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Old 05-06-2014, 10:39
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I've really got into the Corrie storyline recently but some of the ridiculous failures on the part of the writers are incredibly lazy.

1. Carla was Leanne's very good friend when she started shagging Peter, was she not? No-one - least of all Carla - seems to have any recollection of this at all.

2. The writers only seem to have remembered that Gail was Tina's step-daughter too late to have her be involved at all in the action in or around the hospital. Now, how realistic is that? She seemed to have some kind of memory lightning bolt last night when she decided to all of a sudden become distraught. No wonder Kylie was confused. I only dip into and out of Corrie usually but have become engrossed in this storyline - however, even I wondered aloud a couple of days ago about Gail's absence from Tina's bedside.

3. Is anyone - ever - going to ring Tina's actual mother?

4. Everyone on the street saw Carla collapse comatose on HER OWN WEDDING NIGHT. Yet no-one bats an eyelid as she continues to badger Peter about his alcoholism.

You'd think a little bit of continuity wouldn't go astray.
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Old 05-06-2014, 10:53
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Like Alison King said, what goes around comes around, so Carla's past mistakes (being the other woman, doing the cheating, betraying a friend etc.) were always going to come back on her but I don't believe that justifies Peter or Tina's behaviour, and Peter's betrayal was just the start of it because Carla's now being wrongly accused of murder and she's about to lose her baby. Gosh she was being tormented by Frank Foster not that long ago.
Admittedly, I get frustrated when characters forget their own sins but it would be very strange if Carla wasn't hurt or angry with Tina, especially when she didn't even get the chance to confront her or ask her why. Tina may have just pretended to be Carla's friend but Carla genuinely cared about her and despite everything, she goes to Tina's funeral, which I think says a lot. I reckon there will be a time when she will either be reminded of her own mistakes or she will acknowledge them herself.

Peter has a lot to answer for though. There's no denying that Tina wouldn't leave Peter alone but he still had a choice. He chose to drop his pants and lie to his wife - who happened to be carrying his baby - for months. He eventually told Carla everything so why didn't he do that before letting Tina believe he loved her and would run away with her? It also says a lot that the only thing he could say when he tried to explain his behaviour is that Carla 'gave him too much' and Tina did all the running.
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Old 05-06-2014, 11:07
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I pointed this out in the SOR thread, but Carla's line last night about: "Peter's proven he's capable of a lot more than we thought" line was ridiculous.

So...........Peter's capable of having an affair and lying to his wife? And this is shock news to Carla how exactly?
She was previously having an affair, and lying to his wife with him!
Bizarre.
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Old 05-06-2014, 11:14
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I pointed this out in the SOR thread, but Carla's line last night about: "Peter's proven he's capable of a lot more than we thought" line was ridiculous.

So...........Peter's capable of having an affair and lying to his wife? And this is shock news to Carla how exactly?
She was previously having an affair, and lying to his wife with him!
Bizarre.
I'm not sure she meant that she didn't think Peter was capable of having an affair. I thought it was more to do with him cheating on her when she was pregnant.
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Old 05-06-2014, 11:17
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Not to mention the absolute hypocrisy of Dennis having a go at Peter for cheating. What on earth!!!!
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Old 05-06-2014, 11:24
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But surely everybody knows what Peter is like so him having an affair should come as no surprise, I wouldn't be surprised if it's revealed he has a secret family somewhere else. I mean this is the man that committed bigamy of course he has shown that he can do a lot worse than just an affair.
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Old 05-06-2014, 11:39
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Like Alison King said, what goes around comes around, so Carla's past mistakes (being the other woman, doing the cheating, betraying a friend etc.) were always going to come back on her but I don't believe that justifies Peter or Tina's behaviour, and Peter's betrayal was just the start of it because Carla's now being wrongly accused of murder and she's about to lose her baby. Gosh she was being tormented by Frank Foster not that long ago.
Admittedly, I get frustrated when characters forget their own sins but it would be very strange if Carla wasn't hurt or angry with Tina, especially when she didn't even get the chance to confront her or ask her why. Tina may have just pretended to be Carla's friend but Carla genuinely cared about her and despite everything, she goes to Tina's funeral, which I think says a lot. I reckon there will be a time when she will either be reminded of her own mistakes or she will acknowledge them herself.

