Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“I like it - spread the blame.
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“I like it - spread the blame.
”
It's called a fact Neil.
Also worth highlighting this news might have been missed had I not posted it.
The Ratings Thread (Part 60)
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It's called a fact Neil.
Also worth highlighting this news might have been missed had I not posted it.
Originally Posted by C14E:
“After ABC's press note imploring reporters to wait for the timezone adjusted rating, it was still a 1.5!”
“After ABC's press note imploring reporters to wait for the timezone adjusted rating, it was still a 1.5!”
Quote:
“In a way it's a disappointment - Israel and Rising Star was something quite exciting and got everyone talking in a way that hadn't been seen since The Voice. Going into the US so quickly and so unsuccessfully is going to burst that bubble in a massive way and may even impact on other versions (including the UK show).”
“In a way it's a disappointment - Israel and Rising Star was something quite exciting and got everyone talking in a way that hadn't been seen since The Voice. Going into the US so quickly and so unsuccessfully is going to burst that bubble in a massive way and may even impact on other versions (including the UK show).”
ITV execs must be crying into their lattes. And we have our own spoiler on these shores in the form of Channel 4's eerily-similar effort. Not often I praise Channel 4 but full credit to them!
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“It's called a fact Neil.
Also worth highlighting this news might have been missed had I not posted it.”
“It's called a fact Neil.
Also worth highlighting this news might have been missed had I not posted it.”
Only pulling your leg, Dancc.
Originally Posted by Philip Wilson:
“If Corrie gets 7.5m then I don't think EE has a hope in hell of getting over 4m unless there is a mass turnover for the second half. Its not going to be pretty for EE in the morning but there is little point making a huge song and dance about a one off clash.”
“If Corrie gets 7.5m then I don't think EE has a hope in hell of getting over 4m unless there is a mass turnover for the second half. Its not going to be pretty for EE in the morning but there is little point making a huge song and dance about a one off clash.”
Agreed. A really ugly night ahead for EE but to be expected against a more popular soap with a head start.
What's the lowest overnight audience the show has ever recorded?
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“What's the lowest overnight audience the show has ever recorded?”
“What's the lowest overnight audience the show has ever recorded?”
3.6million against EDale in 2006.
Originally Posted by SamuelW:
“3.6million against EDale in 2006.”
“3.6million against EDale in 2006.”
Thanks. It's going to flirt with that sort of number I think, might just escape setting a new low.
Originally Posted by SamuelW:
“An anonymous source at the BBC.”
“An anonymous source at the BBC.”
Right, ok.
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“According to media journal Broadcast, ITV Studios' dating show Stand By Your Man slumped to an utterly woeful 0.4% share in its new 11.30PM slot on C5, with an average audience of 214K.
May I suggest they don't even bother transmitting the remaining episodes ?”
“According to media journal Broadcast, ITV Studios' dating show Stand By Your Man slumped to an utterly woeful 0.4% share in its new 11.30PM slot on C5, with an average audience of 214K.
May I suggest they don't even bother transmitting the remaining episodes ?”
ITV Studios??? They're making a Take Me Out rip off?!
You couldn't make it up.
Originally Posted by C14E:
“After ABC's press note imploring reporters to wait for the timezone adjusted rating, it was still a 1.5!”
“After ABC's press note imploring reporters to wait for the timezone adjusted rating, it was still a 1.5!”
They must be disappointed with that number no rise for Rising Star.
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“This was the premiere though - that usually helps. And what's more concerning is that where AGT added 2m viewers across the 2 hours (in a slot announced only 5 days previously), Rising Star actually lost a few. There was no sign of growth. And now it will get blasted in the media.
I thought the scheduling might backfire on NBC but AGT really held up in the demo and Rising Star bombed big time. Even lower than Duets in 2012. So I guess credit to NBC.
In a way it's a disappointment - Israel and Rising Star was something quite exciting and got everyone talking in a way that hadn't been seen since The Voice. Going into the US so quickly and so unsuccessfully is going to burst that bubble in a massive way and may even impact on other versions (including the UK show).”
“This was the premiere though - that usually helps. And what's more concerning is that where AGT added 2m viewers across the 2 hours (in a slot announced only 5 days previously), Rising Star actually lost a few. There was no sign of growth. And now it will get blasted in the media.
