Obviously BB will want England to lose as soon as possible 
I don't know what the interest will be ratings wise on matches that England don't play?
I don't know what the interest will be ratings wise on matches that England don't play?
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BGT probably right down the middle of where most of us expected. Not quite the 'swoosh big red breaking news' that SamuelW reported but still....
BGT imo, needs a standout act, something that gets international buzz etc, yes those 2 kids turned up on Ellen but there was no real buzz around.
Perhaps viewer fatigue, the schtick with Walliams is old, Holden is just generally unpopular and Cowell's routine is well...old and stage managed. He says something fairly on the mark and the audience in choreograph motion boo him and other judges dismiss him. Its effortlessly predictable.
I think they key thing is talent, Il Divo lite just won it. I've been managing to get through BGT shows in about 20 mins via PVR, its not must watch anymore, its more - oh thats on
BGT imo, needs a standout act, something that gets international buzz etc, yes those 2 kids turned up on Ellen but there was no real buzz around.
Perhaps viewer fatigue, the schtick with Walliams is old, Holden is just generally unpopular and Cowell's routine is well...old and stage managed. He says something fairly on the mark and the audience in choreograph motion boo him and other judges dismiss him. Its effortlessly predictable.
I think they key thing is talent, Il Divo lite just won it. I've been managing to get through BGT shows in about 20 mins via PVR, its not must watch anymore, its more - oh thats on
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“Indeed. Once you take into consideration the audience share for C5, things really aren't as dire as some might suggest. If BB was on BBC1 or ITV and had 900K then it would be disastrous, but it isn't. It is serving the audience who want to watch it well and is keeping C5's overall share at an acceptable level.”
“Indeed. Once you take into consideration the audience share for C5, things really aren't as dire as some might suggest. If BB was on BBC1 or ITV and had 900K then it would be disastrous, but it isn't. It is serving the audience who want to watch it well and is keeping C5's overall share at an acceptable level.”
Radio 3 probably gets a bigger audience and costs far less.
When C5 signed up for BB weren't they seeking around 2m a night, advertisers will no doubt claw back money from the station due to the ratings not being as predicted.
Originally Posted by i4u:
“So you predict it will bounce back to 1.4 - 1.5m tonight, interesting.”
“So you predict it will bounce back to 1.4 - 1.5m tonight, interesting.”
Yes that is my prediction
Britain's Got Talent rated exactly as expected. Not sure what else there is to say, except the judges should be changed next year to try and manage the year on year decline.
Originally Posted by i4u:
“Radio 3 probably gets a bigger audience and costs far less.
When C5 signed up for BB weren't they seeking around 2m a night, advertisers will no doubt claw back money from the station due to the ratings not being as predicted.”
“Radio 3 probably gets a bigger audience and costs far less.
When C5 signed up for BB weren't they seeking around 2m a night, advertisers will no doubt claw back money from the station due to the ratings not being as predicted.”
That was three years ago and nobody knows what Channel 5's expectation are for this series.
Originally Posted by i4u:
“Radio 3 probably gets a bigger audience and costs far less.
When C5 signed up for BB weren't they seeking around 2m a night, advertisers will no doubt claw back money from the station due to the ratings not being as predicted.”
“Radio 3 probably gets a bigger audience and costs far less.
When C5 signed up for BB weren't they seeking around 2m a night, advertisers will no doubt claw back money from the station due to the ratings not being as predicted.”
I always thought advertisers paid based on overall audience share, and a bit more for higher rating shows based on that initial share? Which is why it costs considerably more to advertise on ITV because their overall reach is greater and is why it's more serious when ITV have a rating below the expected share? Surely C5's audience share is stable enough not to concern advertisers because the overall average will balance it out?
Originally Posted by WelshNige:
“To put a negative spin on a show that had over 50% audience share is, quite frankly, ludicrous.”
“To put a negative spin on a show that had over 50% audience share is, quite frankly, ludicrous.”
But it only got 51.3%! Should have been at least 70%!
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Thanks, not shabby numbers at all for the football, still a good 5 million watching a midnight. The News rating at 01:00 is probably higher than the majority of their daytime line-up on Saturday too!”
“Thanks, not shabby numbers at all for the football, still a good 5 million watching a midnight. The News rating at 01:00 is probably higher than the majority of their daytime line-up on Saturday too!”
Speaking of which, anybody know how the Ladies French Open final did? I presume badly.
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“Largely because it's incredibly boring once the auditions are over. I stop watching.”
“Largely because it's incredibly boring once the auditions are over. I stop watching.”
It is the strangest format. A really popular start then viewers tune out and don't return for the final.
Originally Posted by i4u:
“Radio 3 probably gets a bigger audience and costs far less.
When C5 signed up for BB weren't they seeking around 2m a night, advertisers will no doubt claw back money from the station due to the ratings not being as predicted.”
“Radio 3 probably gets a bigger audience and costs far less.
