Sorry if this has been discussed before but would people like to see the return of jenny & if so, how do you think she would work alongside peter capaldi (& jenna louise coleman for that matter).

Do a search OP, there are dozens of threads about the return of Jenny...and Romana, and The Rani etc etc

Yes I would like to see her back. Despirately! As I said in another thread a few days ago, maybe played by ex EastEnders actress Hetti Bywater, in a new regeneration. She does have Time Lord traits, just like River Song.

It would be a bit complicated in a Timey-Wobbly way though - she's the Doctor's daughter. and married to Doctor 10, who is also her father! Errrrm let's start again. She's married Doctor 10's incarnation who was her real daddy when he was called Peter and was a vet!!

Let's just bring back Sally Sparrow!!!

Funny how when her father was "murdered" by her kind of step mother she didn't appear.
Getting a bit soap opera ish isn't it. Relatives not showing up at cruical times and complicated family trees. Wonder what curve balls they are going to throw at us in the next series.

No, I utterly loathed her character and that episode is by far the worst in series 4, IMO. I was gutted when she was brought back to life at the end.

If there's a story to justify a return, sure but in general, not really though,

Maybe if it's a strong story, but wouldn't be overly excited at the prospect. Whilst I quite enjoyed it at the time (weeelll, it had Donna in it!) a repeat viewing of The Doctor's Daughter didn't do it any favours for me. A very clunky script tended to overshadow some interesting ideas, and whilst Georgia was fine, in retrospect it just feels gimmicky but also a bit "by numbers." And I generally love Series 4.

Might give it a rewatch sometime and my views might change. Can happen.

Terrible episode. Terrible performance. Terrible writing.

Utterly crass and wretched in every possible way. And they call Moffat sexist? What a laughable one dimensional mish mash of Lara Croft/Wonderbra advert Jenny was. The fact she was spawned from our beloved Doctor only made her back flipping arrogant tits and teeth characterisation even worse.

Dire. So no. Lets file that one next to 'half human' and pretend it never happened.

You must really like that actress tiggerpooh, just the other day you suggested her to be the next companion as well

As for the subject matter, I think there is more of a story to tell with jenny. The way it was left, she had timelord abilities, an appetite for adventure and was actually the doctors child.

It would have made it easier for a possible comeback for the character had they showed her going through a full regeneration and then cut away before we saw the new face. As it stands now, given that she didn't change, it would only work for me if the character was still played by georgia moffet, either for the whole episode(s) or just for a full regeneration scene to allow someone new to take the reigns.

That'll be a "no" then?

Actually, I remember on viewing quite liking the "Donna offers to distract guard like Jenny had, Doctor doesn't think it'll work so goes for the clockwork mouse option" scene because of Tate's timing, but in retrospect....it's a bit off, really!

Saladfingers appears to have described all the reasons I loved this episode Jenny was lovely, Davids' a lucky man ........

I've always thought Jenny has had potential, an interesting storyline to be revisited if they ever decide to, even if the story that spawned her was something of a stumble in an otherwise strong series (you know, until it dive-bombed right off a cliff at the finale).

It's nice to know we have another adventuring Time Lord out there who isn't out to ruin the Doctor's day, which is one of the reasons I liked Drax. If we do see her during her own adventures, I hope it turns out she takes something of a more direct approach to how she does things than the Doctor.

I rather liked Jenny. She was lively and cheeky just like a younger version of the Doctor and I wouldn't mind her coming back. It would be a nice contrast to see her with Capaldi.

She would have been ideal for a mini series saving the universe a la Sarah Jane Smith style.

IMO with the dr having a daughter it would be good for her to reappear in some way. Then again he has a granddaughter who has never been seen since (apart from a cameo in 5 doctors)

you saw the back of her in name of the doctor when the first doctor came out to steal the TARDIS.

Anyway, one day he will come back..............one day

Well don't get me wrong. On an aesthetic level I can appreciate Jenny. But switching to serious ponderous mode I cant help but wonder. If a character like Jenny and hell, lets add Lady Christina into the mix had appeared during the Moffat era I feel the tumblr/twitter/forum anti-Moffat zealots wouldve had alot to say. And yet when it comes to questionable portrayals of female characters in the RTD era their silence is deafening. I cant help but feel if Jenny had appeared during Moffats tenure he would've been slaughtered for it. I wonder why that is...

Haha, perfect. Jenny was awful.

Well Moff is sexist so he obviously deserves it

Is Georgia still officially acting besides popping out baby Tennants?

"I can't help but feel that..." is the sort of thing I always associate with Daily Mail outrage!
"They want to ban Christmas. But I can't help feeling that if they tried to ban Ramadan, we'd never hear the end of it!" (Generally, it means that your feelings don't match the facts - they never want to ban Christmas in these stories.)

Anyway, my point is this - the portrayal of Jenny isn't particularly sexist. Being pretty isn't in itself sexist, but I agree that it's not right for the character. If you read the script, and study her minus the perky cuteness and shiny teeth, she's not badly presented, if a little bland. There's only one bit where being female even really factors into the character, where she flirts to break out of prison - which is actually a bit of a sexist cliche, but probably seems worse the more we've seen River do the same thing.

Both writers are guilty of using women as plot devices but probably more so Moffat.

There wasn't a lot of depth to Lady Christina & she was just used as a bit of a plot device in the story ( with her rucksack full of useful things).

River spent most of her stories as a plot device ( both as the daughter of the ponds and also the assassin & the repercussions of that ) She never really existed as an independent character outside of the doctor except perhaps briefly in the first story investigating the library before the doctor knows her.

I'll ignore the lazy attempt to bait me into raging with the tired old 'like the Daily Mail' riposte which has no grounding in anything I said.

I myself find no offence with Jenny beyond the fact she's a poorly sketched cliche spouting archetype. I don't find her sexist or misogynist. Just another worn out trope. And that would be more acceptable were she a supporting character. But when they make her 'The Doctors Daughter' one would be expecting something slightly more and better written.

My original point was that if one was to apply the rigid arguments of the anti Moffat/Moffat is a sexist brigade to characters like Jenny then they don't fare very well all things considered. And I asked why this is seemingly overlooked. Seems like hypocrisy to me. In fact doesn't seem like. It is.
I'm merely asking why the RTD era seems to get a free pass when it comes to crudely written female archetypes and yet Moffat is the subject of such online anger and pitchfork waving. That's all.

For the record, my only objection to "I can't help feeling that..." is purely a semantic one - that it reads like the writer is trying to absolve themselves of their own opinions, that the writer's opinion is someone else's fault. I only mention it because I want to make it clear that I don't think you mean it like that at all.


In that case, we have two problems. One, some writers doing a slightly shoddy job, and two, managing viewer's expectations.


I've heard criticisms of Moffat that he writes plots that are too complicated, plots that boring, characters that are too complicated, characters that are too mysterious and only act as plot devices, and, as you've said, characters that can be perceived as sexist. I can see where all those criticisms can come from. I've not seen many arguments that Moffat's characters are cliched or underwritten.

Equally, RTD has had his fair share of criticisms regarding his writing style - he's written cliched characters, sure, but we would have to look at whether it's a problem encompassing all his Who work, not just this one particular character.

I don't think it's a fair comparison to pit negative feedback of one character against negative feedback of another writer's complete set. You would have to compare the anti-Moffat arguments to the anti-RTD arguments as a whole, and I think you'd find they're fairly balance.

I liked Jenny and would enjoy any good story in which she reappeared. Perhaps one in which it's revealed she's had a daughter. Called Susan.