I thought the scheduling might backfire on NBC but AGT really held up in the demo and Rising Star bombed big time. Even lower than Duets in 2012. So I guess credit to NBC.
In a way it's a disappointment - Israel and Rising Star was something quite exciting and got everyone talking in a way that hadn't been seen since The Voice. Going into the US so quickly and so unsuccessfully is going to burst that bubble in a massive way and may even impact on other versions (including the UK show).”
Rising Star hasn't been as strong in other markets as Israel. The question for the US version is will good word of mouth help the ratings going forward? Rising Star could be a falling star before the series is over. Usually a premiere draws in a crowd, but as you say, that didn't happen here.
ITV will put a ton of promotion into Rising Star. But will it take off here?
Originally Posted by SamuelW:
“3.6million against EDale in 2006.”
“3.6million against EDale in 2006.”
Wasn't it 3.9m?! My records don't go back that far - but I'm sure it was 3.9m IIRC. Can dullagj2 confirm please?!
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“ITV Studios??? They're making a Take Me Out rip off?!
You couldn't make it up.”
“ITV Studios??? They're making a Take Me Out rip off?!
You couldn't make it up.”
Everything about it was ghastly. I honestly think C5 should consider airing a formal apology on Friday night and promise not to air any further episodes. It's the least they can do.
itv has served up two of the biggest flops in the 17 year history of C5 as a network within the space of about 9 months. And that takes some doing because they served up a lot of shite around 1999-2001 especially.
Originally Posted by Roscoe Barnes:
“Wasn't it 3.9m?! My records don't go back that far - but I'm sure it was 3.9m IIRC. Can dullagj2 confirm please?!”
“Wasn't it 3.9m?! My records don't go back that far - but I'm sure it was 3.9m IIRC. Can dullagj2 confirm please?!”
Hopefully dullagj2 will know, but the lowest I could find was 3.9m. See these posts from 14 June, the day after EastEnders' very low rating on the Friday:
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Given how EastEnders timeshifts on Friday's (due to how it is logged), it is unlikely to make 5 million consolidated. Since 2006, these are the consolidated first-run figures under 5 million:
4.99m - 04/06/2010
4.77m - 21/09/2006
4.29m - 17/05/2007
4.11m - 13/07/2006
So will be interesting to see where yesterday's figure eventually fits in there.”
“Given how EastEnders timeshifts on Friday's (due to how it is logged), it is unlikely to make 5 million consolidated. Since 2006, these are the consolidated first-run figures under 5 million:
4.99m - 04/06/2010
4.77m - 21/09/2006
4.29m - 17/05/2007
4.11m - 13/07/2006
So will be interesting to see where yesterday's figure eventually fits in there.”
Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“That Thursday episode in July 2006 averaged 3.9m to one decimal place in the overnights, and had a share of 23.1% - identical to the share last night - whereas in the year to date up to that point EastEnders had been averaging 9.7m (45.0%) in the overnights. (Sources: Broadcast, MediaGuardian)”
“That Thursday episode in July 2006 averaged 3.9m to one decimal place in the overnights, and had a share of 23.1% - identical to the share last night - whereas in the year to date up to that point EastEnders had been averaging 9.7m (45.0%) in the overnights. (Sources: Broadcast, MediaGuardian)”
EastEnders on Friday 13 June 2014 increased by +0.68m to 4.65m in the officials, so it was the third-worst official rating since 2005 or earlier and, most likely, the third-worst ever. (But there is the omnibus issue to take into account, and that is further evidence right there - +0.68m is a very small increase* in historical terms for an early out-of-slot Friday episode clashing with Emmerdale).
* We don't know the true timeshift yet, but it's likely to be not far from the raw +0.68m increase from overnights to officials, as EastEnders ran reasonably close to time: 18:59-19:28.
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Interesting, what's the source for this target?”
“Interesting, what's the source for this target?
”
How ridiculous. As if 4 million for EE on a Monday is a target the BBC aspires to.
The lowest-ever overnight share for EastEnders appears to be 19.6% on Thursday 17 May 2007, according to Wiki, with that share backed up (to the nearest % point) by MediaGuardian, which also reported that 3.9m was the lowest-ever:
(cont/d...)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EastEnd...and_viewership
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2007/may/18/overnights
Quote:
“Last night's hour-long Emmerdale special revealing the killer of Tom King pushed EastEnders to its second lowest audience.
