We looked like we did not know what to do when we went ahead.

They just cannot cope with pressure.

They are playing with massive stones around their necks and they don't look like they know how to remove it.

Is bringing in another manager the solution? I really don't think so. They need to learn how to deal with the pressure or they won't get anywhere near where their talent could take them.

Is there really someone out there that there that has more chance of winning titles? If we fast forward to 5 years time who is going to back someone over Jose to have titles under their belt? Yes we can trot out the same list of names but who would you put your house on? Yes at the moment its looking bad but looking at the bigger picture I would still back him over everyone else apart from SAF.

Carlo's and Guss age count against them for me. By the time of the opening of the new ground they are going to start to be thinking about retirement and the clubs focus needs to be entirely on that not looking for managers etc. Going backwards is not necessary a bad thing as long as we have the resources that enable us to move forwards as and when we can.

With any long term business plan there are going to be setbacks. Its not those setbacks that are the problems but how we deal with them and solve them.

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There has been some utter drivel spouted about the season so far but this is the biggest

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Agree. Not a Chelsea fan but I still don't want him sacked because the man is box office and even though it's probably his worst period in management I'm sure if anyone can turn it round he can. He does have to quit with the moaning though. Yes some decisions are going against him. Even though I'm a Liverpool fan Lucas was lucky to stay on but so was Costa. If this bad run does continue then how long will Roman give him? The title has already gone and they're 10 points from 4th. Would Roman accept being outside top 4 and give him another season? Hope he does.

I back Jose 100%, i think hes a great manager, one of the best thats ever been in the game. He does look a bit lost at the moment, hes never been in a situation like this, usually things go his way. There is probably lots of reasons why we are in this position, but i think we need a bit of a reality check, its still early in the season. Yes we are not going to win the league but top 4 is still a real possibility if we get our act together. We are not going to get relegated.

I think it would be wrong to sack him, but he does need to start getting results again. He will be sacked if he keeps losing.

In my opinion, the players are playing awfully, theres really none that you can single out as playing well at the moment, part from maybe Willian. Right across the team there is poor performances, Hazard is terrible right now, virtually anonymous yesterday, says a lot that Kenedy an 18 year old came on and looked far and away a better player. Ofcourse there are others too, Fabregas, Oscar, Ivanovic, Matic even Costa all looking like a shadow of their former selfs.

Hard to understand whats going on, why are they playing so poorly? Is the manager no longer motivating them? Do they just not care if they win or lose now? Whatever it is, they need to have a big look in the mirror and just get it sorted. You could see real passion, a drive to win yesterday from the Liverpool players, but there was nothing from ours. Perhaps the dressing room is lacking characters to drum the place up right now, part from Terry i just don't see where the leadership will be coming from. Before we had big players in Lampard, Cech, Drogba even Luiz who always gave 100%, the players just now really aren't.

Do you think Jose's negative attitude could be have a averse affect on the players? His interview yesterday after the game wasn't good at all. I know sometimes he says things in interviews to deflect attention away from his players especially if they played bad but this seems different.

Definitely. I don't think he realises that the players we have now are nothing like the ones we had in his first spell. The 'us against the world' mentality won't work when your squad is made up of mentally weak players who disappear when the going gets tough, as opposed to the likes of Drogba, Essien, Terry, Lampard, and Ballack who would fight for everything until the last kick of the match. That team never knew when they were beat, whereas this team is f**ked if we concede even one.

He needs a new approach as well as some new tactics. Acting like a paranoid loon clearly isn't working.

A trusted source claims that some players are not giving 100% for the team and it's purely down to Mourhino. That's how it looked yesterday, and as said a long time ago, imo he is NOT going to turn it round. If he doesn't resign, imo that's pure selfishness, and will do even more damage to the club.

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The stats yesterday said everything, and Liverpool under Jurgen Klopp fully deserved to win the match. Chelsea's players are better on paper and are just not prepared to give 100% for a manager whose only tactics are defend defend.

If I ever met Jose, I'd shake his hand, and say that the best, most memorable teams in the history of football built from the back and then attacked predominantly. That's winning football.

History wise, some say that under Ranieri, there was too much change. I agree, and Jose brought the opposite and won trophies for a while. The club needs balance now, not lurching from one extreme to the other.

I'm aware that Jose's Dad has been ill, and if that is a major reason for his behaviour, then he could have taken a sabbatical. Imo, that is not the main reason, and he needs to leave.

So he should resign and put them in even more trouble since there isn't anyone out there to take over. At least with him there they'll no doubt finish in top 6.

Oh please are we dealing with children?