When C5 signed up for BB weren't they seeking around 2m a night, advertisers will no doubt claw back money from the station due to the ratings not being as predicted.”
The Radio 3 audience is tiny and costs ba fortune to run. They should have axed that instead of BBC3.
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“The Radio 3 audience is tiny and costs ba fortune to run. They should have axed that instead of BBC3.”
“The Radio 3 audience is tiny and costs ba fortune to run. They should have axed that instead of BBC3.”
BBC Radio 1 Xtra should be axed too. These minority audiences can be better served by making the content accessible to a wider audience. There's no reason why content from 1Xtra can't have two one hour shows a week on Radio 1. Content from Radio 3 can be served as a Sunday afternoon show on Radio 4. The BBC seem to have this idea that as long as the minority are served, the majority can suffer. They have enough output to ensure everyone is catered for. BBC3 should remain. There's a big difference to catering for a tiny few who like listening to classical music 24/7 or hardcore hiphop than there is catering for a whole age demographic.
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“It is the strangest format. A really popular start then viewers tune out and don't return for the final.”
“It is the strangest format. A really popular start then viewers tune out and don't return for the final.”
The gimmick just wears off I think. The auditions are good but once the big spinning chairs go, the show really isn't much different from The X Factor and BGT which the original judges and hosts spent some time talking about negatively. The only difference to me is the show isn't produced as well and there are less live shows because the audience doesn't keep with it.
Originally Posted by SamuelW:
“The Voice isnt boring. .”
“The Voice isnt boring. .”
Millions would disagree. Although the past series was an improvement it still has the air of your Gran dancing to Pharrel Williams 'Happy' at a wedding
I can see BOTS being moved off the main channel soon in any cause, Could maybe work as a BBLB type show at 18:00 to 18:30 on a weekday on Five Star. I don't expect good ratings for it and they better off sticking a film on Channel 5 in that slot.
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“More data needed. Obviously if the whole series were to be down this much from here on in then it's not looking good for BB but if it is going to crash I'd rather it be this year with the contract up for renewal as it puts C5 in a very strong position when it comes to renegotiating.”
“More data needed. Obviously if the whole series were to be down this much from here on in then it's not looking good for BB but if it is going to crash I'd rather it be this year with the contract up for renewal as it puts C5 in a very strong position when it comes to renegotiating.”
yeah that's what we want crappy ch.5 killing more BB
Originally Posted by Hollie_Louise:
“The gimmick just wears off I think. The auditions are good but once the big spinning chairs go, the show really isn't much different from The X Factor and BGT which the original judges and hosts spent some time talking about negatively. The only difference to me is the show isn't produced as well and there are less live shows because the audience doesn't keep with it.”
“The gimmick just wears off I think. The auditions are good but once the big spinning chairs go, the show really isn't much different from The X Factor and BGT which the original judges and hosts spent some time talking about negatively. The only difference to me is the show isn't produced as well and there are less live shows because the audience doesn't keep with it.”
The big difference is that viewers simply don't care about the contestants on The Voice. There's no chance for contestants to "sell" themselves to the viewers at home. I don't know the answer but if the viewers don't even get chance to engage with the people they're expected to vote for later on, then why bother? At least with XF and BGT, there is more after thought on the contestants that is virtually non existent on The Voice.
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“The big difference is that viewers simply don't care about the contestants on The Voice. There's no chance for contestants to "sell" themselves to the viewers at home. I don't know the answer but if the viewers don't even get chance to engage with the people they're expected to vote for later on, then why bother? At least with XF and BGT, there is more after thought on the contestants that is virtually non existent on The Voice.”
“The big difference is that viewers simply don't care about the contestants on The Voice. There's no chance for contestants to "sell" themselves to the viewers at home. I don't know the answer but if the viewers don't even get chance to engage with the people they're expected to vote for later on, then why bother? At least with XF and BGT, there is more after thought on the contestants that is virtually non existent on The Voice.”
I agree but then you will only see the winner of BGT perform three times in their audition, their semi and the final and it still manages 10m+ and a 51% share (overnights) whilst the latest Voice final only got 7.15m and a 30.7% share (officials).
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“The big difference is that viewers simply don't care about the contestants on The Voice. There's no chance for contestants to "sell" themselves to the viewers at home. I don't know the answer but if the viewers don't even get chance to engage with the people they're expected to vote for later on, then why bother? At least with XF and BGT, there is more after thought on the contestants that is virtually non existent on The Voice.”
“The big difference is that viewers simply don't care about the contestants on The Voice. There's no chance for contestants to "sell" themselves to the viewers at home. I don't know the answer but if the viewers don't even get chance to engage with the people they're expected to vote for later on, then why bother? At least with XF and BGT, there is more after thought on the contestants that is virtually non existent on The Voice.”
To counter that, lots of people complain about the sob story side of XF and we did see a bit of that creep into the Voice last year and it was received fairly negatively.