ITV1's Emmerdale attracted 8.6 million viewers and a 44% share between 7pm and 8pm, according to unofficial overnights.
This was Emmerdale's best share since July last year and the special knocked EastEnders off its stride once again.
Over on BBC1, EastEnders slumped to 4 million viewers and a 20% share between 7.30pm and 8pm.
EastEnders was just a whisker away from its lowest ever audience of 3.9 million viewers on July 13 last year, also against an hour-long Emmerdale special.
Emmerdale also gave a ratings leg up to The Bill, which overtook Holby City last night on the second week of the two dramas' head to head battle on Thursday nights.”
“Last night's hour-long Emmerdale special revealing the killer of Tom King pushed EastEnders to its second lowest audience.
ITV1's Emmerdale attracted 8.6 million viewers and a 44% share between 7pm and 8pm, according to unofficial overnights.
This was Emmerdale's best share since July last year and the special knocked EastEnders off its stride once again.
Over on BBC1, EastEnders slumped to 4 million viewers and a 20% share between 7.30pm and 8pm.
EastEnders was just a whisker away from its lowest ever audience of 3.9 million viewers on July 13 last year, also against an hour-long Emmerdale special.
Emmerdale also gave a ratings leg up to The Bill, which overtook Holby City last night on the second week of the two dramas' head to head battle on Thursday nights.”
(cont/d...)
Spoiler
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EastEnd...and_viewership
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2007/may/18/overnights
Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“Hopefully dullagj2 will know, but the lowest I could find was 3.9m. See these posts from 14 June, the day after EastEnders' very low rating on the Friday:
EastEnders on Friday 13 June 2014 increased by +0.68m to 4.65m in the officials, so it was the third-worst official rating since 2005 or earlier and, most likely, the third-worst ever. (But there is the omnibus issue to take into account, and that is further evidence right there - +0.68m is a very small increase* in historical terms for an early out-of-slot Friday episode clashing with Emmerdale).
* We don't know the true timeshift yet, but it's likely to be not far from the raw +0.68m increase from overnights to officials, as EastEnders ran reasonably close to time: 18:59-19:28.”
“Hopefully dullagj2 will know, but the lowest I could find was 3.9m. See these posts from 14 June, the day after EastEnders' very low rating on the Friday:
EastEnders on Friday 13 June 2014 increased by +0.68m to 4.65m in the officials, so it was the third-worst official rating since 2005 or earlier and, most likely, the third-worst ever. (But there is the omnibus issue to take into account, and that is further evidence right there - +0.68m is a very small increase* in historical terms for an early out-of-slot Friday episode clashing with Emmerdale).
* We don't know the true timeshift yet, but it's likely to be not far from the raw +0.68m increase from overnights to officials, as EastEnders ran reasonably close to time: 18:59-19:28.”
Oh, bang on queue?
13/06/14
- Overnight - 00:05 to 01:55 - 295k (5.9%)
- Official - 00:05 to 01:55 - 487k (6.2%), 426k (6.5%), 530k (11.9%) and 777k (21.0%) (in episode order)
Yeah think all that's fairly conclusive Neil. 3.9m looks like lowest ever like I thought not 3.6m as Samuel says it is.
Also - 4m target for EE tonight?! A massive blatant under prediction so when the numbers arrive tomorrow everyone can say how shocked they are it held up so well. I will eat my hat if EE is on 4m tomorrow morning.
And the target has come from an anonymous source at the BBC?! Yeah right....
Also - 4m target for EE tonight?! A massive blatant under prediction so when the numbers arrive tomorrow everyone can say how shocked they are it held up so well. I will eat my hat if EE is on 4m tomorrow morning.
And the target has come from an anonymous source at the BBC?! Yeah right....
Originally Posted by Roscoe Barnes:
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Also - 4m target for EE tonight?! A massive blatant under prediction so when the numbers arrive tomorrow everyone can say how shocked they are it held up so well. I will eat my hat if EE is on 4m tomorrow morning.
And the target has come from an anonymous source at the BBC?! Yeah right....”
“
Also - 4m target for EE tonight?! A massive blatant under prediction so when the numbers arrive tomorrow everyone can say how shocked they are it held up so well. I will eat my hat if EE is on 4m tomorrow morning.
And the target has come from an anonymous source at the BBC?! Yeah right....”
Those pesky canteen staff at the BBC!
Originally Posted by Rob1985:
“Those pesky canteen staff at the BBC!”
