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Chelsea Supporters Thread (Part 5)
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Dixon
01-10-2015
Originally Posted by The_don1:
“How many flukes for Willian now? Think we need to ask Talkshite”



Now you are just being silly!
Two flukes and one good free kick.

He played well! He looked much more aggressive and confident in taking people on and had the ''end product'' i have been talking about all of this time.
If he continues to perform like this then i will be more than happy!
The_don1
01-10-2015
Originally Posted by Dixon:
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An article in a newspaper mate. You know, something written by someone who spends 6 days a week being paid to know what's going on in football.”

No someone is paid to fill their pages with the chosen narrative.

If they was reporting what was going on they would reveal sources etc and where they gained this "information"
RichmondBlue
01-10-2015
Originally Posted by Draca_Noir:
“Do you think the poor form from Matic is contributing to Terry's poor form? Last year he had a better shield in front of him, with that gone he's more exposed?”

Yes, it's probably contributed to Terry's poor form. JT is outstanding at reading the game, but he probably needs to play very conservatively to get through 90 minutes these days.
Matic was terrific for us, week after week for so long, it was quite a shock when he lost form. With the Ivanovic problem, and Hazard being below par as well, it's no wonder we're struggling.
Jokanovic
01-10-2015
Originally Posted by Dixon:
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An article in a newspaper mate. You know, something written by someone who spends 6 days a week being paid to know what's going on in football.”

What next, are you going tell us you heard it on Talksport, the radio equivalent of The Times ?
Dixon
01-10-2015
Originally Posted by The_don1:
“No someone is paid to fill their pages with the chosen narrative.

If they was reporting what was going on they would reveal sources etc and where they gained this "information"”

You know full well why they don't reveal their sources/insiders.
The_don1
01-10-2015
Originally Posted by Dixon:
“You know full well why they don't reveal their sources/insiders.”

Yep.

Because most of the time as has been proven time and time and time again that its made up nonsense and this is not with regards to Chelsea but all the big clubs

If we signed half the players these sources/insiders had (or any team) we would need a training ground the size of out new ground.

They don't reveal their sources because they can cover themselves when the nonsense they come up with comes to nothing
NinjyBear
01-10-2015
Salah has signed a permanent deal with Roma.
Dixon
01-10-2015
Originally Posted by The_don1:
“Yep.

Because most of the time as has been proven time and time and time again that its made up nonsense and this is not with regards to Chelsea but all the big clubs

If we signed half the players these sources/insiders had (or any team) we would need a training ground the size of out new ground.

They don't reveal their sources because they can cover themselves when the nonsense they come up with comes to nothing”

Clubs have their eyes on quite a few players each year because they know a lot of thier interest doesn't result in an actual signing for one reason or another.
The_don1
02-10-2015
Originally Posted by Dixon:
“Clubs have their eyes on quite a few players each year because they know a lot of thier interest doesn't result in an actual signing for one reason or another.”

Of course but that still is nothing more then a poor excuse (and a overly simplistic one) for a industry that has turned its back on quality and turned to quantity and become sensualist's for the dumbed down masses instead of being journalist's.

In Chelsea's case alone all you need to do is look at the utter nonsense during the Costa crap and to a even bigger extent the rubbish with which members of our medial team sit on the bench.
Dixon
02-10-2015
Originally Posted by The_don1:
“Of course but that still is nothing more then a poor excuse (and a overly simplistic one) for a industry that has turned its back on quality and turned to quantity and become sensualist's for the dumbed down masses instead of being journalist's.

In Chelsea's case alone all you need to do is look at the utter nonsense during the Costa crap and to a even bigger extent the rubbish with which members of our medial team sit on the bench.”

Of course there are some 2nd rate hacks out there, just as there always has been. However, there's a lot of really good journos/ football media out there as well!
The competition is huge today, so they can no longer get away with spending half the day down their local getting half stoned.
The_don1
02-10-2015
Originally Posted by Dixon:
“Of course there are some 2nd rate hacks out there, just as there always has been. However, there's a lot of really good journos/ football media out there as well!
The competition is huge today, so they can no longer get away with spending half the day down their local getting half stoned.”