The players are or should be professionals and should not play or win for the manager, that's some 1960's football ideal. They are not there to enjoy themselves or play how they want to play but to do a job. If the proven experienced Manger with a track record of success tells a bunch of players who are mainly not proven to defend then that's what they do (although this Jose's.a defense manager has been proven time and time again to be nonsense).

They are there to do a professional job no matter if they love the manager or throw darts into a picture of him. If they are not able to be professional? Then they we find those who are

Agreed. Most of us have had to work for bosses that we're not keen on, but we get on with it and still do the best job we can do. If any of the players don't want to work with Mourinho then they can submit a transfer request. And even if we do appoint another manager there's a fair few that need shipping out anyway, who either aren't good enough or as we've now discovered can't be counted on when the chips are down.

Well, something has gone badly wrong. I've been struggling to remember a team from the past who went backwards as rapidly as Chelsea have this season. Can anybody remember one, even from the days prior to the Premiership ?
We weren't just champions last season, we supplied about half a dozen of Premiership's team of the season. The back four was so solid, Matic was the best defensive midfield player in the PL, Fabregas was the king of assists, and Hazard was fast becoming one of the best players in the world. The rest of the team weren't too shabby either. Teams like that don't just collectively collapse in a few months..do they ?
Yes, there's still a long way to go this season, but is anyone feeling optimistic ? I would actually be happier if we knew there was some reason for our peculiar loss of form, even if turns out to be a falling-out with Jose. I know pressure and fear can effect performance, but we still have some experienced professionals in our squad. Whatever the cause, it seems to have spread through the team like a virus !

I think you are spot on and that's why I think just sacking Mourinho is simplistic unless the reasons for everyone's decline is identified.

Absolutely. If there are actually players not trying then they should be the ones leaving. End of. It's an affront to all paying supporters.
I heard the accusation made this morning and Ray Wilkins didn't really believe it. It's an easy thing to chuck out there when so much is going wrong.

A professional sportsman who even mentions losing in a positive manner is not even good enough to be playing for a amateur outfit.

But I have to say its not a surprise. Many current players at the very top level have it too easy nowadays. They know their talent will always ensure they will be playing at the very top no matter how poor their attitude is. They start believing their own hype.

Costa has escaped a(nother) ban for his stupidity on Saturday. Getting sick of him to be honest. Great start for us, but nowhere near sold on him as a long-term option.

Agreed. He's a liability, who's been poor for quite some time now. Take the goals out of his game and you're just left with the silly antics.

In late breaking news.

I have been at work since 8am. I like my manager so remain productive at work all day. Which is a shame as last nights episode of The Walking Dead is longer then normal so if I did not like my manager I could use that as a excuse not to do my work and watch that instead

Did you think this should of happened under AVB when many senior players decided to stop playing to force Roman's hand?

Similar situations but also quite different. One is a proven successful manager and one is not. You have to judge each situation on its own. AVB was always a massive risk. But it was clear to see he was out of his depth. It was too much of a big jump for him at the time.

Yes they was out of order and it was said at the time that Roman let it be known that the players was out of order.

It is very different questioning the methods of someone like AVB then questioning one of the most successful managers around.

I agree but for me what the players did to AVB was bang out of order.

And it was said at the time by the board (according to the same sources who are reviling what players are thinking etc).

It was out of order but with all due respect to AVB I not sure he is good enough to manage at club like Chelsea. Think it would have been different if he had come instead of Jose when he first came to Chelsea but the level of the club when he came just made it a bad fit. It was just a bad appointment, There was faults on all sides from the players from the board and from AVB himself.

CL match coming up, and imo it's going to be more of the same. A group of world class players who are just not prepared to give 100% for a manager who is far too cautious, far too negative and far too conservative with his approach to the game of football. Capello might be a good choice, and he knows Terry well which appears to be key in getting the team playing well.

Ancelotti? Not convinced he can do well in the PL without a good coach alongside him and I doubt Wilkins is coming back.

When it comes to long term managers, maybe that's just not going to happen in the modern game?

World class? Don't see how any player can be considered world class if they are unprofessional and chuck their toys out.

Not one of the players is world class. We have a number of players who could be world class within the next couple of season if they get their heads down but at the moment they are just a bunch of quite talentend players who have an awful lot to learn

If true then Roman needs to step in and sack them. Simple as that.

The last time I checked playing for a top club like Chelsea is an honour and the players do not give less than 100% simply because they have some sort of weird issue going on with an otherwise highly successful and proven manager. Why should Jose be forced out by this? Allow it to happen with Jose and it can easily happen with any other manager. The players should never have that much power.

Falcao ruled out for a few weeks.

If they hadn't mentioned it would we have noticed?