Family Matter's at 14:00 had fallen......

19/05 - 547k (10.0%)
20/05 - 450k (7.3%)
21/05 - 397k (8.2%)
22/05 - 425k (6.8%)
23/05 - 532k (8.2%)
26/05 - 334k (3.8%)
27/05 - 500k (6.8%)

How has this survived until the end of its run?
Itv do not axe shows these days mid-run. They could rate absolutely disasterously, but theyll continue to air every single episode in the same kind of slot. Just like Edge of Heaven which fell to around 1.3million. Its not the way any normal commercial channel should work. Even the BBC doesnt stick with such stinkers, they kick them off the schedules pretty sharp-ish if they underperform so badly.
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Old 04-06-2014, 21:55
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Have you ever thought of not taking everything so seriously in life?

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Yes I have. That's why I love your pun-tastic programme titles so much. Names like Bore & Order and Granny-Chester never fail to cheer me up. They're just so witty and clever.

Keep 'em coming. You're a genius.
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Old 04-06-2014, 21:56
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Alarming ratings for Eastenders last night with or without the clash.
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Old 04-06-2014, 21:58
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Looking at ITV's consolidated figures, and I didn't realise how low Family Matter's at 14:00 had fallen......

19/05 - 547k (10.0%)
20/05 - 450k (7.3%)
21/05 - 397k (8.2%)
22/05 - 425k (6.8%)
23/05 - 532k (8.2%)
26/05 - 334k (3.8%)
27/05 - 500k (6.8%)

How has this survived until the end of its run?
The show is dire. Jo Frost has morphed into Jeremy Kyle.
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Old 04-06-2014, 22:10
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Not sure if anyone will find this interesting, but here are the 16-34 audiences for BGT and Corrie last week. The percentages quoted are the percentage of the total audience that were aged 16-34 (ie. the 16-34 skew).

Monday
Britain's Got Talent: 2.11m (22.0%)
Coronation Street: 1.45m (16.1%)
Britain's Got Talent Results: 1.57m (19.3%)

Tuesday
Britain's Got Talent: 1.87m (22.7%)
Coronation Street: 1.61m (18.6%)
Britain's Got Talent Results: 1.46m (21.0%)

Wednesday
Britain's Got Talent: 1.78m (21.0%)
Coronation Street: 1.68m (18.4%)
Britain's Got Talent Results: 1.40m (19.7%)

Thursday
Britain's Got Talent: 1.74m (20.6%)
Coronation Street: 1.56m (17.0%)
Britain's Got Talent Results: 1.50m (19.4%)

Saturday
Britain's Got Talent: 1.48m (19.1%)
Britain's Got Talent Results: 1.09m (17.8%)

Looks like the slightly older skewing Corrie means the BGT results skew a bit older than the performances. Corrie skewed younger than it gets credit for though. BGT had a real mare on Saturday though: very low total numbers and an older than normal skew. Suggests it was the weather though as a nice Saturday is more likely to drag younger viewers away than older viewers.

And also, here are the 16-34 audiences for the BGT audition shows:

12/04: 2.60m (23.5%)
19/04: 2.06m (22.2%)
26/04: 2.20m (21.8%)
03/05: 2.20m (23.0%)
10/05: 2.22m (23.6%)
17/05: 2.08m (22.4%)
25/05: 1.99m (23.6%)

The audition shows skew a little younger than the live shows. Again you could possibly put that down to the scheduling as I recall seeing a similar pattern in previous years too.
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Old 04-06-2014, 22:10
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Itv do not axe shows these days mid-run. They could rate absolutely disasterously, but theyll continue to air every single episode in the same kind of slot. Just like Edge of Heaven which fell to around 1.3million. Its not the way any normal commercial channel should work. Even the BBC doesnt stick with such stinkers, they kick them off the schedules pretty sharp-ish if they underperform so badly.
Because it annoys the viewers who are watching it

You can guarantee if ITV had pulled Edge of Heaven, a thread would have appeared here along the lines of

"Why have ITV dropped decent comedy like Edge of Heaven yet still keep rubbish like Britain's got no talent on every week of the year, ITV are idiots"

and then those people may not watch ITV anymore.
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Old 04-06-2014, 22:14
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Have you ever thought of not taking everything so seriously in life?