It don't matter how good the they are or how bad they are. Its about how much space they are required to fill every single day. There really is not enough actual important newsworthy things happening in one sport for them to fill the space they need to fill everyday so they need to just fill the space with anything. They have to invent news and stories and make tiny nothing "stories" into massive ones and at the same time dumbing it down to its most basic levels.

Where as in reality there is probably maybe at most one page actual "news" about the premiership today the print industry alone has to fill 10 times that. Unless the back page (and I mean page not pages) are about the FA's backing of the candidate who only differs from Blatter is that he was a very good footballer then it's more then often going to be cheap and lazy reporting aimed at idiots.

There is just not enough real news in the entire world of football never mind in one counties game for the current media output. The more you have of something the quality suffers.

I bet more colum inches and more radio and tv are given over to the pointless letter from Dyke then actual decent sports news just because it feeds the masses.
Tip top 2
02-10-2015
Originally Posted by Draca_Noir:
“Do you think the poor form from Matic is contributing to Terry's poor form? Last year he had a better shield in front of him, with that gone he's more exposed?”

It's all getting a bit ridiculous with Mourhino and his comments isn't it? What's he going to do next? Replace the 'kid' Matic with another 'kid'?! As said many times, there's something seriously wrong at the club, and imo Mourhino is at the centre of it. Maybe he didn't want some of the summer signings, who knows? £21 million for a world class, quick lb, but he won't play him?!

Also, for all the support he gets on this thread, who agrees with the manager that Falcao was a good signing? Name one 'fan' here who agreed with the manager on that one.
Draca_Noir
02-10-2015
Originally Posted by Tip top 2:
“It's all getting a bit ridiculous with Mourhino and his comments isn't it? What's he going to do next? Replace the 'kid' Matic with another 'kid'?! As said many times, there's something seriously wrong at the club, and imo Mourhino is at the centre of it. Maybe he didn't want some of the summer signings, who knows? £21 million for a world class, quick lb, but he won't play him?!

Also, for all the support he gets on this thread, who agrees with the manager that Falcao was a good signing? Name one 'fan' here who agreed with the manager on that one. ”

I'm not sure why you've replied to my post with the above, it's not what I was asking.
codeblue
02-10-2015
Originally Posted by Tip top 2:
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Also, for all the support he gets on this thread, who agrees with the manager that Falcao was a good signing? Name one 'fan' here who agreed with the manager on that one. ”

You have to put it into context.

At the end of the season we had Costa, Remy and Drogba

At the start of the season we had Costa, Remy and Falcao

As a starting striker, Falcao is not an option. But as a cheap risk/ 3rd choice striker (we only play 1 up front) then its not an awful decision by Jose.

Selling KDB and Schurrle, now THEY are awful and shockingly bad decisions.
Buying Cuadrado, awful decision.
Insisting on playing Ivan - baffling.
Public spats with the staff - not necessary.
Selling cech to arsenal - probably out of his hands

We are missing leaders on the pitch - ive been saying this for weeks. This is our #1 problem.

Cech - leader
Terry - Captain, leader, legend
Lampard - leader
Drogba - leader, legend

Heck, even Luiz was looking to be a future captain.

Now the closet we have is Ivan, who is now undroppable because of this even though he is hopelessly out of form.

Without Ivan (and possibly cahill) who else is dragging this team up, or steadying the ship when needed?

They literally look lost.
The_don1
02-10-2015
Originally Posted by codeblue:
“You have to put it into context.

At the end of the season we had Costa, Remy and Drogba

At the start of the season we had Costa, Remy and Falcao

As a starting striker, Falcao is not an option. But as a cheap risk/ 3rd choice striker (we only play 1 up front) then its not an awful decision by Jose.

Selling KDB and Schurrle, now THEY are awful and shockingly bad decisions.
Buying Cuadrado, awful decision.
Insisting on playing Ivan - baffling.
Public spats with the staff - not necessary.
Selling cech to arsenal - probably out of his hands

We are missing leaders on the pitch - ive been saying this for weeks. This is our #1 problem.

