It would seem that Freeview have announced it's intention to take on Youview with a similar platform and cut out TalkTalk and BT.
http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2014/06/fre...ch-up-service/
http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2014/06/fre...ch-up-service/
Freeview to challenge Youview
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Old news, but YouView was supposed to be Freeview anyway - just that they totally messed it up - leaving only subscription services to start using it.
If I buy a new TV, it is just going to be a normal TV, with no online crap on it and no 3D. Come to think of it, if I could get one for a decent price, or I want is a 42 inch monitor with no tuner.
The problem with this Freeview connect, you view and other stuff stuck on smart Tv sets is that it confuses people as they have no idea what the hell most of it does.
The amount of people I know that have got so called smart Tv sets and yet they have never ever been connected to the net and I doubt they ever will. some of them are 3d and yet have never been used as 3D.
The problem with this Freeview connect, you view and other stuff stuck on smart Tv sets is that it confuses people as they have no idea what the hell most of it does.
The amount of people I know that have got so called smart Tv sets and yet they have never ever been connected to the net and I doubt they ever will. some of them are 3d and yet have never been used as 3D.
Originally Posted by noise747:
“If I buy a new TV, it is just going to be a normal TV, with no online crap on it and no 3D. Come to think of it, if I could get one for a decent price, or I want is a 42 inch monitor with no tuner.
The problem with this Freeview connect, you view and other stuff stuck on smart Tv sets is that it confuses people as they have no idea what the hell most of it does.
The amount of people I know that have got so called smart Tv sets and yet they have never ever been connected to the net and I doubt they ever will. some of them are 3d and yet have never been used as 3D.”
“If I buy a new TV, it is just going to be a normal TV, with no online crap on it and no 3D. Come to think of it, if I could get one for a decent price, or I want is a 42 inch monitor with no tuner.
The problem with this Freeview connect, you view and other stuff stuck on smart Tv sets is that it confuses people as they have no idea what the hell most of it does.
The amount of people I know that have got so called smart Tv sets and yet they have never ever been connected to the net and I doubt they ever will. some of them are 3d and yet have never been used as 3D.”
You know a lot of OAPs then ?
Originally Posted by vangeezer:
“You know a lot of OAPs then ?”
“You know a lot of OAPs then ?”
Most of them are younger than me. the problem is a lot of these sets need Ethernet and people just don't want cables going around the room. some sets are able to use Wi-fi, but then in most cases it is extra costs and when you do get these sets online, they are slow, cumbersome and don't really offer anything worth bothering with.
You only have to look at Youview and see how slow that is, so I doubt this new Freeview connect or what ever they end up calling it will be any better.
Better off to buy something like a Roku.
Just to add to the confusion. You can now get freetime on a terrestrial TV (no satellite dish required). See the latest Panasonic TV's
Originally Posted by noise747:
“Most of them are younger than me. the problem is a lot of these sets need Ethernet and people just don't want cables going around the room. some sets are able to use Wi-fi, but then in most cases it is extra costs and when you do get these sets online, they are slow, cumbersome and don't really offer anything worth bothering with.
You only have to look at Youview and see how slow that is, so I doubt this new Freeview connect or what ever they end up calling it will be any better.
Better off to buy something like a Roku.”
“Most of them are younger than me. the problem is a lot of these sets need Ethernet and people just don't want cables going around the room. some sets are able to use Wi-fi, but then in most cases it is extra costs and when you do get these sets online, they are slow, cumbersome and don't really offer anything worth bothering with.
You only have to look at Youview and see how slow that is, so I doubt this new Freeview connect or what ever they end up calling it will be any better.
Better off to buy something like a Roku.”
The majority of new TV's offer ethernet and or wifi, to be honest I find it a tad insulting you saying older people don't have a clue or want this or don't want that. My father in law is 79 and had no problem with his new 'smart 3d' television. I'm almost 60 but a bit of a tech head but have friends who are ten or more years older than me and they seem to cope just fine with modern computer/TV technology.
Youview is slow? No, its not, again your making nonsense sweeping statements.
Originally Posted by neo_wales:
“The majority of new TV's offer ethernet and or wifi, to be honest I find it a tad insulting you saying older people don't have a clue or want this or don't want that. My father in law is 79 and had no problem with his new 'smart 3d' television. I'm almost 60 but a bit of a tech head but have friends who are ten or more years older than me and they seem to cope just fine with modern computer/TV technology.
