But last season attacking football did not work for Utd and City, Season before that attacking football did not work for Liverpool.

Overall Jose's tactics have worked. The number of titles he has won has proven that.

You are looking at a very small picture. That's fine when you are talking about most teams in the premiership but when you are talking about a brand/team like Chelsea you have to look at it from a very different POV.

So winning the league only buys you three months grace at Chelsea before you are a failure?

Well it does seem to be with "Chelsea" supporters who are more interested in talking about past Liverpool players and managers, which is bizarre on its own.

For the rest of us, we give them much longer and appreciate the trophies won.

Not nearly as strange as some 'fans' chanting against the team during the last manager's tenure, when we were desperate for points. It was some of the best football the club have played with Mata, Hazard, Oscar, Luiz and Ramires all clicking.

I've got no problem with your view, but be careful on here, you can get attacked for expressing an opinion by so called 'fans' whose memory begins and ends with Mourhino. Anything before that is ancient history apparently..

I went to the games. Did not hear any chanting against the team.

You will never change their mind.

From my own observations, the fans were behind the team but hated Rafa.

Of course that was not 100% of us, but a huge majority.

I watched every game. A vocal minority, no more than about 5 to 10% of people at the grounds chanted against Chelsea, and on several occasions just after the team had scored. That is disgraceful, and players at the time urged all fans to get behind the team. If 5 to 10 % is 'a huge majority', I doubt that anyone else apart from a few people on here who spend most of their time goading will side with you.

I'm a Chelsea fan, not a Mourhino fan, and that's based on the history of the club, not just the past several years. For me, the club's best season was after Jose had left, and we won the double under Ancelotti, winning the last game 8 - 0 against Wigan, and winning the FA cup again. The club's first FA cup / Premier league double and with a PL record of goals scored. That is football, and the type of football that typifies Chelsea FC's history.

The second best season was when we won the CL, again without Mourhino.

I did as well and there wasn't but what can you do when posters make stuff up to try and prove a point.
Its actually a ridiculous and daft point to make. Fans chant against managers, players, owners all the time but never the club they support.

I watched every game as well. I watched them from the stands did you?

It was more then 5%-10%.

Chelsea's history is totally irrelevant. Its the future that's important.

Carlo's did a very good job but if you look at the season after we should have done better. It's not what he did that is the issue, It's what he did not do and why he did not do them that's the problem.

Winning the Champion's League was fantastic BUT considering where we finished in the league it was not good enough. The League has to be the most important thing every single season. Finishing outside the top 4 no matter what is not good enough. unless the manager has a proven track record.

i dont think any team in the league can state that they should win the league.

Its all about the top 4, thats the only think you should be able to guarantee. The PL is different in that respect to every other top flight league in the world.

Tuesday 20th October, 19.45

I don't do the infantile form a gang of three thing and attack people whose views I don't like. That was left in the playground, and even then it was rare.

So tonight's team? Will Hazard play? Difficult one, because he has fallen well and truly out with the manager, and that's official. I don't blame him, and there was too much pressure on him to win games for the team, when that responsibility should be spread around other key players.

Great that Costa's back to his best, and glad that Ivanovic is still injured. Rahman wasn't flying last game, but he was a lot better that Ivanovic has been playing, so I can't understand why he hasn't played more.

This is not an easy match, and the team will have to stick together. A tough test, and I'm not gonna predict..

I agree nobody can state they are to "win the title" but I think a team like Chelsea should be able to say they "can" win the title(in most circumstances) . Arsenal have been in the top 4 but rarely have them been in position that they have a chance of winning the title. I still never believed Liverpool was going to win the title a couple of seasons ago. Being top 4 but no chance of winning the title is pointless. Yes you entry into the cash cow that is the Champion's League and is important but both eyes have to be on a credible title challenge 8/9 times out of 10 seasons

I think every team in the top 4 now has to accept that they may not win the league for a few years.

Arsenal havent won it in 10, and it could be another 10 before they do. Same could be true of United (as strange as that may sound). The competition is too great between the 4 of us. I don't think we will win it in the next 2 years, and there is probably nothing we can do about it - if we spend 200m city or united or arsenal will spend 300m.

Most (trying to be democratic here) would agree that the major trophies are the PL, the FA cup, the CL and the EL.

Claudio Ranieri: - 0

Jose Mourhino: 2005 - 1, 2006 - 1, 2007 - 1. That's 1 trophy / season (average);

Guus Hiddink: 2009 - 1. 1 trophy / season;

Carlo Ancelotti: 2010 - 2, 2011 - 0. That's 1 trophy / season. Same as Mourhino;

Roberto Di Matteo: 2012 - 2. That's 2 trophies / season. We have a winner!

Rafa Benitez: 2013 - 1. Again, 1 trophy / season. The same as Mourhino;

Jose Mourhino: 2014 - 0, 2015 - 1. 0.5 trophies / season.

Where the theory comes from that Jose Mourhino has won all of Chelsea's major trophies, I have no idea, or that Chelsea's recent history is all Mourhino. The stat's say it all. Carlo was just as successful, and Di Matteo over a shorter period admittedly was the most successful manager in the clubs recent history.

Liverpool jumped from 7th to 2nd scoring over 100 goals.

City finished 1st scoring over 100 goals. Attacking football won the day that year.

The only manager out of those that shouldn't have been sacked was Carlo. Jose is a way better manager than any of the above (bar Carlo), you'd have never won the league with any of the others. I can't believe any Chelsea fan would want Jose gone. Even if you don't finish fourth, I'd give him some money and next season to try and get you out of this mess. I'd have money on him turning it around given the funds to purchase the players he needs.

2nd is not winning anything.

City won the league yes but my point is coming 1st scoring 100 goals or coming first scoring 30 goals is no different. Coming 1st is all that matters

Again just posting statistics is pointless unless you are going to tell the entire story of those seasons.

Yep, you are right.
Most Chelsea supporters don't want him gone.
Its only those who are bizarrely hung up on Rafa. Why ? There's a question......

Begovic; Zouma, Cahill, Terry (c), Azpilicueta; Ramires, Matic; Willian, Fabregas, Hazard; Diego Costa

Blackman, Baba, Mikel, Oscar, Traore, Kenedy, Falcao


Rahman back on the bench FFS.

Kinda feels like a must win after the porto defeat...

Zouma at left back seems a bit weird, don't think i like it.

You only have to look at our bench to see we are lacking a bit in squad depth... especially in defence at the moment.

Cannot say its a surprise considering his poor defensive display at the weekend. He improved as the game went on but still think stepping up such a massive level in the course of a couple of days is a big ask.

Don't look like conceding, but still blunt at the other end....

Same for the second half.

Hazard and Matic played well.

Massive improvement on anything we seen this season.

Step in right direction