“Those pesky canteen staff at the BBC!”
Yes I think Samuel's source has more chance of being the window cleaner.
The BBC have set a target of 4m for the EastEnders, a bit like the 3m target ITV have set for DA this year.
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Everything about it was ghastly. I honestly think C5 should consider airing a formal apology on Friday night and promise not to air any further episodes. It's the least they can do.
itv has served up two of the biggest flops in the 17 year history of C5 as a network within the space of about 9 months. And that takes some doing because they served up a lot of shite around 1999-2001 especially.”
“Everything about it was ghastly. I honestly think C5 should consider airing a formal apology on Friday night and promise not to air any further episodes. It's the least they can do.
itv has served up two of the biggest flops in the 17 year history of C5 as a network within the space of about 9 months. And that takes some doing because they served up a lot of shite around 1999-2001 especially.”
I know something that would rate better, Big Brother Live
Originally Posted by hyperstarsponge:
“I know something that would rate better, Big Brother Live”
“I know something that would rate better, Big Brother Live
”
Sure, bring back Live From The House. This 30 minute snapshot of unedited house activity was at least performing respectably.
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Oh, bang on queue?
13/06/14
- Overnight - 00:05 to 01:55 - 295k (5.9%)
- Official - 00:05 to 01:55 - 487k (6.2%), 426k (6.5%), 530k (11.9%) and 777k (21.0%) (in episode order)”
“Oh, bang on queue?
13/06/14
- Overnight - 00:05 to 01:55 - 295k (5.9%)
- Official - 00:05 to 01:55 - 487k (6.2%), 426k (6.5%), 530k (11.9%) and 777k (21.0%) (in episode order)”
Thanks for the consolidated shares: they shed further light on the issue.
- Overnight - 00:05 to 01:55 - 295k / (5.9%) = 5.00m total TV audience
- Official - 00:05 to 01:55 - 487k (6.2%), 426k (6.5%), 530k (11.9%) and 777k (21.0%) (in episode order)
* consolidated omnibus average: approx 555k / (9.8%) = 5.64m total TV audience
So in the period from 2am Saturday 14 June to around 2am on Saturday 21 June there was about 640k worth of playback of programmes on all channels 'originally broadcast' in the period 12.05-1:55am on Saturday 14 June. How much of that was 'recording of the omnibus', and what subset of that was genuine recording of the omnibus? It's frustrating that we don't know for sure!
Originally Posted by C14E:
“After ABC's press note imploring reporters to wait for the timezone adjusted rating, it was still a 1.5!
This was the premiere though - that usually helps. And what's more concerning is that where AGT added 2m viewers across the 2 hours (in a slot announced only 5 days previously), Rising Star actually lost a few. There was no sign of growth. And now it will get blasted in the media.
I thought the scheduling might backfire on NBC but AGT really held up in the demo and Rising Star bombed big time. Even lower than Duets in 2012. So I guess credit to NBC.
In a way it's a disappointment - Israel and Rising Star was something quite exciting and got everyone talking in a way that hadn't been seen since The Voice. Going into the US so quickly and so unsuccessfully is going to burst that bubble in a massive way and may even impact on other versions (including the UK show).”
“After ABC's press note imploring reporters to wait for the timezone adjusted rating, it was still a 1.5!
This was the premiere though - that usually helps. And what's more concerning is that where AGT added 2m viewers across the 2 hours (in a slot announced only 5 days previously), Rising Star actually lost a few. There was no sign of growth. And now it will get blasted in the media.
I thought the scheduling might backfire on NBC but AGT really held up in the demo and Rising Star bombed big time. Even lower than Duets in 2012. So I guess credit to NBC.
In a way it's a disappointment - Israel and Rising Star was something quite exciting and got everyone talking in a way that hadn't been seen since The Voice. Going into the US so quickly and so unsuccessfully is going to burst that bubble in a massive way and may even impact on other versions (including the UK show).”
Technically, this wasn't the premiere. It was a timeslot premiere, but not the season premiere.
Rising Star bombed. Yes the timeslot was crap, but in fairness, the format restricted where it could be put in the schedules. When creating formats, you don't just have to think about the domestic appeal, but also the international appeal. In countries with multiple time zones (USA, Australia, China, Russia, Brazil etc...), it was always going to present problems, especially when the interactive vote is such an important part of the format.
