And none of us is surprised, shambles.

It must be a nightmare, wake me up when it's over.

Loftus-Cheek would be mental to sign a new deal with us. If he can't get on the pitch now, he never will.

Yep, these players have been given their chance. Jose must shake this up.
Far too much tippy tappy play as well.
the midfield is a shambles.

Didn't see the game earlier but it sounds like much of the same old….


I agree with this. We shouldn't be looking to change manager, it's certain players that need clearing out as we've now discovered they're bottlers that can't be relied upon at all.

CB, you have just undermined any decent point you have ever made. Don't say I didn't tell you what the problem was at the start of the season. It's not gloating, it's fact. Get real. Pride is one thing, but come on.. Have the honesty to admit when you're wrong, or do you want the club to suffer damage that will take a long time to rebuild?

Did the pretend fan say something?

I agree, there are a few players who should be looking at their contribution so far this season. But there are other issues as well, where was the urgency, the leadership on the pitch ?
We need a few players capable of taking the game by the scruff of the neck and pushing others to show some fight. Too many players just look resigned to what seems to be happening, and that attitude appears to be spreading.
Jose doesn't help, clutching at straws looking for excuses after games. Like yesterday. Forget it Jose, it might have been marginally offside, and we might have got a hand-ball decision. But we were playing Bournemouth, at home ! Don't embarrass us still further.

I get the impression that too many players believe that class will tell in the end, and things will just turn around without any extra effort. That's not how it works as we know, on paper we shouldn't be in the position we are with the quality of players we've got, but the results don't lie.

I can't believe that any 'fan' would want a man to stay who has clearly lost control of the squad. Do you want a relegation battle for the rest of the season? Where you one of the 'fans' chanting against Rafa when he was doing a fantastic job under pressure?

Fan? I'm not convinced.

Yawn.

A real fan doesn't continually big up managers with a Liverpool connection at every opportunity.

A real fan doesn't revere winning a Europa League cup under Rafa more than a Premier League title under Mourinho.

A real fan doesn't blame the current manager for Matic not getting enough opportunities first time around when we all know he wasn't even at the club then.

And so on…. (do we have all day?)

Just give it up Tip Top. Everyone can see through you and your "act".

What we need to remember is

9
25
14
4

Those are the points we have finished behind the leaders (and even when we last won the league it was only by one point).

We have continued to wallpaper over the cracks when it comes to the league for a number of years. Its been a issue for a few years now.

Much has been made of Rafa getting top 4 but there is no point being in the top 4 when we was so far from 1st spot. Its no different then telling little Johnny at school sports day he did well coming 4th in the race but ignoring that there was only 4 boys in the race and the other 3 boys had finished the race and gone home for diner before Johnny had finished the race. Winning the Europa League is no different then being awarded a fair play trophy or something its pointless when you take into consideration the league. Now if we had finished 2,3,4,5 points behind the leaders and won the EUROPA cup then yes you could argue it was a decent season.

But our league form has been bad for a number of years (even the season before Carlo won it I think we was 7 points behind).

This is why Jose's job was so much harder then the first time. We could not continue the previous way of massive investment and disregarding managers ever over season, Yes bought a few success stories but not enough for the investment put in over the years. There was always going to be steps forward and steps backwards. The difference between Jose and many other managers is for them a couple of steps forwards is a cup where as for Jose its the title or finishing a couple of points behind the leaders (or nearer then most managers) which is more of a measure of success. We have a bunch of very talented players and that will never be enough for league success.