Youview is slow? No, its not, again your making nonsense sweeping statements.”
“The majority of new TV's offer ethernet and or wifi, to be honest I find it a tad insulting you saying older people don't have a clue or want this or don't want that. My father in law is 79 and had no problem with his new 'smart 3d' television. I'm almost 60 but a bit of a tech head but have friends who are ten or more years older than me and they seem to cope just fine with modern computer/TV technology.
Youview is slow? No, its not, again your making nonsense sweeping statements.
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Yep, set my mom up with a YouView box, and she love's it.
Uses the catch-up service for stuff she may have forgotten to record, no problem. She's 86!
Originally Posted by neo_wales:
“The majority of new TV's offer ethernet and or wifi, to be honest I find it a tad insulting you saying older people don't have a clue or want this or don't want that.”
“The majority of new TV's offer ethernet and or wifi, to be honest I find it a tad insulting you saying older people don't have a clue or want this or don't want that.”
It was vangeezer that talked about OAPs not noise747.
Originally Posted by tealady:
“It was vangeezer that talked about OAPs not noise747.”
“It was vangeezer that talked about OAPs not noise747.”
Go back and read his post again.
Originally Posted by neo_wales:
“The majority of new TV's offer ethernet and or wifi, to be honest I find it a tad insulting you saying older people don't have a clue or want this or don't want that. My father in law is 79 and had no problem with his new 'smart 3d' television. I'm almost 60 but a bit of a tech head but have friends who are ten or more years older than me and they seem to cope just fine with modern computer/TV technology.
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“The majority of new TV's offer ethernet and or wifi, to be honest I find it a tad insulting you saying older people don't have a clue or want this or don't want that. My father in law is 79 and had no problem with his new 'smart 3d' television. I'm almost 60 but a bit of a tech head but have friends who are ten or more years older than me and they seem to cope just fine with modern computer/TV technology.
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I suggest you take another look at my post before you start gobbing off. I never said anything about older people not having a clue or want this or that.
But now you come to it a lot of older people don't want it, they just want to watch their normal TV and do not give a crap about 3D or connecting to the internet, but it don't mean they are all like it.
My Dad for instance just got a TV and not interested in adding anything to it, he is 85, but yet i know someone who is over 80 and him and his wife, both got computers, tablets, gone onto fibre and have Sky.
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Youview is slow? No, its not, again your making nonsense sweeping statements.”
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Youview is slow? No, its not, again your making nonsense sweeping statements.
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It is like a snail, a awful system and you only have to look at some posts on here and you will see other people think the same. the problem is like a lot of of these services, they build the units to as low a cost as they can and then find they are not up to the job.
i admit I have only seen one you view box working, but if I was using it , I would have chucked it long ago.
I have been told that some of the newer boxes are better.
Originally Posted by tealady:
“It was vangeezer that talked about OAPs not noise747.”
“It was vangeezer that talked about OAPs not noise747.”
Not a problem, I get used to it from him. he gobs off with anything I post.
I think it's patronising to generalise that anyone is confused about any technology. That said. any technology has to start somewhere and most of it starts of slowly. I doubt the developers think about older audiences when they formulate their ideas. Not because the older generation can't, it's more of a won't (just look at the XP arguments).
Anyway, as I read the article the Freeview version isn't going to have the roll back epg like youview, but, will tackle it with catchup TV.
Anyway, as I read the article the Freeview version isn't going to have the roll back epg like youview, but, will tackle it with catchup TV.
Originally Posted by call100:
“I think it's patronising to generalise that anyone is confused about any technology. That said. any technology has to start somewhere and most of it starts of slowly. I doubt the developers think about older audiences when they formulate their ideas. Not because the older generation can't, it's more of a won't (just look at the XP arguments).
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“I think it's patronising to generalise that anyone is confused about any technology. That said. any technology has to start somewhere and most of it starts of slowly. I doubt the developers think about older audiences when they formulate their ideas. Not because the older generation can't, it's more of a won't (just look at the XP arguments).
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You like Neo, you are reading my post wrong. i never said technology was confusing. i should have put it better i suppose, but what I meant to say was that it all being different confuses people.
