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Chelsea Supporters Thread (Part 5)
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RichmondBlue
02-06-2015
Originally Posted by Tip top 2:
“This is why JM is such a successful manager. Many years ago, Liverpool introduced far too many young, inexperienced players into their team and over night went from being one of the best teams in the world to the 'spice boys'. I couldn't agree with Jose more:

http://www.chelseafc.com/news/latest...f-respect.html

Ruben Loftus-Cheek was involved tonight, and the manager had some advice for the midfielder
‘Ruben said he had a pain in his back but what I was feeling was that he only had the pain when Sydney had the ball. When Chelsea had the ball he was playing very well, but when Sydney had the ball I think he was more impressed by watching Matic and Mikel work, instead of him working.

‘So, with Ruben, it’s one step back in terms of my relationship with him. If he doesn’t know what it is to play for me and Chelsea it’s one step back.

‘He has to learn that at 19 you have to run three times more than the others, you have to play to your limits and not play like a superstar with the ball at your feet because this is not Under-18s.

‘The Under-18 competition is too easy for him. He’s too good to play in the Under-18s but I don’t accept that when he’s playing in midfield with Mikel and Matic when we don’t have the ball he doesn’t press, doesn’t have intensity and he’s waiting for everybody else to recover the ball. I don’t accept that in the superstars so how can I accept that in a kid? He has to learn what it takes to play for us.’”

Yes, I'd just been reading Jose's comments about RLC before you posted.
Pretty strong stuff to make public, particularly saying... "So, with Ruben, it’s one step back in terms of my relationship with him. If he doesn’t know what it is to play for me and Chelsea it’s one step back."
But one of Mourinho's greatest strengths has been man-management, so I trust him to know what will work best for different individuals. I also happen to agree with him, RLC had decent games against Liverpool and WBA but he did appear to lack any sense of urgency. While others ( not on here) were saying he was going to be the answer as early as next season, I wasn't so sure. He hasn't yet earned the right for his rather "laid back" approach, maybe it never will..that style doesn't impress Jose.
Eddie hunter
02-06-2015
Originally Posted by Tip top 2:
“This is why JM is such a successful manager. Many years ago, Liverpool introduced far too many young, inexperienced players into their team and over night went from being one of the best teams in the world to the 'spice boys'. I couldn't agree with Jose more:

http://www.chelseafc.com/news/latest...f-respect.html
”

Spot on. The Spice Boys became the Spice Boys in the first place because Liverpool had a hopelessly weak manager in Roy Evans. No such worries with Mourinho and I suspect this will give Loftus Cheek something to think about over the summer. If he comes back ready to work his nuts off it will have been wise words, if he doesn't then he clearly doesn't have the right mentality. Very clever stuff.
Jokanovic
02-06-2015
Originally Posted by RichmondBlue:
“Yes, I'd just been reading Jose's comments about RLC before you posted.
Pretty strong stuff to make public, particularly saying... "So, with Ruben, it’s one step back in terms of my relationship with him. If he doesn’t know what it is to play for me and Chelsea it’s one step back."
But one of Mourinho's greatest strengths has been man-management, so I trust him to know what will work best for different individuals. I also happen to agree with him, RLC had decent games against Liverpool and WBA but he did appear to lack any sense of urgency. While others ( not on here) were saying he was going to be the answer as early as next season, I wasn't so sure. He hasn't yet earned the right for his rather "laid back" approach, maybe it never will..that style doesn't impress Jose.”

It's probably a calculated kick up the backside. Jose can see a future player but only if he plays the way he wants him to.
Conor McHale
03-06-2015
It seems like Cuadrado is on his way out of Chelsea already, what do you guys think about that?

I'm not sure whether it was the club or the player's decision, but I'm a bit surprised he hasn't stayed for longer, thought he would've stayed for at least a season.
Jokanovic
03-06-2015
Originally Posted by Conor McHale:
“It seems like Cuadrado is on his way out of Chelsea already, what do you guys think about that?

I'm not sure whether it was the club or the player's decision, but I'm a bit surprised he hasn't stayed for longer, thought he would've stayed for at least a season.”

You really need a full season but perhaps the player cannot settle here. Maybe language etc.. From what I have seen, if we can get our money back then it's a good deal.
codeblue
03-06-2015
Originally Posted by Jokanovic:
“You really need a full season but perhaps the player cannot settle here. Maybe language etc.. From what I have seen, if we can get our money back then it's a good deal.”

If we sell him for 5 million less than we paid, thats still a good deal.
RichmondBlue
03-06-2015
Originally Posted by Conor McHale:
“It seems like Cuadrado is on his way out of Chelsea already, what do you guys think about that?

I'm not sure whether it was the club or the player's decision, but I'm a bit surprised he hasn't stayed for longer, thought he would've stayed for at least a season.”