The thing with Downton abbey however is that it has an ensemble cast, with characters of all age ranges. It appeals to people of all ages [especially the elderly] because although it is set 100years before now, people can relate to the characters. However because Granchester is a crime drama set in the 50s with just a couple of principal characters, although it will be extremely popular among the over 65 bracket, it may struggle below the 50yr old age range which could limit its overall audience. Just like Endeavour.

Granchester also, although not quite as many cast members does have a range of ages. James Norton has now had his profile raised thanks to Happy Valley and is the lead character.

Why are you always so negative about ITV dramas? Why does it make you feel better to slag them off?
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Old 04-06-2014, 22:15
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Because it annoys the viewers who are watching it

You can guarantee if ITV had pulled Edge of Heaven, a thread would have appeared here along the lines of

"Why have ITV dropped decent comedy like Edge of Heaven yet still keep rubbish like Britain's got no talent on every week of the year, ITV are idiots"

and then those people may not watch ITV anymore.
But surely it is in the best interests of most viewers for Itv to drop shows like Edge of Heaven? Only 1.3million people would be annoyed. But even replacing it with Lewis repeats, would rate double that. People wont stop watching Itv anymore just because a show like Edge of Heaven is pulled from the schedules.

Why are you always so negative about ITV dramas? Why does it make you feel better to slag them off?
Im not always negative. And by the way, Ive never called Broadchurch boredchurch. You have mistaken me for someone else.
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Old 04-06-2014, 22:18
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Why are you always so negative about ITV dramas? Why does it make you feel better to slag them off?
Frankly it's getting quite boring. Change the programme names and its the same predictable posts month in month out.

I'm sure he has a template of already written posts, just changes the names of the shows around.
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Old 04-06-2014, 22:19
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Not sure if anyone will find this interesting, but here are the 16-34 audiences for BGT and Corrie last week. The percentages quoted are the percentage of the total audience that were aged 16-34 (ie. the 16-34 skew).

Monday
Britain's Got Talent: 2.11m (22.0%)
Coronation Street: 1.45m (16.1%)
Britain's Got Talent Results: 1.57m (19.3%)

Tuesday
Britain's Got Talent: 1.87m (22.7%)
Coronation Street: 1.61m (18.6%)
Britain's Got Talent Results: 1.46m (21.0%)

Wednesday
Britain's Got Talent: 1.78m (21.0%)
Coronation Street: 1.68m (18.4%)
Britain's Got Talent Results: 1.40m (19.7%)

Thursday
Britain's Got Talent: 1.74m (20.6%)
Coronation Street: 1.56m (17.0%)
Britain's Got Talent Results: 1.50m (19.4%)

Saturday
Britain's Got Talent: 1.48m (19.1%)
Britain's Got Talent Results: 1.09m (17.8%)

Looks like the slightly older skewing Corrie means the BGT results skew a bit older than the performances. Corrie skewed younger than it gets credit for though. BGT had a real mare on Saturday though: very low total numbers and an older than normal skew. Suggests it was the weather though as a nice Saturday is more likely to drag younger viewers away than older viewers.

And also, here are the 16-34 audiences for the BGT audition shows:

12/04: 2.60m (23.5%)
19/04: 2.06m (22.2%)
26/04: 2.20m (21.8%)
03/05: 2.20m (23.0%)
10/05: 2.22m (23.6%)
17/05: 2.08m (22.4%)
25/05: 1.99m (23.6%)

The audition shows skew a little younger than the live shows. Again you could possibly put that down to the scheduling as I recall seeing a similar pattern in previous years too.
Thanks, very interesting and much appreciated

That 1.7m stands out particularly, since its can't be far off EE's 16-35 skew.

What the BGT skew does show though, is that its even less luctrative than IAC which I'm sure has a couple of 3m+ 16-34 skew and 2m on weekdays.
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Old 04-06-2014, 22:21
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But surely it is in the best interests of most viewers for Itv to drop shows like Edge of Heaven? Only 1.3million people would be annoyed. But even replacing it with Lewis repeats, would rate double that. People wont stop watching Itv anymore just because a show like Edge of Heaven is pulled from the schedules.