Cech - leader
Terry - Captain, leader, legend
Lampard - leader
Drogba - leader, legend

Heck, even Luiz was looking to be a future captain.

Now the closet we have is Ivan, who is now undroppable because of this even though he is hopelessly out of form.

Without Ivan (and possibly cahill) who else is dragging this team up, or steadying the ship when needed?

They literally look lost.”

But you are not putting the sales of players like KDB into the right context.

KDB looked distinctly average during his time at Chelsea and even now I have yet to see what all the fuss is about. Schurrie again good player but nothing that special decent to very good at times but since he was never going to be first team level it was going to be hard to keep him.

I was a big fan of Luiz and would like to have kept him BUT the fee made it very difficult to turn down. If it had been a sensible price then yes I think you could argue it might have been worth keeping him but it was a silly bid so the logical decision was to sell
Draca_Noir
02-10-2015
Originally Posted by codeblue:
“You have to put it into context.

At the end of the season we had Costa, Remy and Drogba

At the start of the season we had Costa, Remy and Falcao

As a starting striker, Falcao is not an option. But as a cheap risk/ 3rd choice striker (we only play 1 up front) then its not an awful decision by Jose.

Selling KDB and Schurrle, now THEY are awful and shockingly bad decisions.
Buying Cuadrado, awful decision.
Insisting on playing Ivan - baffling.
Public spats with the staff - not necessary.
Selling cech to arsenal - probably out of his hands

We are missing leaders on the pitch - ive been saying this for weeks. This is our #1 problem.

Cech - leader
Terry - Captain, leader, legend
Lampard - leader
Drogba - leader, legend

Heck, even Luiz was looking to be a future captain.

Now the closet we have is Ivan, who is now undroppable because of this even though he is hopelessly out of form.

Without Ivan (and possibly cahill) who else is dragging this team up, or steadying the ship when needed?

They literally look lost.”

May I ask, why Cech and Lampard aren't included as legends? Is it because they moved to rival clubs or you just missed it by accident?
codeblue
02-10-2015
Originally Posted by The_don1:
“But you are not putting the sales of players like KDB into the right context.

KDB looked distinctly average during his time at Chelsea and even now I have yet to see what all the fuss is about. Schurrie again good player but nothing that special decent to very good at times but since he was never going to be first team level it was going to be hard to keep him.

I was a big fan of Luiz and would like to have kept him BUT the fee made it very difficult to turn down. If it had been a sensible price then yes I think you could argue it might have been worth keeping him but it was a silly bid so the logical decision was to sell”

KDB looked fine, its just that Jose didnt like him - as he didnt think he was a "winner". He did fantastically well in Germany and has looked Citys best player so far!

Schurrle was great for us, i really rated him. He was very direct, wanted to go past players and score. My only criticism was that he was a bit selfish in front of goal. Cuadrado was a massive step backwards for more money. He is now a world cup winner, with 20 goals in 47 games for Germany!
codeblue
02-10-2015
Originally Posted by Draca_Noir:
“May I ask, why Cech and Lampard aren't included as legends? Is it because they moved to rival clubs or you just missed it by accident?”

No, im happy to call them legends for the club. If we had a statue of Super Frank outside the ground i would be very pleased!

I would also take Cech back in a heartbeat, he is being wasted by Wenger!
The_don1
02-10-2015
Originally Posted by codeblue:
“KDB looked fine, its just that Jose didnt like him - as he didnt think he was a "winner". He did fantastically well in Germany and has looked Citys best player so far!

Schurrle was great for us, i really rated him. He was very direct, wanted to go past players and score. My only criticism was that he was a bit selfish in front of goal. Cuadrado was a massive step backwards for more money. He is now a world cup winner, with 20 goals in 47 games for Germany!”

If you get offered £18m for a player who is "fine" you take it. We are looking for players who are better then that. Even if he was City's best player there is still little or no evidence he is offering value for money at £18m never mind £55m.