Lg is different to Sony, Samsung got a different system compared to Panasonic, that is the confusion. Maybe this Freeview connect would get some sort of standard UI and have some sort of standard apps, if that is the right word to use.
While I have no interest myself in a so called smart Tv, if I wanted one then it would need Netflix, but then the TV I like may not have netflix. this is why i think the best way is for a external box. i use my PS3, ok it is a bit over the top for just netflix, but I also use it for a media centre. for me that is more useful than a smart Tv as a lot of them are to be honest useless. i see some sets got faster processors now, but it is also about memory as well.
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“Anyway, as I read the article the Freeview version isn't going to have the roll back epg like youview, but, will tackle it with catchup TV.”
“Anyway, as I read the article the Freeview version isn't going to have the roll back epg like youview, but, will tackle it with catchup TV.”
It is just going to be a new interface, that they want to make a standard, but I doubt it will come to much.
All the money that was spent on you View and the only reason it is still going is because it is offered almost for zero cost by two ISPs. Yet, the BBc is still ploughing public money into it.
All these extras, are just a way of putting the prices up for people who don't want them.
I saw the review of smart TV on gadget show a little while ago. They were mostly disappointed too.
My Sony blue ray player is smart too, and is connected, but again the smart part is so poor it may as we'll be dropped from the spec.
Pc connected to the TV with hdmi is way better and is the only way if you want to do everything. Add a wireless keyboard with built in touch pad for remote control.
Set top TV boxes like Apple TV are a cheaper option, but they are limited. I doubt u will find one that does all the catch up services. They are locked down and can be quickly made obsolete.
Tablet pcs might be worth a look. You can use them separately of course but also connect them to a TV with adaptor cable. Tablet pcs such as the iPad do differ with design so the useage will vary depending on which one you have. And with all of them, even the top iPad you are still going to be a bit limited as they are not proper pcs, certain things don't work which would work on a PC.
My Sony blue ray player is smart too, and is connected, but again the smart part is so poor it may as we'll be dropped from the spec.
Pc connected to the TV with hdmi is way better and is the only way if you want to do everything. Add a wireless keyboard with built in touch pad for remote control.
Set top TV boxes like Apple TV are a cheaper option, but they are limited. I doubt u will find one that does all the catch up services. They are locked down and can be quickly made obsolete.
Tablet pcs might be worth a look. You can use them separately of course but also connect them to a TV with adaptor cable. Tablet pcs such as the iPad do differ with design so the useage will vary depending on which one you have. And with all of them, even the top iPad you are still going to be a bit limited as they are not proper pcs, certain things don't work which would work on a PC.
Originally Posted by noise747:
“I suggest you take another look at my post before you start gobbing off. I never said anything about older people not having a clue or want this or that.
But now you come to it a lot of older people don't want it, they just want to watch their normal TV and do not give a crap about 3D or connecting to the internet, but it don't mean they are all like it.
My Dad for instance just got a TV and not interested in adding anything to it, he is 85, but yet i know someone who is over 80 and him and his wife, both got computers, tablets, gone onto fibre and have Sky.
It is like a snail, a awful system and you only have to look at some posts on here and you will see other people think the same. the problem is like a lot of of these services, they build the units to as low a cost as they can and then find they are not up to the job.
i admit I have only seen one you view box working, but if I was using it , I would have chucked it long ago.
I have been told that some of the newer boxes are better.”
“I suggest you take another look at my post before you start gobbing off. I never said anything about older people not having a clue or want this or that.
But now you come to it a lot of older people don't want it, they just want to watch their normal TV and do not give a crap about 3D or connecting to the internet, but it don't mean they are all like it.
My Dad for instance just got a TV and not interested in adding anything to it, he is 85, but yet i know someone who is over 80 and him and his wife, both got computers, tablets, gone onto fibre and have Sky.
It is like a snail, a awful system and you only have to look at some posts on here and you will see other people think the same. the problem is like a lot of of these services, they build the units to as low a cost as they can and then find they are not up to the job.
i admit I have only seen one you view box working, but if I was using it , I would have chucked it long ago.
I have been told that some of the newer boxes are better.”
I strongly suggest you leave age out of your posts, people are people and age should not come into it.