Im not always negative. And by the way, Ive never called Broadchurch boredchurch. You have mistaken me for someone else.
For the life of me I can't recall a time when you weren't. I really wish you were more objective Samuel.

I didn't say you did, that was Andy. That was Robbie's catchphrase when he felt threatened by a popular ITV drama.
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Old 04-06-2014, 22:28
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Thanks, very interesting and much appreciated

That 1.7m stands out particularly, since its can't be far off EE's 16-35 skew.

What the BGT skew does show though, is that its even less luctrative than IAC which I'm sure has a couple of 3m+ 16-34 skew and 2m on weekdays.
BGT and IAC tend to have about the same percentage skew (IAC is normally in the low 20s). IAC got higher audiences for the weeknight shows last year, although remember IAC does air in November and December rather than in the May heat, at 8.30/9pm rather than 7.30pm against EastEnders and only does 60-90 mins a night. It does get a much cushier arrangement.
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Old 04-06-2014, 22:37
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Granchester also, although not quite as many cast members does have a range of ages. James Norton has now had his profile raised thanks to Happy Valley and is the lead character.
It seems those who know the books say it is exactly what we thought a Father Brown clone not that there is anything wrong with that. The interesting thing to me is BBC put Father Brown in the afternoon and this is obviously going to be primetime - I wonder who has got it right?
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Old 04-06-2014, 22:41
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Corrie is pretty old skewing percentage wise, but because its total audience is pretty big it actually does better in 16-34 than most give it credit for. Beating three out of four BGT results shows there for example and not too far off the performance shows.
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Old 04-06-2014, 22:41
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Yes I have. That's why I love your pun-tastic programme titles so much. Names like Bore & Order and Granny-Chester never fail to cheer me up. They're just so witty and clever.

Keep 'em coming. You're a genius.
Here is a real stereotype, I saw three people in tracksuits today who looked off their heads and thought, typical Jeremy Kyle Show viewers, same as I drive past a bingo now and again and think, Coronation St Fan Central. Not strictly true, as the Queen was a fan of CS in the eighties, but certain stereotypes ring true, same as some old man I saw in a bar in the Tyne Valley with his FT yesterday, and thought, probably likes antique shows on BBC One.
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Old 04-06-2014, 22:43
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Because it annoys the viewers who are watching it

You can guarantee if ITV had pulled Edge of Heaven, a thread would have appeared here along the lines of

"Why have ITV dropped decent comedy like Edge of Heaven yet still keep rubbish like Britain's got no talent on every week of the year, ITV are idiots"

and then those people may not watch ITV anymore.
Come on Andy, be honest. Did you watch Edge of Heaven? Do you honestly think it deserved to be allowed to continue its run? It started with way over 3 million viewers. It ended up with just over 1m. ITV would have served their audience better with Doc Martin repeats. Doc Martin is a well made, viewer friendly drama that people enjoy watching. Edge of Heaven could have finished its run at 10.35pm after the News. Those who wanted to watch it would still have been able to and the 9pm slot would have been more accessible to a wider audience.

If you watched Edge of Heaven, did you like it? If so, why?
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Old 04-06-2014, 22:53
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Andy Murray would of boosted ITV4 tonight as he advances into the semi finals of the French Open.
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Old 04-06-2014, 23:10
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Andy Murray would of boosted ITV4 tonight as he advances into the semi finals of the French Open.
Yes they have done well and will do better if he makes the final. This is exactly the sort of sport ITV4 need to continue with - is there any other tennis they could get or have Sky/BT got it all?
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Old 04-06-2014, 23:29
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Some peaks for boxing fights on Sky Sports Box Office in recent years:

Hatton v Mayweather Jnr [2007]: 1.4m [04:50]
Haye v Harrison [2010]: 246,200 [22:20]
Haye v Klitschko [2011]: 1.23m [22:50]
Froch v Groves [2013]: 253,100 [22:50]
Froch v Groves II [2014]: 477,200 [22:35]
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Old 05-06-2014, 07:52
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Come on Andy, be honest. Did you watch Edge of Heaven? Do you honestly think it deserved to be allowed to continue its run? It started with way over 3 million viewers. It ended up with just over 1m. ITV would have served their audience better with Doc Martin repeats. Doc Martin is a well made, viewer friendly drama that people enjoy watching. Edge of Heaven could have finished its run at 10.35pm after the News. Those who wanted to watch it would still have been able to and the 9pm slot would have been more accessible to a wider audience.