If we sold him for £10m then yes but £18m for a player of his level and his position in the squad at the time was fantastic business
carefree_blue
02-10-2015
Originally Posted by codeblue:
“Selling KDB and Schurrle, now THEY are awful and shockingly bad decisions.”

I would have kept Schurrle if possible, a useful player to have in the squad and gave us something different. I think he wanted to leave because he wasn't starting enough games, so it may have been hard to persuade him to stay anyway. The sale of him was made all the worse as you say by the fact that his replacement Cuadrado was so poor.

KDB was a player I had no issue with us selling though, we made a tidy £11m profit on a player that was well down the pecking order at the time, and hadn't impressed much when he'd played (pre-season aside). The problem was not that he didn't have potential to become a good player but that he was unlikely to fulfil it being on the fringes for us, so needed to leave to get regular football elsewhere and develop. Similar to Matic. Maybe we could have loaned him out again, but he'd already had a couple of loan spells by that point, so I would think by the time he joined Wolfsburg he was after something more permanent anyway.
The_don1
02-10-2015
Also the sales of player like KDB and Schurrle also meant we could fund much more important transfers while keeping well within the FFP rules.
carefree_blue
02-10-2015
Originally Posted by The_don1:
“Also the sales of player like KDB and Schurrle also meant we could fund much more important transfers while keeping well within the FFP rules.”

FFP was more of an issue back then, but I wouldn't say that those particular sales funded more important transfers. Schurrle was replaced with Cuadrado and Salah replaced KDB.
codeblue
02-10-2015
Originally Posted by carefree_blue:
“FFP was more of an issue back then, but I wouldn't say that those particular sales funded more important transfers. Schurrle was replaced with Cuadrado and Salah replaced KDB.”

Thats why schurrle's sale pains me so much.

To get rid of a proven young player in the PL and waste the transfer fee (and a few more million) on the likes of Cuadrado.

Sack the scout.

Salah was not a bad buy, he is a really good player that was not given a chance. He has pace to burn, and would give us an alternative that we so badly need on the bench.

We only have 1 player who frightens defenders, and he is hopelessly out of form. Its simlpy not good enough.
Tip top 2
02-10-2015
Originally Posted by codeblue:
“KDB looked fine, its just that Jose didnt like him - as he didnt think he was a "winner". He did fantastically well in Germany and has looked Citys best player so far!

Schurrle was great for us, i really rated him. He was very direct, wanted to go past players and score. My only criticism was that he was a bit selfish in front of goal. Cuadrado was a massive step backwards for more money. He is now a world cup winner, with 20 goals in 47 games for Germany!”

Context, and I'm backing Jose on this one, which shows I don't just hate the guy. KDB? He didn't want to stay and did not want to compete for a starting place. Getting £17 million + add ons was very good business for a player who kept asking to leave. It was similar with Schurrle who wanted more playing time but didn't justify it with his performances. Cuadrado? It was a calculated gamble that didn't pay off. It happens. I have levelled a lot of criticism at the manager, but not about those decisions.

Falcao? The team need world class competition for Costa, not a risky 3rd choice striker imo.

Re' leaders, I agree that the team need them, and Luiz was in that mould. Look at how Mata is doing at Man U! Don't say I didn't tell you. Another first class player with a fantastic attitude.
The_don1
02-10-2015
Originally Posted by Tip top 2:
“Context, and I'm backing Jose on this one, which shows I don't just hate the guy. KDB? He didn't want to stay and did not want to compete for a starting place. Getting £17 million + add ons was very good business for a player who kept asking to leave. It was similar with Schurrle who wanted more playing time but didn't justify it with his performances. Cuadrado? It was a calculated gamble that didn't pay off. It happens. I have levelled a lot of criticism at the manager, but not about those decisions.

Falcao? The team need world class competition for Costa, not a risky 3rd choice striker imo.

Re' leaders, I agree that the team need them, and Luiz was in that mould. Look at how Mata is doing at Man U! Don't say I didn't tell you. Another first class player with a fantastic attitude.”

Which "world class" competition would you suggest? Sticking of course within the cost of the Falcao buy
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