your post didn't make sense.. I pointed it out but you had no answers. Fair enough.

"Good effort" it's the language you use when you kid has come last in the school race.

Let's take the semi final on its own. If SAF or Jose had been in charge of that time on that day we would have won it. It was not though a lack of ability or mental attitude it was lost though total mismanagement and would be a excellent example if you wanted to see a 90 minute explanation of his time at Chelsea

At the time and quite rightly there was no time for learning and improving. The problem was not the manager and the team making mistakes it was the type of mistakes they was making and why they was making them.

You can not compare it to City as the bigger picture is very very different.

Not saying he did not do a fantastic and amazing job because he did but in business that's not always good enough.

Rodgers and Rafa where the same. They had their chances to win the league and both totally blew it with their lack of tactical awareness.
You must of cheered when Gerrard slipped right ? A brilliant day for all true Chelsea fans.

Jose is staying. Why do you keep going on ablout different managers

So is taking a long walk off the pier, don't make it a good one

Which "good" players should have been given a chance? And where are these "good" players now? Is being "good" an acceptable standard to get into the Chelsea team of those years?

You suggestions seems to suggest that we should give youth a chance for no other reason then giving youth a chance even if there is little or no substance behind the plan. You don't give young players a chance they make chances if they are good enough

No matter how many times you mention the style is not going to change the fact that in our position it matters not one jot the style we play

I think it's just one of the sad facts of the modern game that managers of the elite clubs in Europe will never be able to experiment with youth. Let's see if Rafa brings in any promising young players at RM..I doubt it, maybe for a cup game but that'll be about it.
With the top teams in Europe, a young player has to be almost guaranteed ready for first team action these days, and even then he has to make an immediate impact.
If we're honest, we as fans demand nothing less. I can remember the days when we were more forgiving of a young player trying to make the grade, how many games would we allow RLC or Kenedy if they weren't performing to the level we've grown to expect ?

I don't agree. Some examples: Lionel Messi, Barca'. Don't you remember his early days as an unknown against Chelsea in the CL? Where Barca' taking a risk? He came through their youth system. Varane at Real, Bale at Tottenham, Kane at Tottenham.. Ronaldo at Man U!!

Sorry R'mond, but it takes balls and skill yes, but no, it's not impossible. Imo, RLC, Kennedy and maybe Traore should be getting some minutes on the pitch in the PL. Christensen could have played some minutes this season as well. Let's face it, he couldn't have been worse than Ivanovic. The trade off between lack of experience and the opposition not being able to combat a player they don't know is tricky, but not impossible. Mourhino is just too cautious, far, far too cautious.

Also: Wayne Rooney at Everton, Ross Barkley at Everton, John Stones, ..

Sterling at Liverpool, Lallana at Southampton along with several others..

Scholes, Beckham etc is not the modern game, agreed there..

Benitez knew just when to rest a player, when to rotate for cup games, and managed Lampard brilliantly. He dropped Terry. So what? he achieved all of his goals, and Terry played some stinkers before getting dropped back then.

There's a fine line between tinkering, rotating and utilising a squad. It's not easy. Some of us on this thread could have managed Chelsea in Mourhino's third season last tenure, the team picked itself.

Mourhino imo does not have the ability, skill, balls or know how when it comes to bringing young players through. Agree to disagree there..

So Tip Top. As a "Chelsea" fan did you celebrate any of Jose's many trophies at Chelsea?
You have such a downer on Chelsea's greatest ever manager that I am guessing you didn't. That's a shame for you.

Now we comparing being good enough to get into the Spur's/Liverpool and Everton team to getting into the Chelsea team.

There is no gamble when you are not going to realistically win anything or expected to

As soon as you saw Rooney play at youth level, You knew he was something that comes along once in a age. He was that special. He was not head and shoulders above everyone else on the pitch he was playing on a different planet to them. He was not given a chance he went out there and grabbed it

Also, everyone knew Messi was going to be a genius.
Ridiculous comparisons for sure.

Wasn't it Mournho who signed varane and then gave him his chance?

It's just lumping all young players picked no matter how good they was at the time and no matter at what level the team they got into into one big massive pot. Utterly and completely ridiculous.

