These players and this manager won us the league last season. They should all be capable of rescuing this situation. Changing manager is not the answer.
Chelsea Supporters Thread (Part 5)
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The most familiar sight in football right now - Ivanovic with his hands behind his back and a gormless expression on his face.
Originally Posted by NinjyBear:
“The most familiar sight in football right now - Ivanovic with his hands behind his back and a gormless expression on his face.”
“The most familiar sight in football right now - Ivanovic with his hands behind his back and a gormless expression on his face.”
Many other managers would have dropped him a long time ago, or moved him to CB. As said many times, Mourhino doesn't seem to have a clue what to do after his second season in charge. It was the same the last time he was hear. He did not know how to change the side into an attacking unit, although then the results were more like 3-3, or narrow 3-2 wins, not strings of losses. With players like Terry at his best, Lampard, Drogba, Essien etc, he was hardly going to fail completely back then. He's clueless at the moment imo, and out of touch. He should at least admit where the problems are, but no..
Anybody with even moderate common sense can see what the problems are. The issues highlighted when he arrived back are still there. He doesn't know how to bring younger players through, and refers to them as 'kids'. Well the kid Januzaj made an impact at Man Utd, and the kid Martial wasn't bad yesterday either. Man City's Nigerian kid, Iheanacho also did pretty well yesterday. Where is Loftus Cheek's impact? Kennedy's?
Mourhino just doesn't do 'youth', it's as simple as that, and with £100 million + invested, that is nowhere near good enough. Then there is the necessary rotation needed, etc, etc. He just doesn't know how to do it. His formula is, build a machine, and then play the same way with the same players until he is sacked. Even then, it's never his fault when results inevitably spiral downwards.
There will be some on this forum who defend him to the hilt, and they appear to be living in the same fantasy land that Mourhino inhabits. The doubts about his return expressed by a few is turning out to be correct. It's not over yet though.
Really funny how people seem to forget we are the current Champions. We were 5 years without a title. Yep, what a bad move it was to bring him back. 
Originally Posted by Jokanovic:
“Really funny how people seem to forget we are the current Champions. We were 5 years without a title. Yep, what a bad move it was to bring him back.”
“Really funny how people seem to forget we are the current Champions. We were 5 years without a title. Yep, what a bad move it was to bring him back.
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Champions change, they adapt, they move on. They don't try and stay rooted in the past. It's a no brainer for most. Obviously not for others. Ancelotti brought us the PL and the FA Cup in the same season. Should he have stayed based on your genius logic? Di Matteo brought us the CL. Something Mourhino hasn't come close to. Should he still be hear? D'oh!
Originally Posted by Tip top 2:
“Champions change, they adapt, they move on. They don't try and stay rooted in the past. It's a no brainer for most. Obviously not for others. Ancelotti brought us the PL and the FA Cup in the same season. Should he have stayed based on your genius logic? Di Matteo brought us the CL. Something Mourhino hasn't come close to. Should he still be hear? D'oh!”
“Champions change, they adapt, they move on. They don't try and stay rooted in the past. It's a no brainer for most. Obviously not for others. Ancelotti brought us the PL and the FA Cup in the same season. Should he have stayed based on your genius logic? Di Matteo brought us the CL. Something Mourhino hasn't come close to. Should he still be hear? D'oh!
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You questioned whether he should of comeback. He won us our first title in 5 seasons.
i guess you didn't celebrate as you were shouting out "it's a mistake coming back"
D'oh
Originally Posted by Jokanovic:
“You questioned whether he should of comeback. He won us our first title in 5 seasons.
i guess you didn't celebrate as you were shouting out "it's a mistake coming back"
D'oh”
“You questioned whether he should of comeback. He won us our first title in 5 seasons.
i guess you didn't celebrate as you were shouting out "it's a mistake coming back"
D'oh
”
With funds at his disposal, Benitez could have won the PL AND challenged in the CL, etc, all playing the sort of attacking football that is Chelsea FC's tradition. We'd still have Mata, we'd still have Luiz. I'd rather have that than watching the embarrassment on show at the moment. It's like watching a Sunday league team, and all because one man's ego is far too big for the club. The club comes first, although it seems that a minority don't agree with that.
Originally Posted by Tip top 2:
“With funds at his disposal, Benitez could have won the PL AND challenged in the CL, etc, all playing the sort of attacking football that is Chelsea FC's tradition. We'd still have Mata, we'd still have Luiz. I'd rather have that than watching the embarrassment on show at the moment. It's like watching a Sunday league team, and all because one man's ego is far too big for the club. The club comes first, although it seems that a minority don't agree with that.”