The youview box is a good bit of kit. None of them are 'instant' but they are by NO means running at a snails pace. I use one, daughter uses one, several friends use them and have no problems with the boxes performance; frankly I prefer to listen to them than some of the whining moaners who haunt the DS site.
Originally Posted by David (2):
“I saw the review of smart TV on gadget show a little while ago. They were mostly disappointed too.
My Sony blue ray player is smart too, and is connected, but again the smart part is so poor it may as we'll be dropped from the spec.
Pc connected to the TV with hdmi is way better and is the only way if you want to do everything. Add a wireless keyboard with built in touch pad for remote control.
Set top TV boxes like Apple TV are a cheaper option, but they are limited. I doubt u will find one that does all the catch up services. They are locked down and can be quickly made obsolete.
Tablet pcs might be worth a look. You can use them separately of course but also connect them to a TV with adaptor cable. Tablet pcs such as the iPad do differ with design so the useage will vary depending on which one you have. And with all of them, even the top iPad you are still going to be a bit limited as they are not proper pcs, certain things don't work which would work on a PC.”
“I saw the review of smart TV on gadget show a little while ago. They were mostly disappointed too.
My Sony blue ray player is smart too, and is connected, but again the smart part is so poor it may as we'll be dropped from the spec.
Pc connected to the TV with hdmi is way better and is the only way if you want to do everything. Add a wireless keyboard with built in touch pad for remote control.
Set top TV boxes like Apple TV are a cheaper option, but they are limited. I doubt u will find one that does all the catch up services. They are locked down and can be quickly made obsolete.
Tablet pcs might be worth a look. You can use them separately of course but also connect them to a TV with adaptor cable. Tablet pcs such as the iPad do differ with design so the useage will vary depending on which one you have. And with all of them, even the top iPad you are still going to be a bit limited as they are not proper pcs, certain things don't work which would work on a PC.”
Some of the people I know that have smart Tv sets have external ways to connect it to the net, which is why they don't use the smart part, some like my next door neighbour, don't connect anything to the net apart from their desktop. One household don't even have the internet to connect their smart Tv set to. but people do pay more for these features, even if they are not being used.
i had a look on the currys site this morning, there is a panasonic viera tx50as500b smart-50-led set for £569 and a panasonic viera tx-50a400b 50- LED set for £499. both TV sets looks the same specs apart from the smart part, no 3D and yet for the smart part you are paying a extra £70.
With more and more TV sets on the market and the non smart Tv sets going off the market, it is just another money making racket.
You are right the best way is to use something external, even if it is a bit more complicated. when my Ps3 goes belly up I will get another one even if it is second hand. it does what i want it to do and can play blu-ray and normal DVDs
i can get a cable for my Nexus 7 to connect it to my Tv, i did think about it, but not really sure if it is worth doing.
Originally Posted by neo_wales:
“I strongly suggest you leave age out of your posts, people are people and age should not come into it.
The youview box is a good bit of kit. None of them are 'instant' but they are by NO means running at a snails pace. I use one, daughter uses one, several friends use them and have no problems with the boxes performance; frankly I prefer to listen to them than some of the whining moaners who haunt the DS site.”
“I strongly suggest you leave age out of your posts, people are people and age should not come into it.
The youview box is a good bit of kit. None of them are 'instant' but they are by NO means running at a snails pace. I use one, daughter uses one, several friends use them and have no problems with the boxes performance; frankly I prefer to listen to them than some of the whining moaners who haunt the DS site.”
So why are you still here?
Originally Posted by neo_wales:
“The youview box is a good bit of kit. None of them are 'instant' but they are by NO means running at a snails pace. I use one, daughter uses one, several friends use them and have no problems with the boxes performance.”
“The youview box is a good bit of kit. None of them are 'instant' but they are by NO means running at a snails pace. I use one, daughter uses one, several friends use them and have no problems with the boxes performance.”
YouView is a great idea, but is currently full of bugs and irritations. It is also painfully slow. In a few years time I expect it will become the standard interface, but it's not there yet.
Originally Posted by barbeler:
“YouView is a great idea, but is currently full of bugs and irritations. It is also painfully slow. In a few years time I expect it will become the standard interface, but it's not there yet.”
“YouView is a great idea, but is currently full of bugs and irritations. It is also painfully slow. In a few years time I expect it will become the standard interface, but it's not there yet.”
