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Old 10-06-2014, 13:35
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I think England are in with a good shout here and I reckon that they will get out of the group at Italy's expense. I agree with people saying that Milner should be placed on Pirlo to prevent him from running the game and then use the pace of players like Sturridge and Sterling to kill them on the counter.

How do Italy line up formation wise?
Milner was turned over all ways by Ecudor the other night..all he will do is give away free kicks in pirlo territory. Hope he doesn't play and hope oxlade chamberlain is fit enough to play.
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Old 10-06-2014, 14:24
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I don't know why people are suggesting a draw will be "good enough" No it's not. If you go by what's expected to happen then most people have Uruguay finishing top (They have a decent team and are more accustomed to the climate). That means it's a straight fight between us and Italy (though I don't really want to write Costa Rica off). Nobody wants to go out in the group stages on goal difference.

I'm quite optimistic about the game and can see us getting a narrow win.
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Old 10-06-2014, 15:47
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England didn't go to the Uruguay or Argentina world cups
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Old 10-06-2014, 15:59
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The weather is no excuse. In the past we've been to Mexico twice, Argentina, Brazil once before, Uruguay and South Africa, they're all very hot!

Besides, whenever we have a heatwave we're always going on about how "it's hotter here than Majorca/Miami/the surface of the Sun/wherever. Time to put our money where our mouth is.
I think if you look back at some of those games played in central and southern America, the heat did affect us. Not so much in South Africa though.
Of all the games we are likely to play, the Manaus venue for Italy is the worse. It's not just the heat, humidity can reach 99% in June/July as well.
As you say, some of the other venues should only be pleasantly warm, but a few will probably be "scorchio". Lovely, wish I was over there.
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Old 10-06-2014, 18:14
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I think if you look back at some of those games played in central and southern America, the heat did affect us. Not so much in South Africa though.
Of all the games we are likely to play, the Manaus venue for Italy is the worse. It's not just the heat, humidity can reach 99% in June/July as well.
As you say, some of the other venues should only be pleasantly warm, but a few will probably be "scorchio". Lovely, wish I was over there.
But the game has a late kick-off.
That must lessen the impact of the humidity.

Italy does not have a humid climate.
Hot yes (at least in the south of the country). But not humid.
Would they have that much of an advantage - even if it is humid?
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Old 10-06-2014, 18:58
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I see Hodgson is urging world cup caution. Whilst describing Sterling as breathtaking in training!
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Old 10-06-2014, 19:03
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I'm still puzzled as to why Manaus was chosen as a venue in the first place considering it's climate and location.
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Old 10-06-2014, 19:04
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I'm still puzzled as to why Manaus was chosen as a venue in the first place considering it's climate and location.
Probably bribed FIFA in someway..

I heard one of the stadiums built is in a city whose team only get 1/2k for their matches!
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Old 10-06-2014, 19:09
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But the game has a late kick-off.
That must lessen the impact of the humidity.

Italy does not have a humid climate.
Hot yes (at least in the south of the country). But not humid.
Would they have that much of an advantage - even if it is humid?
Not particularly. But hot, humid weather would suit their slower, languid style more than it does ours. They have changed as well though, they no longer play most of their games at a walking pace like they used to years ago.
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Old 10-06-2014, 19:46
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Not particularly. But hot, humid weather would suit their slower, languid style more than it does ours. They have changed as well though, they no longer play most of their games at a walking pace like they used to years ago.
You could equally say that our younger players would cope with conditions better than Italy's key players (especially Andrea Pirlo - who is not very mobile) if we could impose our style of play on the game
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Old 11-06-2014, 07:44
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I'm not the biggest football fan in the world - snooker is more my thing to watch - but I'd just like to wish England all the best in World Cup 2014. C'mon, England!
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Old 11-06-2014, 08:56
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Can't wait for the world cup to kick off. I think England have a good chance at coming runners up in the group. Hopefully win, if they put up a good fight against Italy!
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Old 11-06-2014, 08:56
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You could equally say that our younger players would cope with conditions better than Italy's key players (especially Andrea Pirlo - who is not very mobile) if we could impose our style of play on the game
Yes, should be ok if they pace themselves. It's if they try to play a high, pressing game that they might run into trouble..that's hard enough to keep up in normal UK conditions.
But they're not stupid, and all possibilities will have been covered..presumably.
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Old 11-06-2014, 09:17
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Love Zonal Marking's team by team preview for the World Cup. Has really good knowledge of the game. This is his conclusion and quick guide to how England might set up.

