Yes, that makes them about the same. They are not wildly different – and as already discussed if one is more powerful or not does not matter - ee are discussing the price of the handset and why someone seems to believe that Apple users don’t upgrade their handsets due to costs.

So it’s notthingt to do with what is the latest spec, what is the largest, what is fastest, which is cooler – it’s about are they of similar price. And the answer is yes.

Why would they start competing on price? They don’t with Macs.

If latest estimated sales figures are correct, I cannot see Apple changing their pricing strategy soon.

What are IOS tabs? My iPad doesn't do what you are saying.

I will agree with you that google much prefer you to use the web, it's where their data collecting, money generating skills are at there best.

You must have a very weird view of value and cost in normal life Al if you think up to £100 is almost the same, most perplexing indeed.

What is your obsession with spec and speed, that has nothing to do with generation of phones

Any recently released phone will carry a premium for a few months such as the m8, s5, z2, comparing them against an almost year old phone does not give an accurate reflection of true pricing.

Very surprised an intelligent man such as yourself is unable to grasp this very simple principle Al.

We shall see how much the s5 is in 4 months in comparison to the iphone 6 shall we and see what the true reflection of prices are

With all due respect Swordman, I don't mean to go against you here as I do agree with what you say. However with the likes of the Note 4 due in September, there will no doubt be a drop in price with the S5. Needless to say it will be interesting to see pricing

Feel free to disagree away sir

Note 4 slightly different market though.

Nah, it is a birds of a feather thing ain't it?


edit at 20:40 ( it was a dated Starbucks reply which is not on prior page). Starbucks and Apple happen to operate similar tax avoidance schemes.

i would say not

I thought they also cut down some the crashing by freezing browser tabs more. And the crashing still happens but by freezing tabs you get less of it. Yet the frozen browser tabs are in fact closed, in that they need to be reloaded when you return to them.

It does look like I'm seeing a reload on a couple of pages, but it happens so fast I didn't even notice.

I'm really not seeing any crashes though, so in my experience the issue is fixed.

It's also worth noting that the 'IOS tabs' issue is an issue with Safari not with IOS. I usually use a different browser and don't have this problem, so it isn't an iOS problem at all.

Which browser is that? On IOS there is only webkit. As far as I know it is the very same memory control trick that kills your background apps too.

I use dolphin. What you know and what is right are two very different things.

Actually I'm still on Windows XP becsuse in my opinion it's still the best OS ever brought out for the PC. I like it, it works and it does what I want it to do so why change for sake of it? I refuse to buy into the hype that just because something happens to be updated I don't wee myself about how great it is and how I MUST have the latest version right now. Newer isn't always better. If something isn't broke why fix it? In my personal experience with software they tend to get to a stage where they perfect something then after that they just keep messing and adding stuff that you don't really need in order to keep selling more. I don't blame em cos that's business but often they take things away and replace them with something more complicated and bloated or add features which I don't really need.

ICS does everything that my wife's S4 does running JB except it doesn't come with all the bloaty apps and gimmicks which I will never use cleverly disguised as improvements but are actually designed to get to to sign up and pay for more content. It has a more simplified look and feel which personally I prefer.

I don't get this constant need for change every few months mainly just to add a load of pointless gimmicks and take away more functionality. You say that Kit Kat is more secure but in all the years of running Android never have I once experienced any problems with viruses, malware or identity theft. If anything it seems like Google who are the ones wanting more and more control of what we can and can't do on our own handsets and trying force people into using their software and trying to I corporate Google+ into absolutely everything.

Well, on IOS Dolphin is a browser skin for Apple's basic Webkit. (Only Safari only gets to use the faster turbo feature)
I try not to mislead.
And look, Dolphin is rated as bad as Safari here.
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthre...1740454&page=2
The Apple forum discussion on IOS crashing, including web crashing likely runs to 100's of pages
edit - one of many
https://discussions.apple.com/thread...=1710&tstart=0

Seems it hates ebay the most, though I half wonder if a weekly hardware reset cures some IOS ills?

Also, if you do not have the new 64 bit devices you are likely lucky. I bet they are worse, especially with no increase in RAM to offset the 64 bit overhead.

It's called evolution. Without it, you wouldn't even have your beloved xp or ics. And xp is FAR from perfect!

For the purposes of what was being discussed of course it does. It was mentioned that Apple users don't upgrade their phones often as they are too expensive to upgrade and that Android owners upgrade more often as the phones are much cheaper . That's not borne out with facts.

You are the one who is going on, and on about specs and trying to compare different generations of phones when that is of no interest to what is being discussed.

Wow, 1700 posts over 4 years. Sounds like a real problem

Couldn't tell you about ebay, I use the app.

And we have 3 iPad Air's. The 64 bit devices are fine thanks, very fast with the odd old app crashing.

I'm surprised you have to rely on third party claims, I thought you own an iPad?

I think this is in spirit with that.
http://www.theguardian.com/technolog...s-google-apple

I wonder if that Arthur guy could tell us what he was smoking at the time.

No you are the one going on about updates etc I never mentioned them, I merely pointed out to you that iphones are more expensive that Android phones when you claimed they weren't.

I again have mentioned nothing at all about specs in any way, having a level playing field when comparing things is quite right and is nothing to do with specs. Specs would only be an issue when factoring in why there is a difference in the prices.

As it stands iphones are more expensive than the latest android phones (always have been) more so when you correctly apply the correct corresponding generations of phones.

Flagship phones from major Android manufacturers are more expensive than those from say Oneplus. That would not be a question of spec or updates a simple fact, same with iphones.

I fail to see why this is causing you such difficulty

But surely that's because Samsung have a history of reducing the price of phone whereas Apple doesn't. As they have different release cycles isn't it alway the case that one will be newer than another,

For example, on the O2 website a Galaxy S4 is £409 and an iPhone 5c is £359.

Although this relevance is going to be skewed by the number of people who are on contract, of course.

Where am I going with this? I don't know.

Well you have to correctly apply the right generation of phone against each other and you also have to apply it to the right level of phone in order to be truly representative.

The s4 and and the 5c are not even in the same country let alone ball park

However as mentioned I have not given or argued any reasons why there is a difference or whether justified or not (as Al keeps claiming) I merely pinted out there is.

I don't have the knowledge to comment. In my ignorance I just chose two phone of (possibly) the same age.

Although I still maintain that you chose a phone (of whatever flavour) that suits your purpose at the time and can only repeat that I didn't see there is a lot of negativity towards Android, unless by Apple fans, when the reverse is also true.

I'm all up for improvements. I just don't see the point in being forced to update to a system when my current OS already aweves me well and I'm happy with it especially when such upgrades take things away which I've become happy with. The file system on newer operating systems ate far more faffy than mu current one and they've taken away certain features which I would have been happy to keep.