The show itself last night was very slow; 3 acts in the first hour and a commercial break after every 6/7 minutes (I know US TV has loads of ads, but this was taking the pee). Josh Groban is a good host, but the panel (except Ludacris) were boring.
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“itv has served up two of the biggest flops in the 17 year history of C5 as a network within the space of about 9 months. And that takes some doing because they served up a lot of shite around 1999-2001 especially.”
“itv has served up two of the biggest flops in the 17 year history of C5 as a network within the space of about 9 months. And that takes some doing because they served up a lot of shite around 1999-2001 especially.”
What was the other Itv Studios show which was made for C5 last year? Ive forgotten. I think Itv Studios are deliberately making bad programs to sabotage C5s ratings. Surely anyone with a brain at Itv Studios could see what a shit program Stand By Your Man was?
Originally Posted by SamuelW:
“What was the other Itv Studios show which was made for C5 last year? Ive forgotten. I think Itv Studios are deliberately making bad programs to sabotage C5s ratings. Surely anyone with a brain at Itv Studios could see what a shit program Stand By Your Man was?”
“What was the other Itv Studios show which was made for C5 last year? Ive forgotten. I think Itv Studios are deliberately making bad programs to sabotage C5s ratings. Surely anyone with a brain at Itv Studios could see what a shit program Stand By Your Man was?”
But then people will lose faith in the studios and not commission anything from them resulting in a loss of money. ITV Studios didn't deliberately produce rubbish for Channel 5. They just succeeded anyway!
Originally Posted by jda135:
“Technically, this wasn't the premiere. It was a timeslot premiere, but not the season premiere.
Rising Star bombed. Yes the timeslot was crap, but in fairness, the format restricted where it could be put in the schedules. When creating formats, you don't just have to think about the domestic appeal, but also the international appeal. In countries with multiple time zones (USA, Australia, China, Russia, Brazil etc...), it was always going to present problems, especially when the interactive vote is such an important part of the format.
The show itself last night was very slow; 3 acts in the first hour and a commercial break after every 6/7 minutes (I know US TV has loads of ads, but this was taking the pee). Josh Groban is a good host, but the panel (except Ludacris) were boring.”
“Technically, this wasn't the premiere. It was a timeslot premiere, but not the season premiere.
Rising Star bombed. Yes the timeslot was crap, but in fairness, the format restricted where it could be put in the schedules. When creating formats, you don't just have to think about the domestic appeal, but also the international appeal. In countries with multiple time zones (USA, Australia, China, Russia, Brazil etc...), it was always going to present problems, especially when the interactive vote is such an important part of the format.
The show itself last night was very slow; 3 acts in the first hour and a commercial break after every 6/7 minutes (I know US TV has loads of ads, but this was taking the pee). Josh Groban is a good host, but the panel (except Ludacris) were boring.”
I was sent a copy of the first episode of Rising Star USA a couple of hours ago from my American informant and have just finished analysing the first episode. It was a dire couple of hours. The problem with the format is that it's singers one after another, each singer taking about 8mins overall. It got very repetitive, slow and boring. At least with something like TXF and the Voice, the first few episodes are pre-recorded auditions so the pacing is quite fast. You dont get singer after singer after singer [each one 8mins long] on TVuK or XF, theres little montages and so on in between all of that to quicken up the pace. There was none of that with Rising Star, making the show laboured.
In addition to that, the production values are restricted by the wall. Because of the wall, you cant really have the singers owning the stage because theres no stage or space for them to move around anyway. The prodcution values was poor, the contestants cant interact with the crowd as they can with the Voice. Also the judges seats looked amateurish, either have a table full of the judges like XF or proper chairs like the Voice's. Rising Star's looked cheap.
But most importantly, the gimmick itself of live voting was a bit boring really. It mightve been quite exciting for the first couple of contestants, but after that, it didnt really make a difference at all to the show. In fact, having a big bar on screen on the right just restricted the production value and made the show look a big cheap and dated.
Overall, the BBC has nothing to worry about with Rising Star being a potential threat. The Voice and the Midwives will deal with Rising Star with ultimate ease. Also when Itv promote Rising Star for weeks if not months before hand, there will be huge media interest and pressure on the show to be good right from the off. Inevitably the show will not live up to the hype [as with 99% of shows which are hugely hyped] and the press reaction will be very bad, mark my words.
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