England: potentially dangerous on the break

Hodgson’s usual gameplan is about sitting deep and breaking quickly, which seems to suit the majority of his players, but England’s transitions haven’t been particularly impressive in recent matches. If this can be solved, however, and Sterling and Sturridge replicate their Liverpool form, England could be both exciting and effective on the break.

It feels like Hodgson’s style acts a leveller. England fare better than you’d expect against strong opposition, but aren’t good at breaking down weak opponents, and it’s easy to imagine them drawing plenty of matches – which won’t be appreciated if they reach the knockout stage, considering their atrocious penalty shoot-out record.

Quick guide

Coach: Roy Hodgson, an old-school manager who concentrates heavily on defensive shape.

Formation: It should be 4-2-3-1, although in the past Rooney’s lack of discipline has made it more 4-4-2.

Key player: Henderson – England need mobility to prevent Gerrard being overrun.

Strength: Good defensive shape and pace on the break.

Weakness: Likely to be exposed in midfield

Key tactical question: How good are the transitions?
http://www.zonalmarking.net/2014/06/...14/#more-10360
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Old 11-06-2014, 10:07
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Not that it matters but this is the team I would like to see put out and told to express themselves. I'd have Chamberlain over Sterling if fit. What is there to lose?

Gerrard sitting and Wilshere playing quick passing football with the other 3 like he does for Arsenal.

.............Hart...........
Johnson...Cahill...jagielka...baines
Gerrard.....Wilshere
Sterling...Barkley....Lallana
Sturridge
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Old 11-06-2014, 10:22
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Sounds like Welbeck is now an injury doubt having picked up a thigh strain in training, but I think Sterling had a chance of being selected ahead of him in the starting line up anyway.
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Old 11-06-2014, 10:38
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Sounds like Welbeck is now an injury doubt having picked up a thigh strain in training, but I think Sterling had a chance of being selected ahead of him in the starting line up anyway.
Must have been all those cartwheels and dancing he was doing with the Brazilians

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27775964
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Old 11-06-2014, 11:06
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Telegraph article on the state of the Manaus stadium has a photo of the pitch. Looks like something at my local allotment.
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Old 11-06-2014, 11:07
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Really hope the pitches in Brazil are as good as the European ones which allow for slick passing and attacking football. Looking at those pictures I can see commentators and managers complaining about the playing surface.
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Old 11-06-2014, 11:48
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Pitch in Manaus: http://metro.co.uk/2014/06/11/englan...great-4757666/
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Old 11-06-2014, 13:07
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Terrible!! I can't believe that a lot of the stadiums are not ready. Sepp Blatter should be more interested in sorting out this mess than lining up the next set of bungs.
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Old 11-06-2014, 13:13
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It was stupid to build a stadium there in the first place.
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Old 11-06-2014, 15:00
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Its amazing how we always seem to get niggles, injuries as soon as a world cup is about to start, its like some kind of curse, its that shirt.
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Old 11-06-2014, 15:20
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Its amazing how we always seem to get niggles, injuries as soon as a world cup is about to start, its like some kind of curse, its that shirt.
Well, other teams have injuries too, it's just we're more focused on England, because, we live here and have to read the endless news coverage!
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Old 11-06-2014, 15:28
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I thought Hodgson said there was nothing wrong with Gerrard
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