Peter has a lot to answer for though. There's no denying that Tina wouldn't leave Peter alone but he still had a choice. He chose to drop his pants and lie to his wife - who happened to be carrying his baby - for months. He eventually told Carla everything so why didn't he do that before letting Tina believe he loved her and would run away with her? It also says a lot that the only thing he could say when he tried to explain his behaviour is that Carla 'gave him too much' and Tina did all the running.
I accept everything you say and of course she's angry and upset, but it's been a few days now and in any kind of realistic setting, their history would be bearing on her mind.

I pointed this out in the SOR thread, but Carla's line last night about: "Peter's proven he's capable of a lot more than we thought" line was ridiculous.

So...........Peter's capable of having an affair and lying to his wife? And this is shock news to Carla how exactly?
She was previously having an affair, and lying to his wife with him!
Bizarre.
That line was a corker all right. She's a great character - it's a pity the writers seem so determined at the moment to make her completely devoid of self-awareness.
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Old 05-06-2014, 11:52
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Not to mention the absolute hypocrisy of Dennis having a go at Peter for cheating. What on earth!!!!
Dennis wasn't in a relationship with Gloria
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Old 05-06-2014, 11:55
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I accept everything you say and of course she's angry and upset, but it's been a few days now and in any kind of realistic setting, their history would be bearing on her mind.
Fair enough. They will have to go there eventually.

Perhaps the writers shouldn't have given her so much to deal with on top of the affair reveal though. If she wasn't being arrested every day and about to suffer a miscarriage, maybe then she would have more chance to think back to her own behaviour in the past.
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Old 05-06-2014, 12:02
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I also wouldn't mind her thinking about Maria in all of this.
Whilst, being pregnant by a husband you have just found out has cheated is horrific, it was actually much worse for Maria, as Liam was dead to boot!
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Old 05-06-2014, 12:18
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Carla is no saint, absolutely. She's lied, cheated and used people in the past. As have 3/4 of the characters, but nonetheless. But with regards to her supposed lack of awareness of this, three things:

1) As boxer said, she's got a lot on her plate right now, what with being arrested/'taken in for questioning every day, dealing with the break up of a relationship she pinned everything on, dealing with her pregnancy and the fact that, as far as she was aware until last night, she was now effectively a single mother, and from last night, a miscarriage on top. So whilst she no doubt will make some reference to it later on, I think she can be forgiven for the slight hypocrisy of the situation not being at the forefront of her mind.

2) Carla is famously reluctant to talk in length about her feelings etc, so whilst she may well lie awake thinking that she's brought this all on herself, she's very unlikely to mention that to anyone out loud, ie on screen.

3) Sure, she's been the other woman in the past, but how exactly does that make what Peter and Tina have done any better? She's still been lied to and cheated on for six months, and she's still going to feel betrayed, whether she 'should've known it'd happen' or not. I've said this before but double standard that Peter can cheat endlessly and that's his nature, and Carla cheats once and is never allowed any sympathy as a result, really bugs me.
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Old 05-06-2014, 12:46
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I'm not sure she meant that she didn't think Peter was capable of having an affair. I thought it was more to do with him cheating on her when she was pregnant.
BUT then again Carla knew that he was capable of cheating on Leanne when Leanne was pregnant with his child! She knows this because she is the one who was chasing him at the time and wouldn't leave him alone then, just like Tina was doing recently.

Then she surely knows she is also just as capable of what she is accusing Peter of??
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Old 05-06-2014, 12:53
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I've really got into the Corrie storyline recently but some of the ridiculous failures on the part of the writers are incredibly lazy.

1. Carla was Leanne's very good friend when she started shagging Peter, was she not? No-one - least of all Carla - seems to have any recollection of this at all.

2. The writers only seem to have remembered that Gail was Tina's step-daughter too late to have her be involved at all in the action in or around the hospital. Now, how realistic is that? She seemed to have some kind of memory lightning bolt last night when she decided to all of a sudden become distraught. No wonder Kylie was confused. I only dip into and out of Corrie usually but have become engrossed in this storyline - however, even I wondered aloud a couple of days ago about Gail's absence from Tina's bedside.

3. Is anyone - ever - going to ring Tina's actual mother?

4. Everyone on the street saw Carla collapse comatose on HER OWN WEDDING NIGHT. Yet no-one bats an eyelid as she continues to badger Peter about his alcoholism.