I'm not surprised. From the moment we saw him, I thought he looked a bit lightweight for the PL. Of course that can be worked on, but he's 27 years old so would the club or the player have the necessary enthusiasm. If we get anything like what we paid for him, it will be a good deal in my opinion.
codeblue
03-06-2015
Originally Posted by RichmondBlue:
“I'm not surprised. From the moment we saw him, I thought he looked a bit lightweight for the PL. Of course that can be worked on, but he's 27 years old so would the club or the player have the necessary enthusiasm. If we get anything like what we paid for him, it will be a good deal in my opinion.”

It compounds the decision to sell schurrle in January.

Selling Schurrle and KDB were two mistakes.

yes we have become the first team to win the league who balanced the books (which is quite remarkable really) but at a cost of some good players.

We need to take that 100m prize money and invest it right now.

I know we dont want to spend big, but Pogba is the obvious choice for our team.
The_don1
03-06-2015
Originally Posted by codeblue:
“It compounds the decision to sell schurrle in January.

Selling Schurrle and KDB were two mistakes.

yes we have become the first team to win the league who balanced the books (which is quite remarkable really) but at a cost of some good players.

We need to take that 100m prize money and invest it right now.

I know we dont want to spend big, but Pogba is the obvious choice for our team.”

Both was never going to be happy being bit part players.

No point keeping players who are not going to be happy performing the role given to them

Them being a good player or not wont come into it.

Its not a case of we don't want to spend big its a case of does the deal make financial sense there is a difference. 10M can be seen as spending big in the wrong case. We will spend big if the deal makes sense.

Pogba makes no financial sense whatsoever if you take what the media are quoting.

The first question when thinking about buying a certain player is not if he is good enough or not as if we are thinking of buying him clearly he is (unless we are just picking names out of a hat) it has to be does it make sense from a money POV.

We shouldn't go down the Arsenal route of not spending big on anyone or under no circumstances whatsoever BUT nor should we go down the route of outbidding everyone just because we can. Sensible transfer fees and even more important sensible wages. Hazzard as far as I remember is now our highest paid player. No new player coming in (unless they called Messi and Ronaldo) should come anywhere near him wages wise.
RichmondBlue
03-06-2015
Originally Posted by codeblue:
“It compounds the decision to sell schurrle in January.

Selling Schurrle and KDB were two mistakes.

yes we have become the first team to win the league who balanced the books (which is quite remarkable really) but at a cost of some good players.

We need to take that 100m prize money and invest it right now.

I know we dont want to spend big, but Pogba is the obvious choice for our team.”

To be honest, I never liked KDB. He appeared to have a very high opinion of himself that was never reflected in his few performances in a Chelsea shirt. But he's done exceptionally well at Wolfsburg, so good luck to him. I hear Man City may be after him at some enormous fee, but the idea of us coming up against him doesn't exactly fill me with dread.
I was sorry to see Schurrle go, but again he wanted to leave and his market price was never going to be higher after success in the WC. We could perhaps have waited until the summer before releasing him, but Jose doesn't like hanging on to disgruntled players.
The problem was that we then found ourselves short of alternatives with Man City breathing down our neck in the PL. That resulted in the rather panic buying of Cuadrado. It was always a gamble whether he could bring his WC and Serie A form to the PL, but Mourinho obviously thought it was a gamble worth taking.

Pogba ? Like you, I think he would be an exciting signing. There's not many players around of his type, combining physicality with tremendous ball skills. I could really see him going on to become the "perfect" midfield player.
But he's not there yet, and £70m would be an enormous price to pay for future potential.
I'd still like to see it happen at the right price, maybe with some kind of part exchange deal.
Jokanovic
03-06-2015
Thing with transfers is you can't win them all. We got silly money for Luiz, Mata and Lukaku. At the moment you could say none have been really missed.
KDB probably went too cheap.
RichmondBlue
06-06-2015
Chelsea FFP database showing the yearly amortised cost of our players etc.
I thought this was interesting from the "We Ain't Got No History" site. I don't know how accurate the figures are, but whoever put it together certainly worked hard. Of course some of the FFP rules are being relaxed, so it doesn't really tell us how much we can spend. I did read somewhere that we could spend £130m this summer without making any sales ? Not that I'm suggesting we should of course.

http://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.c...a-ffp-database
Butterflies
06-06-2015
Originally Posted by RichmondBlue:
“Chelsea FFP database showing the yearly amortised cost of our players etc.
I thought this was interesting from the "We Ain't Got No History" site. I don't know how accurate the figures are, but whoever put it together certainly worked hard. Of course some of the FFP rules are being relaxed, so it doesn't really tell us how much we can spend. I did read somewhere that we could spend £130m this summer without making any sales ? Not that I'm suggesting we should of course.

http://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.c...a-ffp-database”

Nice find, I have bookmarked this .