We have to manage what we have got no matter how badly we do. Spending our way out of this cannot be the answer no matter how bad it gets. As we will only end up here again sooner rather then later at least until we the revenue stream from the new ground coming in. We have a bunch of talented players but they lacking the most important trait if you want to be a successful league team. Many are lacking professionalism. Give a top manager a team of professional talented players he will win titles. Give a manager a team of talented players and you will have some success but at the level it should be? Not a chance

He was never doing a fantastic job. He was doing what he does best, The least acceptable level possible

Yes I agree with this, it seems week after week there's a reason other than our performance not being good enough for why we lost a game. I don't think it sends out the right message to the players, it's excusing them, and that's where he doesn't do himself any favours. Having caught up with the highlights and seen both incidents, it's not like either of them were clearcut as you say. I don't think the hand-ball was deliberate to be fair.

Yep. A fantastic job is not taking over a team in title contention 4 points from the top and finishing 14 points behind.

As for the Europa win how many opportunities to win a cup did he have? World Club Cup, League Cup, FA Cup he all had a shot at too. He had more opportunities to win a cup that season than would usually be the case.

Its a tough call. Are they able to cope with having the blame (and rightly so) put on them? Would it weigh them down even more? Are they able to handle it? A big part of me thinks no they could not While it paints Jose in a bad light I not sure it really matters at the moment. No matter what he says will be used in the way people wanted it to be used in. Is it the right tactic to use? For me its 50/50. Either tactic could work or backfire just as much as the other.

Fair point. It is a tough call as you say, as I don't think publically criticising them seems to have worked either, as much as some of them deserve it. Ideally he'd say as little as possible after games, and save it for the dressing room, but then the knives will be out for him regardless like the last time he refused to play the media game.

Personally at the moment that's the route I would take.

I have never seen the point of interviews after the games. The reporters ask dumb questions. The managers give even worse answers and then the media (and some fans)take those answers and mould them into their answers. They are only of use to those people who sit on their sofa and cannot cope for the next game to start for their next "football fix". They offer absolutely no benefit to the job they doing. The time is better spent in the dressing room or on the coach heading back after an away game.

Anyone think Poccetino may be under consideration by Chelsea or Utd if/when their current bosses walk or are pushed?

I'm surprised there are not rumours linking him... Been damn impressive since coming to England... Prising him away from Levy is another thing altogther of course.

^ Wouldn't have thought so. He's not achieved anything of note yet.

He is one of those "names" that will prob be linked sooner or later the media prob have not got to the P's yet in their recycle the same stories index.

Still not shown me anything out of what is expected yet.

If he gets 3rd and we looking for a manager (hopefully we wont be) then he might be worth looking at but not yet

Yes, but completely fresh start, looks to play attractive football and someone who they could plan for a "project" with...

Fair enough, may be a season or so too soon, and could possibly et the chance to move to a top 4 spanish or Italian club first...
Saying that, tottenham have as good a chance as any this season to make it in to top 3/4... Its probably their ambition going forward which will determine whether he wants to move on

Has to be 3rd for me.

If Chelsea are out of the running that leaves Utd,Arsenal and City. Utd according to every man and his dog are rubbish and boring and lucky and yada yada yada so that should leave Spurs in a very good place. If he is a top class manager and he needs to be to be considered for jobs like Utd and Chelsea then that is the least he should be doing.

I think we need to see how his current "project" at Spurs develops first, before considering him. He seems to be doing a solid job so far but as I said before hasn't really achieved anything yet.

The last thing we need is another AVB, and let's not forget he'd actually won a few trophies before coming here, unlike Pochettino at this stage.

Poccetino to Chelsea makes no sense.

Firstly it would involve sacking the most successful manager in Chelseas history in order to bring in a man that has won nothing and is making a massive step up. Secondly it involves a manager leaving a job where he seems to be getting a bit of time to build something to take on a job where he will have none. He will be promised time but the same fans who are shouting for Mourinho to go wont give him 5 mins before they will want him out.

Can you imagine what you be said by these people? "What did he do to deserve the job?", "He has won nothing".

Managers at Poccetino's stage in their career would be mad to go anywhere near Chelsea unless they want a pay off because the most likely outcome is looking for a job in a years time.

Chelsea is not and never has been a project. Its a "get results or get out" job.