You'd think a little bit of continuity wouldn't go astray.
There's a Suspension of Reality thread devoted to these kind of glaring errors. All the soaps do them: events, happenings and whole story lines lines are assigned to a black hole when no longer convenient, characters and personalities are changed in order to fit a new plot or just on a whim seemingly sometimes, relationships and relatives are forgotten if no longer needed or suddenly resurrected if necessary and hypocrisy is a given for all characters in all soaps.

Having sad that I don't actually think some of the things you've said are that implausible. Leanne and Carla fell out when Carla 'stole' her man. There's been tension between them ever since until recently when in fact there has been a subtle change since Peter fell off the wagon again and of Course Tina being murdered. I think that's quite realistic.

To be honest I don't buy the huge out cry of grief regarding Tina at all anyway. She hadn't spoken to Gail for a long time so her remembering their relationship was more of a SOR than her forgetting IMO just like Fizz and Tyronne being at the bed side When did they last talk to Tina I was more with Kylie on this tbh

Carla's 'alcoholism' has been explored in the past and I think the idea is Peter will die if he drinks as is incapable of stopping once he starts whereas Carla is more of your binge drinker. As far as Tina's mum is concerned it is ridiculous she hasn't been around much sooner particularly with all the things Tina has been going through but if you are going to watch a soap I'm afraid you have to suspend a great deal of disbelief.
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Old 05-06-2014, 13:00
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I wonder if its deliberate then, that in some way we see more in Tracey and Kylie's reaction more 'real' than some of the others. That said, it would be nice if someone brought up the fact that Carla got with Peter through what essentially was happening between him and Tina.
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Old 05-06-2014, 13:00
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Carla is no saint, absolutely. She's lied, cheated and used people in the past. As have 3/4 of the characters, but nonetheless. But with regards to her supposed lack of awareness of this, three things:

1) As boxer said, she's got a lot on her plate right now, what with being arrested/'taken in for questioning every day, dealing with the break up of a relationship she pinned everything on, dealing with her pregnancy and the fact that, as far as she was aware until last night, she was now effectively a single mother, and from last night, a miscarriage on top. So whilst she no doubt will make some reference to it later on, I think she can be forgiven for the slight hypocrisy of the situation not being at the forefront of her mind.

2) Carla is famously reluctant to talk in length about her feelings etc, so whilst she may well lie awake thinking that she's brought this all on herself, she's very unlikely to mention that to anyone out loud, ie on screen.

3) Sure, she's been the other woman in the past, but how exactly does that make what Peter and Tina have done any better? She's still been lied to and cheated on for six months, and she's still going to feel betrayed, whether she 'should've known it'd happen' or not. I've said this before but double standard that Peter can cheat endlessly and that's his nature, and Carla cheats once and is never allowed any sympathy as a result, really bugs me.
Exactly! I don't get this view that she deserves no sympathy because she has been the other woman herself. That does not make either Tina or Peter's behaviour acceptable. As I recall she more than suffered (i.e was punished) as a result of being the other woman. She knew she had done wrong and was suitably contrite. Not excusing her behaviour but she was treated as a scarlett woman and an outsider by all the moral brigade on the street, not to mention the awful way brat Simon treated her and continues to treat her.

IMO her character is deserving sympathy now and her anger towards Tina is justified.
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Old 05-06-2014, 13:08
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It's hilarious when some posters talk about the fact that you can't 'steal' someone from another person. Tell that to someone who's been married for ten years and worked at a relationship for one person just to suddenly walk out and leave and go to live with someone else. They would be destroyed. It used to be called adultery,

Leanne and Peter were a married couple with a child, you can't just rewrite events how they were portrayed. Infidelity matters because it causes major disruption and stress to people's lives. That's why it's so often one of the major storylines in a soap. Because it matters. If it was such a non issue as suggested they wouldn't bother to focus on it would they?
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Old 05-06-2014, 13:10
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I wonder if its deliberate then, that in some way we see more in Tracey and Kylie's reaction more 'real' than some of the others. That said, it would be nice if someone brought up the fact that Carla got with Peter through what essentially was happening between him and Tina.
Maybe they will when Leanne's hypocrisy is brought up as after all didn't she cheat on her fiance with his Dad and Peter with Nick so why is she allowed to get on her high horse about Peter and Carla for cheating

