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Can Metallica help rock music.
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ags_rule
05-06-2014
This thread presumes rock music needs helping, when in reality, live attendance and album sales for rock artists have been steadily increasing year-on-year - Metallica are at a zenith of popularity they haven't been at since the early 90s, Black Sabbath scored a number 1 album on both sides of the Atlantic after a 30 year hiatus and Avenged Sevenfold are doing a good job of flying the flag for new bands with the same feat.

I suspect a better question would be will Metallica's Glastonbury appearance have any effect on the mainstream perception of rock/metal, to which I'd have to answer no. Not because Metallica won't steal the show at Glastonbury, and not because they won't experience the usual post-Glastonbury surge in album sales, but simply because the likes of Radio 1 are not for changing.
mgvsmith
05-06-2014
Originally Posted by ags_rule:
“This thread presumes rock music needs helping, when in reality, live attendance and album sales for rock artists have been steadily increasing year-on-year - Metallica are at a zenith of popularity they haven't been at since the early 90s, Black Sabbath scored a number 1 album on both sides of the Atlantic after a 30 year hiatus and Avenged Sevenfold are doing a good job of flying the flag for new bands with the same feat.

I suspect a better question would be will Metallica's Glastonbury appearance have any effect on the mainstream perception of rock/metal, to which I'd have to answer no. Not because Metallica won't steal the show at Glastonbury, and not because they won't experience the usual post-Glastonbury surge in album sales, but simply because the likes of Radio 1 are not for changing.”

There's a rumour that Radio 1 are going to put out a new Rock Show after the Chart show, so some things do change it seems.
Electra
05-06-2014
Originally Posted by mgvsmith:
“There's a rumour that Radio 1 are going to put out a new Rock Show after the Chart show, so some things do change it seems.”

It's only a couple of years since they cancelled Bruce Dickinson's show. Are they regretting it already?
Pob-Bundy
05-06-2014
Well apparently Nick Grimshaw will be noshing along to Metallica at Glasto so that will bring in a whole new crowd to their music......
Electra
05-06-2014
Originally Posted by Pob-Bundy:
“Well apparently Nick Grimshaw will be noshing along to Metallica at Glasto so that will bring in a whole new crowd to their music......”

Who will he be noshing?
Pob-Bundy
05-06-2014
Originally Posted by Electra:
“Who will he be noshing? ”


Frankly I wouldn't want to know! But that must be what he meant as opposed to Moshing lol, someone mis-heard him I'll bet. It would play out like a really dark Chris Morris type sketch, Metallica unable to unsee what they have witnessed and descend into madness by trying to eat their guitars and drums then each of them attempting to climb into James Hetfields spiked left boot.
barbeler
06-06-2014
I think there's a danger of a big protest by Greenpeace, due to Hetfield's fondness for shooting bears. As Greenpeace have always been of the greatest beneficiaries of the festival it could throw some weight.
DRAGON LANCE
06-06-2014
I still fondly remember the time when Gwimmy had Zane Lowe on his show to announce Radio 1 Rock Week. "Do you like a bit of Rock Grimmy?" says Zane.

"NOOOOOOOOOOooooooOOOOOO!!!!" Squeals Gwimmy in absolute terror at the suggestion.

Yes I could therefore imagine him doing a bit of "noshing" to Metallica .

Anyway I kinda like Metallica, but then I like Greenpeace too, but which is best? There's only one way to find out-FIGHT!!!
shackfan
06-06-2014
Originally Posted by mgvsmith:
“There's a rumour that Radio 1 are going to put out a new Rock Show after the Chart show, so some things do change it seems.”

Shame it can't be on in the middle of the day. I know what the OP means. Yes album sales are great ( 3 Led Zeppelin albums in the midweek top 10!!!) and so are ticket sales for live shows, BUT it needs to be played more during the day by the likes of Radio 1. There are plenty of teens into it but the last time it was played regularly during the day was probably during the Nu Metal era around 2000/20002 when Papa Roach, Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park and the likes would often be heard and often charted.
Enough of the horrible house music and bland singers.
Pontin64
06-06-2014
Personally I think it will be hard to revive the rock/metal scene especially from its peak in the late 80s/90s which opened up some many new doors for all the sub genres.