I can't believe Mikel earns more than Azpi and Cuadrado will be our fifth most expensive player next season!!!! If we get a decent offer for Cuadrado, we should take the money and run. Purchasing Cuadrado just smacks of panic buying; I wish we had held on to Schurrle until the summer at least. If we're going to buy another RW this summer, I don't want us settling for expensive average players again.
codeblue
08-06-2015
if that website is true, some of the figures are remarkable / horrifying.
Tip top 2
10-06-2015
Originally Posted by Eddie hunter:
“Spot on. The Spice Boys became the Spice Boys in the first place because Liverpool had a hopelessly weak manager in Roy Evans. No such worries with Mourinho and I suspect this will give Loftus Cheek something to think about over the summer. If he comes back ready to work his nuts off it will have been wise words, if he doesn't then he clearly doesn't have the right mentality. Very clever stuff.”

Absolutely. Bob Paisley was the opposite for Liverpool, and a master at psychology, although admittedly less outspoken than Jose Mourhino. Ian Rush once said that due to frustration at a lack of games early on in his career, he asked to leave the club. Expecting Bob to plead with him to stay, Bob nonchalantly said, OK you can leave, or words to that effect. Rush was astonished, and to stuff the words down his manager's .., with nothing to lose, he upped his game, and the rest is history. Bob Paisley apparently had no intention of letting him leave and just wanted to get the best out of him.

Jose is similar imo and I'm sure is just trying to develop a big talent.
Tip top 2
10-06-2015
Griezmann to Chelsea?!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/33082030

Tevez to Athletico. A deal for Griezmann could be struck for £25 million (+ add ons) + Filipe Luis imo for the £43.5 million rated player. It's a better option than Falcao.
codeblue
11-06-2015
anything but falcao!
SegaGamer
11-06-2015
I gotta admit, i'm not liking any of the rumours so far, apart from the Griezmann one of course.

Remy possibly leaving and Falcao coming in.
Felipe Luis possibly leaving and Coentrao coming in.
Douglas Costa possibly coming in even though he is a mid table player at best is something that worries me too.

I don't like these rumours. I personally think if they were to happen we would be weaker next season.
Harry Boat
11-06-2015
Originally Posted by SegaGamer:
“I gotta admit, i'm not liking any of the rumours so far, apart from the Griezmann one of course.

Remy possibly leaving and Falcao coming in.
Felipe Luis possibly leaving and Coentrao coming in.
Douglas Costa possibly coming in even though he is a mid table player at best is something that worries me too.

I don't like these rumours. I personally think if they were to happen we would be weaker next season.”

Another rumour to add to the list is Oscar going to Juve as part of a deal to bring Pogba in.
NinjyBear
11-06-2015
Mourinho's quotes about Falcao fill me with dread. We heard much of the same shit regarding Torres....I can't believe we're about to try it again.
RichmondBlue
11-06-2015
Originally Posted by NinjyBear:
“Mourinho's quotes about Falcao fill me with dread. We heard much of the same shit regarding Torres....I can't believe we're about to try it again.”

Yes, he's quoted as saying "If I can help Falcao reach his level again, I will do it," and "It hurts me that people in England think that the real Falcao is the one we saw at Manchester United."
It could be Mourinho's usual teasing of the media, or perhaps he's serious.

As I said previously, I don't see any problem with Falcao coming as a short term replacement for Didier..at the right price. A considerably cheaper loan deal than United had, with an option to buy perhaps ? It wouldn't be the same as Torres, on his current form it would be more like the gamble we took with Eto'o, with the same expectations.
But I don't want to lose Remy, when he wasn't injured he provided decent back-up last season in my opinion.
codeblue
12-06-2015
Look at demba ba

Given his chance, he has scored 18 in 29 for Besiktas this season!
kana
13-06-2015
Originally Posted by RichmondBlue:
“Yes, he's quoted as saying "If I can help Falcao reach his level again, I will do it," and "It hurts me that people in England think that the real Falcao is the one we saw at Manchester United."
It could be Mourinho's usual teasing of the media, or perhaps he's serious.
”

Hopefully he's just bigging him up so someone else will buy him as they share an agent. Looks like Cech is off to Arsenal, will be sad to see him go
RichmondBlue
14-06-2015
Unless all the rumours are very wrong, it looks as if the Falcao deal is almost completed.

Also talk of Alex Song coming in, presumably as cover for Matic. Might not be a bad move ? He played regularly with Fabregas as a midfield enforcer back in his Arsenal days. He also got in trouble for stamping on Joey Barton..that must be worth something.
codeblue
14-06-2015
That Falcao deal...

1) must be a year loan
2) on substantially less than he was on at United

I personally do not see it as a good idea
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