“With funds at his disposal, Benitez could have won the PL AND challenged in the CL, etc, all playing the sort of attacking football that is Chelsea FC's tradition. We'd still have Mata, we'd still have Luiz. I'd rather have that than watching the embarrassment on show at the moment. It's like watching a Sunday league team, and all because one man's ego is far too big for the club. The club comes first, although it seems that a minority don't agree with that.”
And if your Auntie had bollocks she would be your Uncle etc......
You can't debate in the ifs mate, that's ridiculous even for you.
Honest answer please, how long have you supported Chelsea ?
Sacking Jose isn't the answer, but i wouldn't be surprised when Abramovich is making the decisions, hes shown to be ruthless in the past.
I can't quite place whats going wrong with us right now, i think its mostly poor form, poor fitness and a poor preseason. We should be able to turn it round but at the moment short of a total collapse by Man City, the title is probably out of our reach. Incredible when we are only at the start of September.. weve always been known to be pushing right to the end.
Id also argue weve had an incredibly difficult fixture list for our first 6 games, and we have Arsenal next. I wouldn't put it past Jose to make a statement and bounce back against Arsenal.
I can't quite place whats going wrong with us right now, i think its mostly poor form, poor fitness and a poor preseason. We should be able to turn it round but at the moment short of a total collapse by Man City, the title is probably out of our reach. Incredible when we are only at the start of September.. weve always been known to be pushing right to the end.
Id also argue weve had an incredibly difficult fixture list for our first 6 games, and we have Arsenal next. I wouldn't put it past Jose to make a statement and bounce back against Arsenal.
Originally Posted by Jokanovic:
“And if your Auntie had bollocks she would be your Uncle etc......
You can't debate in the ifs mate, that's ridiculous even for you.
I ain't getting into the Rafa debate. He's long gone thankfully.
Honest answer please, how long have you supported Chelsea ?”
“And if your Auntie had bollocks she would be your Uncle etc......
You can't debate in the ifs mate, that's ridiculous even for you.
I ain't getting into the Rafa debate. He's long gone thankfully.
Honest answer please, how long have you supported Chelsea ?”
A lot longer than you by the looks of things. What is this? Fascists forum? If you can't handle another person's point of view, go elsewhere pal. A lot of genuine fans want to watch entertaining football played by players who are worth something approaching the £200 k / week they are paid. OK, a vocal minority don't want that. Unlike you, I can handle the fact that other 'fans' have a different point of view. You obviously can't.
Originally Posted by Tip top 2:
“With funds at his disposal, Benitez could have won the PL AND challenged in the CL, etc, all playing the sort of attacking football that is Chelsea FC's tradition. We'd still have Mata, we'd still have Luiz. I'd rather have that than watching the embarrassment on show at the moment. It's like watching a Sunday league team, and all because one man's ego is far too big for the club. The club comes first, although it seems that a minority don't agree with that.”
“With funds at his disposal, Benitez could have won the PL AND challenged in the CL, etc, all playing the sort of attacking football that is Chelsea FC's tradition. We'd still have Mata, we'd still have Luiz. I'd rather have that than watching the embarrassment on show at the moment. It's like watching a Sunday league team, and all because one man's ego is far too big for the club. The club comes first, although it seems that a minority don't agree with that.”
Based on what actual evidence?
Originally Posted by Tip top 2:
“A lot longer than you by the looks of things. What is this? Fascists forum? If you can't handle another person's point of view, go elsewhere pal. A lot of genuine fans want to watch entertaining football played by players who are worth something approaching the £200 k / week they are paid. OK, a vocal minority don't want that. Unlike you, I can handle the fact that other 'fans' have a different point of view. You obviously can't.”
“A lot longer than you by the looks of things. What is this? Fascists forum? If you can't handle another person's point of view, go elsewhere pal. A lot of genuine fans want to watch entertaining football played by players who are worth something approaching the £200 k / week they are paid. OK, a vocal minority don't want that. Unlike you, I can handle the fact that other 'fans' have a different point of view. You obviously can't.”
No they want to watch a team that wins titles.
Originally Posted by Tip top 2:
“A lot longer than you by the looks of things. What is this? Fascists forum? If you can't handle another person's point of view, go elsewhere pal. A lot of genuine fans want to watch entertaining football played by players who are worth something approaching the £200 k / week they are paid. OK, a vocal minority don't want that. Unlike you, I can handle the fact that other 'fans' have a different point of view. You obviously can't.”