However the scene is definitely not dead, its just a shame it doesn't get as much limelight as it deserves!
Glawster2002
06-06-2014
Originally Posted by Electra:
“It's only a couple of years since they cancelled Bruce Dickinson's show. Are they regretting it already?”

Something I don't think Bruce will ever forgive them for, especially as it was the most listened to show on 6 Music at the time!

I've listened to Daniel P Carter's Rock Show a couple of times and it is awful. It seems to concentrate on a very narrow range of screamy teenage bands and certainly doesn't reflect the wide range of genres Hard Rock/Heavy Metal encompasses.
Glawster2002
06-06-2014
Originally Posted by Pontin64:
“Personally I think it will be hard to revive the rock/metal scene especially from its peak in the late 80s/90s which opened up some many new doors for all the sub genres.

However the scene is definitely not dead, its just a shame it doesn't get as much limelight as it deserves!”

I'm not sure what you mean by its "peak". In the late 80s/early 90s there was only one real Rock Festival, Monsters of Rock, which died a death in the mid-90s, and yet today there is Download, Sonisphere, Bloodstock, plus a myriad of smaller ones, plus all the European Festivals.

As someone who grew up listning to what was then called Hard Rock in the 1970s I would say the "scene" today is more dynamic and vibrant than it has been for a very long time with bands like Avenged Sevenfold, Black Stone Cherry, Alter Bridge, etc, finally stepping up to be the headliners of the future.

The one downside to the harder end of the Rock spectrum is that it is still too over-reliant on the bands of the past to headline today's festivals.
TheTruth1983
06-06-2014
Rock doesn't need saving, thank you very much. Just because it is not in the charts or on mainstream radio does not mean in is unpopular or that that rock scene is not thriving. It is thriving and frankly I would rather keep it out of the charts and off mainstream radio.
mattlamb
06-06-2014
Originally Posted by Glawster2002:
“Something I don't think Bruce will ever forgive them for, especially as it was the most listened to show on 6 Music at the time!

I've listened to Daniel P Carter's Rock Show a couple of times and it is awful. It seems to concentrate on a very narrow range of screamy teenage bands and certainly doesn't reflect the wide range of genres Hard Rock/Heavy Metal encompasses.”

It doesn't concentrate on those type of bands.
He often plays songs from Metallica, Linkin Park, and many other other band that are totally separate from that scene (I assume you mean Bring me the Horizon, Architects, Asking Alexandria, type groups - their popularity is huge at the moment).
Electra
06-06-2014
Originally Posted by mattlamb:
“It doesn't concentrate on those type of bands.
He often plays songs from Metallica, Linkin Park, and many other other band that are totally separate from that scene (I assume you mean Bring me the Horizon, Architects, Asking Alexandria, type groups - their popularity is huge at the moment).”

F*cking depressing, isn't it?
CerealKiller
06-06-2014
Originally Posted by ags_rule:
“This thread presumes rock music needs helping, when in reality, live attendance and album sales for rock artists have been steadily increasing year-on-year - Metallica are at a zenith of popularity they haven't been at since the early 90s, Black Sabbath scored a number 1 album on both sides of the Atlantic after a 30 year hiatus and Avenged Sevenfold are doing a good job of flying the flag for new bands with the same feat.

I suspect a better question would be will Metallica's Glastonbury appearance have any effect on the mainstream perception of rock/metal, to which I'd have to answer no. Not because Metallica won't steal the show at Glastonbury, and not because they won't experience the usual post-Glastonbury surge in album sales, but simply because the likes of Radio 1 are not for changing.”

We don't need Radio 1, we have Planet Rock
mgvsmith
06-06-2014
Originally Posted by Glawster2002:
“I'm not sure what you mean by its "peak". In the late 80s/early 90s there was only one real Rock Festival, Monsters of Rock, which died a death in the mid-90s, and yet today there is Download, Sonisphere, Bloodstock, plus a myriad of smaller ones, plus all the European Festivals.

As someone who grew up listning to what was then called Hard Rock in the 1970s I would say the "scene" today is more dynamic and vibrant than it has been for a very long time with bands like Avenged Sevenfold, Black Stone Cherry, Alter Bridge, etc, finally stepping up to be the headliners of the future.

