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Old 25-10-2015, 11:54
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But the facts don't bear that out, do they ? Our biggest problems are in defence. Our attack has not been prolific, but we've scored the same number of goals as Man Utd and only three less than Arsenal. In defence only one team (Norwich) has conceded more.
Over the last 10/15 years we have always built on a solid defence. We looked ok last season, but age and loss of form appears to have caught up with a couple of the players who were so reliable.
I do agree with you about the summer transfer window. Even without the benefit of hindsight, did anyone really think, hand on heart, that bringing in Falcao was a good idea ? I did say at the time that it didn't matter too much, it was only one season etc. But looking back, why did we waste the time and money for a player who is never going to recapture his old form.
Even the summer-long pursuit of John Stones now looks a total waste of time. If we had bought him, would it have made a great deal of difference ? I don't think it would have altered our current situation. Stones has looked a bit shaky recently, he would have been a good investment for the future, but wouldn't have solved our current problems in the back four.
I know Don disagrees, and I always respect his opinion, but I do think the summer transfer window was a bit pathetic for us really..aside from Begovic.
You often write some good points R'mond, and I agree with some of them.

Chelsea FC as I'm sure you know have a history of attractive, attacking football. Yes? The Ancelotti spell, and even the Benitez spell weren't that far back. Remember some of Luiz's wonder goals? and we won a trophy. We could have won the PL the following season with Benitez in charge, who knows. Mata was a stalwart, and I don't see Fabregas doing any more tackling than he did. £200 k / week?! Last year he was worth it, this year?!

Look at Barcelona, Bayern, Real, the Manchester clubs. They're playing that type of football, and their attack becomes their defence imo. What team can win against a full throttle Bayern with Roben, Muller, Lewandowski, Costa, and others all running at them?

Imo, many of Chelsea's squad are fed up with defend, defend drilling. They are bored, and rightly so. The team needs to start to use controlled attacking football. Imo, any genuine fan can see that.

If they can't or won't, they're more Mourhino fans than Chelsea fans imo.
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Old 25-10-2015, 11:59
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But the facts don't bear that out, do they ? Our biggest problems are in defence. Our attack has not been prolific, but we've scored the same number of goals as Man Utd and only three less than Arsenal. In defence only one team (Norwich) has conceded more.
Over the last 10/15 years we have always built on a solid defence. We looked ok last season, but age and loss of form appears to have caught up with a couple of the players who were so reliable.
I do agree with you about the summer transfer window. Even without the benefit of hindsight, did anyone really think, hand on heart, that bringing in Falcao was a good idea ? I did say at the time that it didn't matter too much, it was only one season etc. But looking back, why did we waste the time and money for a player who is never going to recapture his old form.
Even the summer-long pursuit of John Stones now looks a total waste of time. If we had bought him, would it have made a great deal of difference ? I don't think it would have altered our current situation. Stones has looked a bit shaky recently, he would have been a good investment for the future, but wouldn't have solved our current problems in the back four.
I know Don disagrees, and I always respect his opinion, but I do think the summer transfer window was a bit pathetic for us really..aside from Begovic.
Oh I agree the window was poor but I rather a poor window then we just go out with the normal scatter gun approach Chelsea have followed since Roman bought us.

We had two clubs in England alone that needed players of a similar level as us who would have been willing to spend more then us never mind the rest of Europe and those clubs have bigger resources then us and was more logical moves from a playing week in week out POV and getting key player roles.

So we have use different strategies when it comes to getting players in. We have to go more long term ones in that we start doing the work now for next seasons ones. That's what we did bringing in the likes of Costa. The trouble was for this season there was very few of those deals available. Now Utd's and City's teams are further along their rebuilding process their might be more available.

Why I liked the Stones deal was no matter how badly he played for us we could have gotten most of our money back and plus if he played wonderful for us it was unlikely a club would try and buy him as that sort of fee is not common for a defender. It made sense from a playing POV we need someone to take JT's place and it made sense from a business POV.

The window was bad but no worse then every window since Roman bought us BUT the window before was very good so I think the new strategy should be given more time
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Old 25-10-2015, 12:06
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That's what he said, and I follow the club very closely. He also said as genuine fans will know, that existing squad players could improve and that Oscar could be another Hazard this season. Crazy.

