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So in your world something that costs nearly 15% less is "around the same price" absolutely ludicrous. Not to mention the newer generation samsung is cheaper than last years older iphone which you conviniently claim is not relevant, again laughable in the extreme. The ability to buy a more technologically more advanced handset for £60 less is "about the same"By the way http://www.clove.co.uk/samsung-galaxy-s5 £460.00 here ![]() It beggars belief what you actually think a difference in price is, what nonsense ![]() So it’s notthingt to do with what is the latest spec, what is the largest, what is fastest, which is cooler – it’s about are they of similar price. And the answer is yes. |
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Logically there should be some future tipping point where Apple ends up competing on price. The 5c more than hints at it fr the future, but obviously price competition is seen as not needed.
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Why would they start competing on price? They don’t with Macs.
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They improved it a bit more since.
IOS tabs are more often not really open so that when you return to a tab, you have to reload the whole page c/w ensuing problems relative to what you are doing. It may to be down to the fact that IOS was simply not a multi-tasking system at inception, and is now getting round that using memory bodge tactics. Remember, apps are priority and the web still hinders Apple in its monopolization of profits, quite the opposite of Google Android. There is little technical appreciation of IOS, the marketing makes it all a perception. That continual 'but give me evidence manta' from Kidspud, sadly is part of that perception marketing/FUD . Android is not perfect, but at least there is a choice of web engine to get what you want. I will agree with you that google much prefer you to use the web, it's where their data collecting, money generating skills are at there best. |
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Yes, that makes them about the same. They are not wildly different – and as already discussed if one is more powerful or not does not matter - ee are discussing the price of the handset and why someone seems to believe that Apple users don’t upgrade their handsets due to costs.
So it’s notthingt to do with what is the latest spec, what is the largest, what is fastest, which is cooler – it’s about are they of similar price. And the answer is yes. What is your obsession with spec and speed, that has nothing to do with generation of phones ![]() Any recently released phone will carry a premium for a few months such as the m8, s5, z2, comparing them against an almost year old phone does not give an accurate reflection of true pricing. Very surprised an intelligent man such as yourself is unable to grasp this very simple principle Al. We shall see how much the s5 is in 4 months in comparison to the iphone 6 shall we and see what the true reflection of prices are
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We shall see how much the s5 is in 4 months in comparison to the iphone 6 shall we and see what the true reflection of prices are
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Feel free to disagree away sir
![]() Note 4 slightly different market though. |
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Nah, it is a birds of a feather thing ain't it?
edit at 20:40 ( it was a dated Starbucks reply which is not on prior page). Starbucks and Apple happen to operate similar tax avoidance schemes. |
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i would say not
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I had Safari crash a couple of times on the first version of iOS 7, but not on the most recent 3 updates. That problem was fixed ages ago in my experience. It's never happened to me on the current version.
I didn't realise that's what AlanWarwick was referring to. That's a bug from months ago which was fixed. |
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I thought they also cut down some the crashing by freezing browser tabs more. And the crashing still happens but by freezing tabs you get less of it. Yet the frozen browser tabs are in fact closed, in that they need to be reloaded when you return to them.
I'm really not seeing any crashes though, so in my experience the issue is fixed. |
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It does look like I'm seeing a reload on a couple of pages, but it happens so fast I didn't even notice.
I'm really not seeing any crashes though, so in my experience the issue is fixed. |
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It's also worth noting that the 'IOS tabs' issue is an issue with Safari not with IOS. I usually use a different browser and don't have this problem, so it isn't an iOS problem at all.
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Which browser is that? On IOS there is only webkit. As far as I know it is the very same memory control trick that kills your background apps too.
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OK I'll bite.
Why do you think i'm is better than kk when it clearly isn't ![]() ICS while an improvement on GB is a stuttery, dated mess compared with kk. Kitkat runs better on lower hardware, another, is more secure, better looking, has more features and is just better in every demonstrable way. I bet you wish we were still using windows 3.11? ICS does everything that my wife's S4 does running JB except it doesn't come with all the bloaty apps and gimmicks which I will never use cleverly disguised as improvements but are actually designed to get to to sign up and pay for more content. It has a more simplified look and feel which personally I prefer. I don't get this constant need for change every few months mainly just to add a load of pointless gimmicks and take away more functionality. You say that Kit Kat is more secure but in all the years of running Android never have I once experienced any problems with viruses, malware or identity theft. If anything it seems like Google who are the ones wanting more and more control of what we can and can't do on our own handsets and trying force people into using their software and trying to I corporate Google+ into absolutely everything. |
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I use dolphin. What you know and what is right are two very different things.