If you watched Edge of Heaven, did you like it? If so, why?
No I didn't. But if you axe it mid run, you annoy those viewers, then you axe The Americans, and annoy the people who were following that, then you axe something else and annoy them. Before you know it the entire audience has been annoyed at least once by ITV axing their 'favourite programme'

They don't know it was rating poorly, to them it didn't matter. It annoys them more when they would usually be replaced by a thrown together repeat, often a completely different genre.

People in this thread who seemingly like every high rating programme and hate every low rating programme wouldn't understand this.
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Old 05-06-2014, 08:34
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No I didn't. But if you axe it mid run, you annoy those viewers, then you axe The Americans, and annoy the people who were following that, then you axe something else and annoy them. Before you know it the entire audience has been annoyed at least once by ITV axing their 'favourite programme'

They don't know it was rating poorly, to them it didn't matter. It annoys them more when they would usually be replaced by a thrown together repeat, often a completely different genre.

People in this thread who seemingly like every high rating programme and hate every low rating programme wouldn't understand this.

I notice in the comments section on the main pages where the article of ITV resting Law & Order UK, has several posts of 'the only thing on ITV worth watching.....', 'why would they axe this great drama' etc. I would say its far from their best drama.

Not related to what your saying, but the amount of people on the GMB forum who seem to turn on just at that moment they talk to Richard Arnold for 5minutes is amazing.
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Old 05-06-2014, 08:54
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Turns out the two Pointless editions on BBC Two the week before Wimbledon will be repeats.
Well, I am pleased about that, because I was very worried about being able to keep up with Pointless while watching the World Cup and, far less importantly, having a job. No need to waste new episodes at a time when they'll be flung about and shown opposite World Cup matches.

Course, Noel did do another series for the Beeb after House Party ended, in the summer of 1999 he did The World Of The Secret Camera which was a compilation of hidden camera stunts from around the world. I don't know if that was filmed during or after House Party but the response from most people appeared to be "I thought Noel had left the Beeb?", and nobody watched it. He was a bit of a soiled brand at the time. Wasn't a very inspired format either, even though Noel suggested it was "the definitive history" of the genre.

Holby is looking vulnerable. 4m might seem decent now but if it gets 4m while a programme on ITV gets 6m it will be looked at more closely. It's close to Waterloo Road territory.
But Holby's already been beaten by BBC2, hasn't it? So we know it's a series that can dip if something more interesting comes along. Happily for Holby, ITV appear not to have noticed that.
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Old 05-06-2014, 09:09
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If ITV start competing in that 8pm slot next year then I feel it might knock Holby down to axe territories and give the BBC an easier decision to cancel it. At the moment its still rating respectably.

Losing the football I believe will come as a blessing in disguise, allowing the Tuesday schedule to improve massively.
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Old 05-06-2014, 09:16
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If ITV start competing in that 8pm slot next year then I feel it might knock Holby down to axe territories and give the BBC an easier decision to cancel it. At the moment its still rating respectably.

Losing the football I believe will come as a blessing in disguise, allowing the Tuesday schedule to improve massively.
We can only hope thats true.
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Old 05-06-2014, 09:24
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No I didn't. But if you axe it mid run, you annoy those viewers, then you axe The Americans, and annoy the people who were following that, then you axe something else and annoy them. Before you know it the entire audience has been annoyed at least once by ITV axing their 'favourite programme'

They don't know it was rating poorly, to them it didn't matter. It annoys them more when they would usually be replaced by a thrown together repeat, often a completely different genre.

People in this thread who seemingly like every high rating programme and hate every low rating programme wouldn't understand this.
Its an interesting argument which would probably affect me a little as I tend to like a lot more lower raters. I dont watch any of the main reality/entertainment and dislike quite a few of the big dramas too. Much rather watch The Fall/Line of Duty/Game of Thrones/Peaky Blinders than DA for example.
I am not sure that there have been that many shows pulled either by either side but they do occur when they produce rubbish.
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