Its a difficult balancing act for the BBC. Show the acts life and you get criticised for sob stories, don't show it and you've got nothing for the audience at home to engage with.
But of course its not about the Voice beyond the blind stage. Its about who fits into the Coaches team and of course, the look.
Originally Posted by Hollie_Louise:
“The gimmick just wears off I think. The auditions are good but once the big spinning chairs go, the show really isn't much different from The X Factor and BGT which the original judges and hosts spent some time talking about negatively. The only difference to me is the show isn't produced as well and there are less live shows because the audience doesn't keep with it.”
“The gimmick just wears off I think. The auditions are good but once the big spinning chairs go, the show really isn't much different from The X Factor and BGT which the original judges and hosts spent some time talking about negatively. The only difference to me is the show isn't produced as well and there are less live shows because the audience doesn't keep with it.”
I like watching The Voice but once the blind audition rounds end, the programme lacks that extra something when it goes live. For all of The X Factor's faults the final always seems like a a big deal unlike The Voice final.
The Voice does enough for BBC1's whole evening but it will never reach series 1 highs again.
The Voice is a load of codswallop. The only talent show not to produce any success and three rigged winners.
Ever thought the reality TV bubble is bursting?
As for BBC saving money - why not scrap Asian Network? Surely integeration is the key?
Ever thought the reality TV bubble is bursting?
As for BBC saving money - why not scrap Asian Network? Surely integeration is the key?
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“The Radio 3 audience is tiny and costs ba fortune to run. They should have axed that instead of BBC3.”
“The Radio 3 audience is tiny and costs ba fortune to run. They should have axed that instead of BBC3.”
Radio Three costs around half of what BBC Three costs, and it would not release any reusable DTT broadcast spectrum
Radio Three - £38.3m content, £5.3m distribution, and £10.7m infrastructure support
BBC Three - £89.7m content, £4.6m distribution, and £27.4m infrastructure support
http://www.bbc.co.uk/annualreport/20...penditure.html
Originally Posted by Neil_N:
“The Voice is a load of codswallop. The only talent show not to produce any success and three rigged winners.
Ever thought the reality TV bubble is bursting?
As for BBC saving money - why not scrap Asian Network? Surely integeration is the key?”
“The Voice is a load of codswallop. The only talent show not to produce any success and three rigged winners.
Ever thought the reality TV bubble is bursting?
As for BBC saving money - why not scrap Asian Network? Surely integeration is the key?”
They were going to axe Asian Network. But then chickened out!
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“They were going to axe Asian Network. But then chickened out!”
“They were going to axe Asian Network. But then chickened out!”
Probably didnt want to get accused of racism. I just dont believe in labelling
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“H, you complain about Samuel spinning things, yet here you've created a Samuelesque post stating the obvious as if there is some kind of tsunami of talent shows across the spectrum and BGT is a triumph! There have been 2 haven't there? The Voice was respectable enough and was never going to beat BGT anyway, and BGT where predictability and the lack of anything else to watch meant it had another decent year. That's about it!”
“H, you complain about Samuel spinning things, yet here you've created a Samuelesque post stating the obvious as if there is some kind of tsunami of talent shows across the spectrum and BGT is a triumph! There have been 2 haven't there? The Voice was respectable enough and was never going to beat BGT anyway, and BGT where predictability and the lack of anything else to watch meant it had another decent year. That's about it!”
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“This thread has never just been a ratings only thread. If it were we'd only be on part 3. What an incredibly dull and meaningless thread it would be if someone just posted ratings everyday and that was all!”
“This thread has never just been a ratings only thread. If it were we'd only be on part 3. What an incredibly dull and meaningless thread it would be if someone just posted ratings everyday and that was all!”
I agree with both of those wizzy. BGT being the top talent show of the year could have been posted on January 1st.
There are far more ratings posted and ratings discussion in here than ever. Quite why someone who dislikes this thread wants to come in here just to moan I dont know.
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“I like watching The Voice but once the blind audition rounds end, the programme lacks that extra something when it goes live. For all of The X Factor's faults the final always seems like a a big deal unlike The Voice final.
The Voice does enough for BBC1's whole evening but it will never reach series 1 highs again.”
“I like watching The Voice but once the blind audition rounds end, the programme lacks that extra something when it goes live. For all of The X Factor's faults the final always seems like a a big deal unlike The Voice final.
The Voice does enough for BBC1's whole evening but it will never reach series 1 highs again.”
I think it's a successful show for BBC1 but it's hit it's peak IMO and I don't see it hitting a new one anytime soon. The way they do the final is strange, kind of like "yes you're the winner now go and sing your song so we can wrap it up".
They do find very talented singers, but I don't think it's a show that warrants a recording contract as the prize. A Stars In Their Eyes type show with a cash prize for the winner would work as a show but by offering that record contract, it gives viewers a feeling the winner should be selling albums after it, which obviously none of the winners have done so far, which impacts on how the show does IMO.
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