I am glad someone else think it is slow. i don't know about the bugs as I have not used it enough to find any, in fact I did not use it at all, I just saw it being used and it was just so slow.
I agree it is a good idea, but i think it came too late and if it was not for the likes of Talk Talk and Bt, it would have been dead and buried by now.
Not so sure of it being a standard interface, since we now got freetime, and this freeview connect coming out. It is about time they all got together and sorted it out. I remember when Freeivew first came out and the layout was different on different boxes and TV sets and it still is. but for a Tv guide it was not such a problem.
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Originally Posted by noise747:
“I am glad someone else think it is slow. i don't know about the bugs as I have not used it enough to find any, in fact I did not use it at all, I just saw it being used and it was just so slow.
I agree it is a good idea, but i think it came too late and if it was not for the likes of Talk Talk and Bt, it would have been dead and buried by now.
Not so sure of it being a standard interface, since we now got freetime, and this freeview connect coming out. It is about time they all got together and sorted it out. I remember when Freeivew first came out and the layout was different on different boxes and TV sets and it still is. but for a Tv guide it was not such a problem.
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“I am glad someone else think it is slow. i don't know about the bugs as I have not used it enough to find any, in fact I did not use it at all, I just saw it being used and it was just so slow.
I agree it is a good idea, but i think it came too late and if it was not for the likes of Talk Talk and Bt, it would have been dead and buried by now.
Not so sure of it being a standard interface, since we now got freetime, and this freeview connect coming out. It is about time they all got together and sorted it out. I remember when Freeivew first came out and the layout was different on different boxes and TV sets and it still is. but for a Tv guide it was not such a problem.
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This is not true. It's because Talk Talk and BT have hijacked it, that the other partners are all backing the new platform. You can't judge it based on Youview's platform and it's lack of performance.
The Tv guides on Freeview depended on which version the manufacture had decided to use.
Anyway, it doesn't matter if mine is different to my neighbours, I'm not going to go around there and use it, so I don't need to know how it differs.
Originally Posted by barbeler:
“YouView is a great idea, but is currently full of bugs and irritations. It is also painfully slow. In a few years time I expect it will become the standard interface, but it's not there yet.”
“YouView is a great idea, but is currently full of bugs and irritations. It is also painfully slow. In a few years time I expect it will become the standard interface, but it's not there yet.”
Painfully slow? lol, not, its not.
Originally Posted by call100:
“This is not true. It's because Talk Talk and BT have hijacked it, that the other partners are all backing the new platform.”
“This is not true. It's because Talk Talk and BT have hijacked it, that the other partners are all backing the new platform.”
Not really true that they 'hijacked' it, more like they 'rescued' it - the BBC/ITV spent so many years too long deciding on the actual specification, that all the manufacturers had long since given up on the idea. Sp when it ws finally ready, no one was interested.
I'd like to think they have learn from their stupid mistakes, but I'm depressingly not convinced of it
Youview failed in its original intention because the only available retail devices are too expensive. Whether this is the fault of the specification or the implementation is now irrelevant. BT and Talktalk hijacked or rescued it (depending on your viewpoint) by subsidising the devices in order to sell their ISP and paid IP TV services (which more than recovers the cost).
What is really needed is a standard interface for all IP TV services (or at least the free ones). That would avoid the present lottery where purchasers of an IP enabled device have no idea which present or future services will work with it. The Freeview IP initiative should establish a common IP interface usable on TVs, STBs and PVRs at modest extra cost. If it does that and gets manufacturers to adopt it we will have a major step forward over Youview as it exists today.
What is really needed is a standard interface for all IP TV services (or at least the free ones). That would avoid the present lottery where purchasers of an IP enabled device have no idea which present or future services will work with it. The Freeview IP initiative should establish a common IP interface usable on TVs, STBs and PVRs at modest extra cost. If it does that and gets manufacturers to adopt it we will have a major step forward over Youview as it exists today.
Now TV box already has 3 of the 4 main catchup services. ITV player is now available on some boxes with trial software so won't be long they go live.
All youview offers really over that is a good EPG. Now TV £10, you view £200+ unless part of a broadband deal.
All youview offers really over that is a good EPG. Now TV £10, you view £200+ unless part of a broadband deal.
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