“A lot longer than you by the looks of things. What is this? Fascists forum? If you can't handle another person's point of view, go elsewhere pal. A lot of genuine fans want to watch entertaining football played by players who are worth something approaching the £200 k / week they are paid. OK, a vocal minority don't want that. Unlike you, I can handle the fact that other 'fans' have a different point of view. You obviously can't.”
Oh I can mate, but you can't debate on the ifs, that is ridiculous .
If we signed Messi I would fancy us to win everything, even with your mate as manager.
If you can't answer the question then you are obviously one of the new breed. Not used to not winning so throw the toys out the pram when it all goes wrong.
Originally Posted by Tip top 2:
“An honest assessment. Dixon's post goes a bit far, and I don't agree with doon's response, but you've put it in a nutshell really. A bigger problem though is Jose's denial. That is worrying, very worrying, and leads me to believe that he won't last, and that will be sad. Imo, he's half way out the door. Any honest person, fan or otherwise can see that the opposition know exactly what the team will do (e.g. ball up to Ivanovic, same old cross and nobody's there), the opposition play with a lot more passion and intensity and the team appear to be lacking in any real desire.
Matic looked better today, and Pedro tried, but elsewhere, Terry looks very poor at times, and Ivanovic just doesn't seem bothered if the opposition get crosses in past him. As I have said many times, and the concern when he arrived back, I'm not convinced that Jose can change a successful team to keep the success going, or to bring even more trophies. It appears that he can build a team that does well for two seasons, and then has no idea what to do after that, other than move to another league in another country.
A new manager will change a few key things, and imo the team will suddenly respond, not least because they're not being asked to do the same old routine game after game.”
“An honest assessment. Dixon's post goes a bit far, and I don't agree with doon's response, but you've put it in a nutshell really. A bigger problem though is Jose's denial. That is worrying, very worrying, and leads me to believe that he won't last, and that will be sad. Imo, he's half way out the door. Any honest person, fan or otherwise can see that the opposition know exactly what the team will do (e.g. ball up to Ivanovic, same old cross and nobody's there), the opposition play with a lot more passion and intensity and the team appear to be lacking in any real desire.
Matic looked better today, and Pedro tried, but elsewhere, Terry looks very poor at times, and Ivanovic just doesn't seem bothered if the opposition get crosses in past him. As I have said many times, and the concern when he arrived back, I'm not convinced that Jose can change a successful team to keep the success going, or to bring even more trophies. It appears that he can build a team that does well for two seasons, and then has no idea what to do after that, other than move to another league in another country.
A new manager will change a few key things, and imo the team will suddenly respond, not least because they're not being asked to do the same old routine game after game.”
It's all very well picking out the older players who've lost form, but at least the likes of Terry and Ivan have done a great job for us over the years and sooner or later their time will be over, What i found so annoying yesterday was the attitude of the likes of Zhouma. He's been given a chance and should be busting a gut to try and establish a place in the team , yet he ambled around the pitch like he was playing with mates on the beach.
Giving the ball away around the half way line and barely bothering to trot back. He was nothing short of a bloody disgrace!!!Back to Jose. I do think he has huge problems on his hands to get us a top four place.
The only thing in our favour is Liverpool continue to be shite.
How on earth can he keep giving the utterly useless Mikel games instead of the likes of Loftus
It was blatantly obvious last season that without Hazard firing there was nothing else for us going forward. We have nothing on the bench as game changers. We badly needed a couple of players in midfield who could actually score and create. Pedro was a late panic buy, but he looks what he was - a decent sub for a quality team.
Costa is a real worry now. After a great start he has tailed off terribly in 2015 scoring less than a handful of goals.
He lacks the ability of the top class players who can create and score goals for themselves. He looks like he needs chances handed to him on a plate to score, and with nobody creating anything, he's now no better than Torres. Is Jose like a Mike Tyson - only good when things are going his way? He has his biggest job ever in turning things around, so time will tell i guess.
Originally Posted by Jokanovic:
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If you can't answer the question then you are obviously one of the new breed. Not used to not winning so throw the toys out the pram when it all goes wrong.”
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If you can't answer the question then you are obviously one of the new breed. Not used to not winning so throw the toys out the pram when it all goes wrong.”
Just like me then? Or so you think.
Doesn't matter that i was going when there was 10,000 and we were 20 mins form going into the old 3rd division.Because i don't see things the same way as you, i'm not a real Chelsea fan.
Originally Posted by dend:
“Sacking Jose isn't the answer, but i wouldn't be surprised when Abramovich is making the decisions, hes shown to be ruthless in the past.”
“Sacking Jose isn't the answer, but i wouldn't be surprised when Abramovich is making the decisions, hes shown to be ruthless in the past.”