The one downside to the harder end of the Rock spectrum is that it is still too over-reliant on the bands of the past to headline today's festivals.”

i think you are right about how popular rock music is and that is reflected in the number of festivals etc. However, I listened to 'hard rock' (and some prog unfortunately) during the early 70s and it wasn't just a vibrant scene but music that helped define what was authentic and credible in music - 'Zepp 4', 'Who's Next', 'Paranoid', 'Dark Side', 'Live at Leeds'….etc.

I just think that the lack of mainstream presence will mean that you won't get rock music that will ever sit as high in the pop firmament as those above plus 'Reign in Blood', 'Back in Black', 'Appetite for Destruction', 'Nevermind'…but maybe you will or does that matter?
dodger0703
06-06-2014
I think there are too many genres of rock/metal for it ever to become mainstream again. Plus there are rock/metal snobs who slag off any band who even get a whiff of mainstream popularity
Glawster2002
07-06-2014
Originally Posted by mgvsmith:
“i think you are right about how popular rock music is and that is reflected in the number of festivals etc. However, I listened to 'hard rock' (and some prog unfortunately) during the early 70s and it wasn't just a vibrant scene but music that helped define what was authentic and credible in music - 'Zepp 4', 'Who's Next', 'Paranoid', 'Dark Side', 'Live at Leeds'….etc.

I just think that the lack of mainstream presence will mean that you won't get rock music that will ever sit as high in the pop firmament as those above plus 'Reign in Blood', 'Back in Black', 'Appetite for Destruction', 'Nevermind'…but maybe you will or does that matter?”

To be honest I don't think it does matter.

Originally Posted by dodger0703:
“I think there are too many genres of rock/metal for it ever to become mainstream again. Plus there are rock/metal snobs who slag off any band who even get a whiff of mainstream popularity”

That is just as true for every other genre.
barrcode88
07-06-2014
Originally Posted by dodger0703:
“I think there are too many genres of rock/metal for it ever to become mainstream again. Plus there are rock/metal snobs who slag off any band who even get a whiff of mainstream popularity”

The same as ANY other genre, and mainly because they always forget their roots when that happens.
Apollo Creed
07-06-2014
Originally Posted by RikScot:
“I suspect they're having a laugh...I don't think either band is gonna steal any of the other's audience.

Not that it would matter....”

Mogwai say the stuff they do for the craic. It's a bit like when Noel Gallagher slags everything off. I actually enjoy acts who come out and amusingly take the piss out of other bands even if I like them

Glastonbury will be good for Metallica in terms of a sales boost. Everyone who headlines Glastonbury sees a surge in sales. Don't be surprised to see a few of their classic albums get back into the charts after the festival. I'll be seeing a bit of them with a few mates and then heading off to see Mogwai who start about an hour later
barbeler
07-06-2014
Originally Posted by Apollo Creed:
“I'll be seeing a bit of them with a few mates and then heading off to see Mogwai who start about an hour later”

I thought I read that Mogwai were on at the same time.
Apollo Creed
08-06-2014
Originally Posted by barbeler:
“I thought I read that Mogwai were on at the same time.”

They are headlining another stage but they start an hour later
Rae_Amury
08-06-2014
Originally Posted by shackfan:
“Shame it can't be on in the middle of the day. I know what the OP means. Yes album sales are great ( 3 Led Zeppelin albums in the midweek top 10!!!) and so are ticket sales for live shows, BUT it needs to be played more during the day by the likes of Radio 1. There are plenty of teens into it but the last time it was played regularly during the day was probably during the Nu Metal era around 2000/20002 when Papa Roach, Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park and the likes would often be heard and often charted.
Enough of the horrible house music and bland singers.”

Don't forget about the garage rock revival in the early 00s. Music, just like fashion, goes round in circles and I'm sure that rock will return to singles charts in some form (not that it's needed, rock is doing very well outside the mainstream). I just hope it will be better than that nu metal stuff.
Simon Rodgers
08-06-2014
Metallica are quite good by anyone's standards. People who slag them off haven't really heard them. Therefore they would be good to promote rock music.

Given previous years in Eurovision, maybe they should give that a try! Seriously!
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