I tell you, hypocrisy is a prerequisite for being a soap character so I'm just intrigued as to why it's brought up so much in relation to Carla and to such a lesser degree Leanne and barely at all Peter.
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Old 05-06-2014, 13:23
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Maybe they will when Leanne's hypocrisy is brought up as after all didn't she cheat on her fiance with his Dad and Peter with Nick so why is she allowed to get on her high horse about Peter and Carla for cheating

I tell you, hypocrisy is a prerequisite for being a soap character so I'm just intrigued as to why it's brought up so much in relation to Carla and to such a lesser degree Leanne and barely at all Peter.
The answer is very simple. Carla is in the spotlight. The storyline she's involved with at the moment is bringing her actions into question when she was Peter's other woman. It's damn near impossible not to see the parallel. It's now her turn to be the woman scorned and the one who is in the polar opposite position to before. Why would you not be asking if she seems to be more sensitive to how Leanne must have felf? Now that the tables have been turned you can hardly expect people not to question her reactions and her own self awareness when she is the one who is hurt.
This is why we watch soaps Trev.
And no, I don't think it's always the women who carry the blame in Corrie either. The men are constantly scolded and mocked. It's just that Peter Barlow has been defined for so long as this hopeless and weak minded character for so long that people just don't expect very much from him at all. He never seems to have the courage to really stand up to any woman.
You can't turn it into a sexist argument, men v women, it's the individual that has to be judged on their own merits at the end of the day.
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Old 05-06-2014, 13:47
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The answer is very simple. Carla is in the spotlight. The storyline she's involved with at the moment is bringing her actions into question when she was Peter's other woman. It's damn near impossible not to see the parallel. It's now her turn to be the woman scorned and the one who is in the polar opposite position to before. Why would you not be asking if she seems to be more sensitive to how Leanne must have felf? Now that the tables have been turned you can hardly expect people not to question her reactions and her own self awareness when she is the one who is hurt.
This is why we watch soaps Trev.
And no, I don't think it's always the women who carry the blame in Corrie either. The men are constantly scolded and mocked. It's just that Peter Barlow has been defined for so long as this hopeless and weak minded character for so long that people just don't expect very much from him at all. He never seems to have the courage to really stand up to any woman.
You can't turn it into a sexist argument, men v women, it's the individual that has to be judged on their own merits at the end of the day.
Carla may be in the spot light now but when Leanne was / is in the spot light is her hypocrisy mentioned? It is a soap and hypocrisy and cheating is rife so I am interested in why posters are so keen to mention Carla's hypocrisy and so keen for her to be punished and to a lesser degree Leanne and to a zilch degree Peter. Male characters are indeed mocked and derided on the soap but I am talking about our views on DS,

Forum members seem overly keen for females particularly Carla to be punished. I've not seen anyone ask for retribution for Peter or say he has got his comeuppance / what he deserves etc like they do Carla and yet who is the greatest sinner here. Peter cheated on Leanne and on Carla and is a bigamist etc etc and yet people feel sorry for him. Weakness is not sufficient to absolve him of a negative response on here. They are all fundamentally weak characters so each have to be judged on their actions to paraphrase you.

I'm not turning it into a sexist argument, sexism is staring us in the face on DS over this topic.
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Old 05-06-2014, 13:53
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It's hilarious when some posters talk about the fact that you can't 'steal' someone from another person. Tell that to someone who's been married for ten years and worked at a relationship for one person just to suddenly walk out and leave and go to live with someone else. They would be destroyed. It used to be called adultery,

Leanne and Peter were a married couple with a child, you can't just rewrite events how they were portrayed. Infidelity matters because it causes major disruption and stress to people's lives. That's why it's so often one of the major storylines in a soap. Because it matters. If it was such a non issue as suggested they wouldn't bother to focus on it would they?
You can't steal a person that's just obvious unless you're talking about kidnap or slavery I suppose and the degree of hurt a person feels when they've been cheated on or abandoned doesn't make it so. Neither does calling it adultery.