My reply was that after every season, no matter trophies are won, the club HAS to continue to invest and improve, and have competition for every position. There is no standing still.

Ironic that Moses played very well pre season, and was loaned out to .. West Ham. They beat us with their second choice winger.

The club needs to get back to attacking football, as I have said many times. I'd bring in Ancelotti as care taker manager asap and try and get a top 4 finish. Maybe Hazard would then decide to stay at the club.

Robben left under Mourhino, De Bruyne refused to play for him, and now Hazard. The club will start to struggle to attract world class talent if he stays, and it's nothing personal.
When last season finished Mourinho said that we needed to make signings to improve the squad and to keep moving forward. As the new season got closer and we hadn't signed anyone, he changed to saying he was happy with the squad and we didn't need to sign anyone. Standard management.
^ This. Mourinho can be blamed for a lot of things this season, but lack of transfer activity should not be one of them. He already gave the club his report on the season back in April and if you think an experienced coach such as Mourinho could not see the same problems as us, then you must be incredibly naive.
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Old 25-10-2015, 13:05
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You often write some good points R'mond, and I agree with some of them.

Chelsea FC as I'm sure you know have a history of attractive, attacking football. Yes? The Ancelotti spell, and even the Benitez spell weren't that far back. Remember some of Luiz's wonder goals? and we won a trophy. We could have won the PL the following season with Benitez in charge, who knows. Mata was a stalwart, and I don't see Fabregas doing any more tackling than he did. £200 k / week?! Last year he was worth it, this year?!

Look at Barcelona, Bayern, Real, the Manchester clubs. They're playing that type of football, and their attack becomes their defence imo. What team can win against a full throttle Bayern with Roben, Muller, Lewandowski, Costa, and others all running at them?

Imo, many of Chelsea's squad are fed up with defend, defend drilling. They are bored, and rightly so. The team needs to start to use controlled attacking football. Imo, any genuine fan can see that.

If they can't or won't, they're more Mourhino fans than Chelsea fans imo.
If we were all together in the pub, I'm sure we could have a long (and friendly) discussion about what constitutes "good football". But I do think you are wrong in buying into this myth that Mourinho teams play dull, defensive football. I certainly thought we played some great football in our title winning seasons of 2004/5 and 2005/6. We also played some lovely football up until January last season.
Mourinho may be a pragmatist, but I don't see anything wrong with that. He puts winning first, not losing comes second, and providing entertainment a long way third. That's what I want from a manager.
I can't remember many teams that were successful playing dull, defensive football anyway. Perhaps Arsenal with George Graham, but I'm sure their fans would disagree.
I remember the Leeds side in the 70's were often criticised, but I always admired their style of play. Ruthlessly efficient but also capable of playing some wonderful football. They should have won more than they did.
We've had the Mata discussion before, I was bitterly disappointed when we sold him. I also have my doubts about Fabregas. Same as that fan said in the link you gave, I think he has made the midfield considerably weaker, unless he's coming up with lots of regular assists, he appears a luxury we can't afford at the moment.
In the other link you recently posted, Bayern had Arturo Vidal and Douglas Costa playing. Now there's two signings who would have useful for us. I've always been a big fan of Vidal, he collects cards but would have given us some much needed "bite" in midfield.
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Old 27-10-2015, 19:30
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Good to see us put out a strong side tonight. Hopefully Baba will have improved massively from his previous game or he could be in trouble.

Glad Oscar starts.
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Old 27-10-2015, 20:05
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Decent start from us.
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Old 27-10-2015, 20:37
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Not a bad game so far. We look a bit more like our old selves tonight.
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Old 27-10-2015, 20:44
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Some improvements so far.