Who would replace would be such a big problem.
Originally Posted by Dixon:
“It's all very well picking out the older players who've lost form, but at least the likes of Terry and Ivan have done a great job for us over the years and sooner or later their time will be over, What i found so annoying yesterday was the attitude of the likes of Zhouma. He's been given a chance and should be busting a gut to try and establish a place in the team , yet he ambled around the pitch like he was playing with mates on the beach. Giving the ball away around the half way line and barely bothering to trot back. He was nothing short of a bloody disgrace!!!
Back to Jose. I do think he has huge problems on his hands to get us a top four place.
The only thing in our favour is Liverpool continue to be shite.
How on earth can he keep giving the utterly useless Mikel games instead of the likes of Loftus
It was blatantly obvious last season that without Hazard firing there was nothing else for us going forward. We have nothing on the bench as game changers. We badly needed a couple of players in midfield who could actually score and create. Pedro was a late panic buy, but he looks what he was - a decent sub for a quality team.
Costa is a real worry now. After a great start he has tailed off terribly in 2015 scoring less than a handful of goals. He lacks the ability of the top class players who can create and score goals for themselves. He looks like he needs chances handed to him on a plate to score, and with nobody creating anything, he's now no better than Torres.
Is Jose like a Mike Tyson - only good when things are going his way? He has his biggest job ever in turning things around, so time will tell i guess.”
“It's all very well picking out the older players who've lost form, but at least the likes of Terry and Ivan have done a great job for us over the years and sooner or later their time will be over, What i found so annoying yesterday was the attitude of the likes of Zhouma. He's been given a chance and should be busting a gut to try and establish a place in the team , yet he ambled around the pitch like he was playing with mates on the beach.
Giving the ball away around the half way line and barely bothering to trot back. He was nothing short of a bloody disgrace!!!Back to Jose. I do think he has huge problems on his hands to get us a top four place.
The only thing in our favour is Liverpool continue to be shite.
How on earth can he keep giving the utterly useless Mikel games instead of the likes of Loftus
It was blatantly obvious last season that without Hazard firing there was nothing else for us going forward. We have nothing on the bench as game changers. We badly needed a couple of players in midfield who could actually score and create. Pedro was a late panic buy, but he looks what he was - a decent sub for a quality team.
Costa is a real worry now. After a great start he has tailed off terribly in 2015 scoring less than a handful of goals.
He lacks the ability of the top class players who can create and score goals for themselves. He looks like he needs chances handed to him on a plate to score, and with nobody creating anything, he's now no better than Torres. Is Jose like a Mike Tyson - only good when things are going his way? He has his biggest job ever in turning things around, so time will tell i guess.”
BIB: As an LFC fan, sorry to intrude, but that line made me grin - we are saying the exact same regarding you. Let's hope we both buck up soon, like you, we would love to know what the &^*(& is going on.
Originally Posted by Dixon:
“Just like me then? Or so you think.
Doesn't matter that i was going when there was 10,000 and we were 20 mins form going into the old 3rd division.Because i don't see things the same way as you, i'm not a real Chelsea fan.”
“Just like me then? Or so you think.
Doesn't matter that i was going when there was 10,000 and we were 20 mins form going into the old 3rd division.Because i don't see things the same way as you, i'm not a real Chelsea fan.
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20 mins ? Think it was less that that when Clive Walker got a late winner, at Bolton I think.
Perhaps you were standing near me against Cambridge and there were less than 10000 there mate. You have added a couple of thousand.
I am surprised that considering you knowing those grim times you aren't a bit more tolerant.
Apologies for doubting you.
Originally Posted by Orchideam:
“BIB: As an LFC fan, sorry to intrude, but that line made me grin - we are saying the exact same regarding you. Let's hope we both buck up soon, like you, we would love to know what the &^*(& is going on.”
“BIB: As an LFC fan, sorry to intrude, but that line made me grin - we are saying the exact same regarding you. Let's hope we both buck up soon, like you, we would love to know what the &^*(& is going on.
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Yep, Jose & Brendan both under pressure. If we don't both buck up soon it will be seen as a 6 pointer in November
Originally Posted by zebedee:
“Wonder if the tinker man would fancy coming back ?
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“Wonder if the tinker man would fancy coming back ?
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He's another one who apparently would of won the league IF he had stayed
While were on the tinkerman, our team should be shown a Vid of the Leicester/Villa game, how to fight when your up against it. Would any of us fancy ourselves to beat Villa with a 2 goal start at the moment, with vastly superior players?
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