Would not even call them comparison's as they are all so completely different in every single important factor

You mean eased him into a regular starting sport and played him regularly? or gave him his debut and then loaned him out / ignored him after he played very well? I'm thinking Kennedy, Christensen and others who Mourhino has failed to give a real chance to.

Come on be honest, would we have Harry Kane, Raheen Sterling, Adam Lallana and many other world class English players in the England side if Mourhino had been in charge of them? Be honest..

Yes but come on, a 16 / 17 year old Rooney under Mourhino?! He calls 21 year old players kids just because of their age. He would have been incapable of taking Rooney seriously no matter how good he was. The same with Sterling..

You don't have to play young players regularly in every game. You need to give them 'minutes on the pitch' as SAF used to say and gradually ease them into a starting spot. Mourhino can't do that, they're kids plain and simple, and they're not ready as far as he's concerned. They're too immature.

So instead he sticks with the players who played well last season, and who become so predictable to the opposition, that watching Chelsea becomes like watching a group of Sunday league has beens who can't play together. OK, a bit exaggerated, but you get the point

Diego Simeone on his way as predicted?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...e-jose-6611514

The board will give Jose a bit more time, but I think he'll be going soon..

DS knows Costa very well, and is a very direct, no nonsense man who can also get the team defending very well.

The game has changed since those SAF days. The game has changed massively since he retired. Not only that you are talking about two different clubs at two different levels playing in two very different leagues playing under two very circumstances.

The new minutes on the pitch are loan deals and that is much more sensible and logical. Why give them minutes when you can give them entire matches? Costa and Thibaut Courtois both benefited from loan deals and although we sold Matic and bought him back a loan deal would have done the same thing.

So you suggestion is for us to play or buy players who are not good enough for Chelsea just so we don't become predictable or overspend on players who are?

Here's one for the Rafa fans on the Chelsea thread. Totally owned by Sir Alex. FACT.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...-Ferguson.html

Not good enough for Chelsea?! You're honestly suggesting that Harry Kane, Raheem Sterling, John Stones and Ross Barkley, to name a few players in the PL who were brought through youth systems and NOT loaned out are not good enough for the Chelsea side?! Is your role on this site to just wind people up constantly? Are you a Chelsea fan? I'm having serious doubts.. You're not suggesting that they are not the modern era either are you? I wouldn't be surprised. Don't tell me the game has changed 'massively' in the last few weeks

Stones is a possible but Kane? Nope will be found out this season, Sterling? Laughable, overpriced and even more overrated Barkley decent player but much better players out there.

The only reason they are being talked about is their nationality

I'd be careful about dismissing the world class tag out of hand. England have just qualified for the EC's with more points than any other European team including the holders Spain, and I'd play Kane if we had him ahead of Costa at times, and on form always ahead of Remy and Falcao

All totally irrelevant unless we win the tournament which we won't. The best we can hope for is to get out the group stages.

As always do the easy stuff without any problems but when it comes to getting the job done it ends with complete and utter failure

I can't believe there is a conversation where it's suggested Kane, Sterling and Lallana are world class. It's bizarre but I best not say too much. I don't what to upset anyone.

Going back to UTD not wanting Jose a couple of years ago.
It was none other Gan Bobby Charlton who said it in a tv interview. He said "we don't want his type around here."

For the umpteenth time, I heard again today the reason why Jose doesn't last long at clubs . He promises the players they will win major trophies if they do things his way. He lives up to that promise but after a major trophy or two his ways wear very thin. These are talented, skillfull players he's dealing with and they become tierd of be so restricted.
Jason Cundy says Hazard is totally fed up. He just wants to be able to go out and be allowed to do his stuff.
All of the panel think Jose is finished at Chelsea.

And for the umpteenth time all your information seems to be he said she said.

Is Roman on the panel? If not their opinions are about as relevant and important as my elderly aunts

It wouldn't surprise me if you think man landing on the moon was one big media hoax.

Sir Bobby - connected to UTD.
Jason Cundy - connected to Chelsea.


Jason, is actually rather good!
He has no hidden agendas.
His opinions are fair, open minded and he doesn't jump on bandwagons or go OTT.
He spoke very matter of factly about the situation Jose finds himself in.