Of course infidelity matters and is a constant in soaps but don't make the mistake of mixing up real life and a soap. It's hard to care for someone like Leanne being cheated on when she has cheated herself never endingly. I like Carla but don't have the remotest sympathy for her over this. Getting with Peter was a hideous mistake for her and she was always going to pay a price but then again she's a character in a soap so bad stuff WILL happen
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Old 05-06-2014, 14:01
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Carla may be in the spot light now but when Leanne was / is in the spot light is her hypocrisy mentioned? It is a soap and hypocrisy and cheating is rife so I am interested in why posters are so keen to mention Carla's hypocrisy and so keen for her to be punished and to a lesser degree Leanne and to a zilch degree Peter. Male characters are indeed mocked and derided on the soap but I am talking about our views on DS,

Forum members seem overly keen for females particularly Carla to be punished. I've not seen anyone ask for retribution for Peter or say he has got his comeuppance / what he deserves etc like they do Carla and yet who is the greatest sinner here. Peter cheated on Leanne and on Carla and is a bigamist etc etc and yet people feel sorry for him. Weakness is not sufficient to absolve him of a negative response on here. They are all fundamentally weak characters so each have to be judged on their actions to paraphrase you.

I'm not turning it into a sexist argument, sexism is staring us in the face on DS over this topic.
Peter does have a lot of fans, particularly of the female variety I'm guessing, who always seem to stick up for him no matter what nastiness he gets up to, but the same is true for Carla, Leanne, everyone else. I don't think you could safely assume that most viewers don't want to see him get his commupence at all, not from my knowledge.
Personally speaking I've been wanting to see him get his just desserts for a long time now. That's why i made a whole thread about it!!!!. And I'm a female if that's relevant lol.
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Old 05-06-2014, 14:24
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It's hilarious when some posters talk about the fact that you can't 'steal' someone from another person. Tell that to someone who's been married for ten years and worked at a relationship for one person just to suddenly walk out and leave and go to live with someone else. They would be destroyed. It used to be called adultery,

Leanne and Peter were a married couple with a child, you can't just rewrite events how they were portrayed. Infidelity matters because it causes major disruption and stress to people's lives. That's why it's so often one of the major storylines in a soap. Because it matters. If it was such a non issue as suggested they wouldn't bother to focus on it would they?
You can't 'steal' someone from another person. The person in the relationship CHOSE to leave by committing adultery. The other woman/man did not steal anyone. That takes responsibility off the married party by giving them an 'out'; "oh he didn't really want to leave, but she badgered and badgered until the day came when she swooped into the house, slid him under her trench coat, and walked out the door." Please.

It says a lot about someone's character when they knowingly choose to be the other woman/man to someone who is in a committed relationship. But in the end it is the person who chose to cheat on their husband/wife and CHOSE to leave their committed relationship who is ultimately at fault. No matter what the scorned party wants to think or feel.

As far as the show goes, it's a soap Andrea. They all cheat on each other and will all cheat in the future. Very few characters in the show are immune from this and they are all hypocritical when they are the ones cheated on, Carla, Leanne and Maria included. To point out one character being hypocritical and not others is...how do you say...hypocritical?
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Old 05-06-2014, 14:31
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Carla is no different to Peter,Tina or Leanne in regards to infidelity, she cheated with Liam on Maria and Tony and she done the same with Peter on Leanne, she really doesn't have any place to talk or accuse others, she was both 'friends' with them woman and it didn't stop her, short memories on soaps!
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Old 05-06-2014, 15:00
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As far as the show goes, it's a soap Andrea. They all cheat on each other and will all cheat in the future. Very few characters in the show are immune from this and they are all hypocritical when they are the ones cheated on, Carla, Leanne and Maria included. To point out one character being hypocritical and not others is...how do you say...hypocritical?
My apologies, I meant to direct that to the OP Patsylimerick. Early morning...no coffee = poor proof reading.
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Old 05-06-2014, 15:01
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Carla is no different to Peter,Tina or Leanne in regards to infidelity, she cheated with Liam on Maria and Tony and she done the same with Peter on Leanne, she really doesn't have any place to talk or accuse others, she was both 'friends' with them woman and it didn't stop her, short memories on soaps!
No one is denying that Carla has cheated and betrayed people/friends in the past (it seems like some people forget that she has suffered/been punished too) but that does not excuse Peter and Tina's behaviour and it would be very strange if she didn't feel angry and hurt. And again, she doesn't just have Peter's betrayal to deal with. She's being wrongly accused of killing Tina and she's about to suffer a miscarriage.
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