![]() I try not to mislead. And look, Dolphin is rated as bad as Safari here. http://forums.macrumors.com/showthre...1740454&page=2 The Apple forum discussion on IOS crashing, including web crashing likely runs to 100's of pages edit - one of many https://discussions.apple.com/thread...=1710&tstart=0 Seems it hates ebay the most, though I half wonder if a weekly hardware reset cures some IOS ills? Also, if you do not have the new 64 bit devices you are likely lucky. I bet they are worse, especially with no increase in RAM to offset the 64 bit overhead. |
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I don't get this constant need for change every few months mainly just to add a load of pointless gimmicks and take away more functionality. You say that Kit Kate is more secure but in all the years of running Android never have I once experienced any problems with viruses, malware or identity theft. If anything it seems like Google who are the ones wanting more and more control of what we can and can't do on our own handsets and trying fir e people into using their software and trying to I corporate Google+ into absolutely everything.
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Any recently released phone will carry a premium for a few months such as the m8, s5, z2, comparing them against an almost year old phone does not give an accurate reflection of true pricing.
You are the one who is going on, and on about specs and trying to compare different generations of phones when that is of no interest to what is being discussed. |
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Well, on IOS Dolphin is a browser skin for Apple's basic Webkit. (Only Safari only gets to use the faster turbo feature)
I try not to mislead. And look, Dolphin is rated as bad as Safari here. http://forums.macrumors.com/showthre...1740454&page=2 The Apple forum discussion on IOS crashing, including web crashing likely runs to 100's of pages edit - one of many https://discussions.apple.com/thread...=1710&tstart=0 Seems it hates ebay the most, though I half wonder if a weekly hardware reset cures some IOS ills? Also, if you do not have the new 64 bit devices you are likely lucky. I bet they are worse, especially with no increase in RAM to offset the 64 bit overhead. ![]() Couldn't tell you about ebay, I use the app. And we have 3 iPad Air's. The 64 bit devices are fine thanks, very fast with the odd old app crashing. I'm surprised you have to rely on third party claims, I thought you own an iPad? |
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.. and that Android owners upgrade more often as the phones are much cheaper . That's not borne out with facts.
... http://www.theguardian.com/technolog...s-google-apple I wonder if that Arthur guy could tell us what he was smoking at the time.
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For the purposes of what was being discussed of course it does. It was mentioned that Apple users don't upgrade their phones often as they are too expensive to upgrade and that Android owners upgrade more often as the phones are much cheaper . That's not borne out with facts.
You are the one who is going on, and on about specs and trying to compare different generations of phones when that is of no interest to what is being discussed. I again have mentioned nothing at all about specs in any way, having a level playing field when comparing things is quite right and is nothing to do with specs. Specs would only be an issue when factoring in why there is a difference in the prices. As it stands iphones are more expensive than the latest android phones (always have been) more so when you correctly apply the correct corresponding generations of phones. Flagship phones from major Android manufacturers are more expensive than those from say Oneplus. That would not be a question of spec or updates a simple fact, same with iphones. I fail to see why this is causing you such difficulty |
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As it stands iphones are more expensive than the latest android phones (always have been) more so when you correctly apply the correct corresponding generations of phones.
For example, on the O2 website a Galaxy S4 is £409 and an iPhone 5c is £359. Although this relevance is going to be skewed by the number of people who are on contract, of course. Where am I going with this? I don't know. |
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Well you have to correctly apply the right generation of phone against each other and you also have to apply it to the right level of phone in order to be truly representative.
The s4 and and the 5c are not even in the same country let alone ball park However as mentioned I have not given or argued any reasons why there is a difference or whether justified or not (as Al keeps claiming) I merely pinted out there is. |
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The s4 and and the 5c are not even in the same country let alone ball park
. Although I still maintain that you chose a phone (of whatever flavour) that suits your purpose at the time and can only repeat that I didn't see there is a lot of negativity towards Android, unless by Apple fans, when the reverse is also true. |
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It's called evolution. Without it, you wouldn't even have your beloved xp or ics. And xp is FAR from perfect!
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So in your world something that costs nearly 15% less is "around the same price" absolutely ludicrous. Not to mention the newer generation samsung is cheaper than last years older iphone which you conviniently claim is not relevant, again laughable in the extreme. The ability to buy a more technologically more advanced handset for £60 less is "about the same"