Nothing major but as much as we can realistically expect
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Old 27-10-2015, 21:35
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Remy! We deserved that!
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Old 27-10-2015, 22:27
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Whod have guessed-most of us.
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Old 27-10-2015, 22:28
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Not a bad game so far. We look a bit more like our old selves tonight.
yep you certainly do
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Old 27-10-2015, 22:29
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Anyone on codeblue ....... lookout tonght ?
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Old 27-10-2015, 22:32
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Not a massive shock. Knew Eden would miss. All the skill in the world but lacks the mental strength that his talent needs

But played so much better then we have all season. They showed some fight at least
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Old 27-10-2015, 22:32
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Shame to lose on penalties, but there were some positives to take from that game. One of our better performances this season, and we were the better side. We certainly didn't look like a team that weren't playing for the manager, despite what some people have been saying of late.
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Old 27-10-2015, 23:40
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Yes, it was a shame to go out on penalties. I didn't see the game, but caught some of it in the radio. Sounds like we played pretty well ?
With Arsenal going down 0-3 to Sheffield Wednesday, I feel a bit better already. But they are probably concentrating on finishing fourth as usual.
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Old 27-10-2015, 23:54
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Lack of a cutting edge cost us but without Costa we know that's a issue
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Old 28-10-2015, 00:07
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Yes, it was a shame to go out on penalties. I didn't see the game, but caught some of it in the radio. Sounds like we played pretty well ?
Yes we did play quite well, a step in the right direction. Stoke scored a good goal but other than one smart stop from Begovic they didn't really pose much of a threat. Butland was the busier keeper. As the_don1 says we just lacked that scoring touch to turn our superiority into a win.
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Old 28-10-2015, 00:11
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Lack of a cutting edge cost us but without Costa we know that's a issue
It's an issue with Costa.
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Old 28-10-2015, 00:16
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My only comments from tonight's match....

Rahman needs to start on Saturday. Zouma is not a RB.
Kenedy needs to be on the bench for league matches from now on. At least.
Ramires can piss off.
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Old 28-10-2015, 00:26
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My only comments from tonight's match....

Rahman needs to start on Saturday. Zouma is not a RB.
Kenedy needs to be on the bench for league matches from now on. At least.
Ramires can piss off.
Can I add one? (not that it really needs saying!)

Remy should always be chosen over Falcao. At least he knows how to score a goal when he comes on.
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Old 28-10-2015, 07:16
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My only comments from tonight's match....

Rahman needs to start on Saturday. Zouma is not a RB.
Kenedy needs to be on the bench for league matches from now on. At least.
Ramires can piss off.
But on the strength of the Villa game nor is Rahman. He looks OK when we play with attacking fullbacks but if it comes to defending and it will against Liverpool he falls short
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Old 28-10-2015, 07:18
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Well I don't think they can say the players aren't putting in the effort for Jose.
We arent getting the rub of the green at the moment but do agree about the lack of cutting edge.
Decent performance though Mikel slows the game down far too much.
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Old 28-10-2015, 07:19
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It's an issue with Costa.
True but without Costa at the moment we have very little chance of scoring or forming a opportunity. With him we might have a opportunity and that's better then what we are doing at mo
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Old 28-10-2015, 07:40
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Can I add one? (not that it really needs saying!)

Remy should always be chosen over Falcao. At least he knows how to score a goal when he comes on.
I don't know what Mourinho was thinking signing him. I was so excited when he went to United but the player that arrived was Falcao in name only. I did wonder if perhaps it was just one of those unlucky things and if he moved he would kick on but it's clearly not happening and in truth it never was. If you replaced Falcao with a player of the ability he used to have it would make a big difference to either Man Utd or Chelsea.
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Old 28-10-2015, 11:15
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I don't know what Mourinho was thinking signing him. I was so excited when he went to United but the player that arrived was Falcao in name only. I did wonder if perhaps it was just one of those unlucky things and if he moved he would kick on but it's clearly not happening and in truth it never was. If you replaced Falcao with a player of the ability he used to have it would make a big difference to either Man Utd or Chelsea.
The Falcao of Porto would have perhaps taken us to a league title challenge last season, such was his talent at the time, instead, we got the one after his injury on the French Cup, and he was not only a shadow of his former self, but just an imposter.

Why Chelsea got him in, even on loan after his season with us, when it was clear as day that his time had past was a mystery.

Remy is a far superior player, and in terms of Chelsea, I would have in their position, done more to have persuaded Drogba to stay on, rather than swapping him for Falcao.
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