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Chelsea Supporters Thread (Part 5)
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The_don1
17-12-2015
Originally Posted by Inspiration:
“Yep if Jose can't get Chelsea to work then something is seriously rotten at that club. Assuming of course that he wanted to make things work.”

Like the players I think that comes down to professionalism again.

Jose is a natural winner. I think winning is in his DNA so yes I think he did wanna make things work.

Maybe "things" was very different was this time around from his first time around in terms of the professionalism of the players.
RichmondBlue
17-12-2015
I'm feeling angry and bitter. I do think that a few players have conspired against him, a side just doesn't go backwards in the manner Chelsea have in a few months.
kobashi100
17-12-2015
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“Jose to take a break, and then perhaps take the Portugal job after the Euro's, I think might just be his next job, either that or the PSG one.”

If Paris looking for a change then could be José. Think AVB could get that also.
batdude_uk1
17-12-2015
Originally Posted by kobashi100:
“If Paris looking for a change then could be José. Think AVB could get that also.”

A double swoop of Jose and Ronaldo to PSG would certainly get them in the headlines once again, and they both would do very well there I think.
Tip top 2
17-12-2015
Originally Posted by RichmondBlue:
“I'm feeling angry and bitter. I do think that a few players have conspired against him, a side just doesn't go backwards in the manner Chelsea have in a few months.”

Eh! R'mond lad, leave the squad alone, they're good lads. Getting told to do the same old, same old, over and again is not on.

They're not machines, they're human beings and damn good footballers at that.

Come on the Chels'!

Where ARE the muffins??? Hiding? sulking?

The club marches forward..
NinjyBear
17-12-2015
Are people including Hazard in the list of players who stopped performing 'for' Jose? I don't doubt he would be fed up with some of the criticisms (tough), but he doesn't seem the type to lose interest and stop trying because of it. Personally, with him I think it was just an extreme loss of form.

Matic/Fabregas/Costa are the 3 main culprits IMO.
NinjyBear
17-12-2015
Originally Posted by Tip top 2:
“Eh! R'mond lad, leave the squad alone, they're good lads. Getting told to do the same old, same old, over and again is not on.

They're not machines, they're human beings and damn good footballers at that.

Come on the Chels'!

Where ARE the muffins??? Hiding? sulking?

The club marches forward..”

No chance of you refraining from being a dick now that Jose is gone?
The_don1
17-12-2015
Originally Posted by Tip top 2:
“Eh! R'mond lad, leave the squad alone, they're good lads. Getting told to do the same old, same old, over and again is not on.

They're not machines, they're human beings and damn good footballers at that.

Come on the Chels'!

Where ARE the muffins??? Hiding? sulking?

The club marches forward..”

Notice the lack of the word "professional"
The_don1
17-12-2015
Originally Posted by NinjyBear:
“Are people including Hazard in the list of players who stopped performing 'for' Jose? I don't doubt he would be fed up with some of the criticisms, but he doesn't seem the type to lose interest because of it. Personally, with him I think it was just an extreme loss of form.

Matic/Fabregas/Costa are the 3 main culprits IMO.”

Again the facts do not back up "IMO"

Hazard's form has been bad and yes that could be due to extreme loss of form but wont is not a loss of form is attitude and I think him coming off on Monday shows a bad attitude and a lack of professionalism
NinjyBear
17-12-2015
Originally Posted by The_don1:
“Again the facts do not back up "IMO"”

What "facts" don't back me up? I don't know if they fell out with Jose earlier this year or not, but any football fan can see that those 3 have been under-performing since January. Do you disagree?
The "fact" we won the title doesn't disprove that they were poor from January-May. And they've each been significantly worse since the start of this season. There has to be a reason for it - 3 top players aren't just going to forget how to do their jobs without their attitude/egos being heavily involved.
The_don1
17-12-2015
Originally Posted by NinjyBear:
“What "facts" don't back me up? I don't know if they fell out with Jose earlier this year or not, but any football fan can see that those 3 have been under-performing since January Do you disagree?
The "fact" we won the title doesn't disprove that they were poor from January-May. And they've each been significantly worse since the start of this season. There has to be a reason for it - 3 top players aren't just going to forget how to do their jobs without their attitude/egos being heavily involved.”

I agree with those 3 have being part of the problem but I think Hazard has been a bigger culprit. This is the one guy who could be "world class" and I think players who wish to be of that standard need to step up to the plate when things are going bad at the club and other players are not playing well no matter what the reason.

His talent means he should be able to pull everyone else up.

They are very good and talented players but Cesc's attitude has been questioned before, Matic is still learning to play at this level. Costa is Costa and we know what he is like. All in the wrong I agree but Eden should be above all that now. He should be doing what all world class players do and drag the team kicking and screaming but instead he is mopping about like a little child.

It was a time for him to be a leader and he did not do so
terry45
17-12-2015
He should have taken my advice I posted on here.................................never go back.
RichmondBlue
17-12-2015
Originally Posted by NinjyBear:
“Are people including Hazard in the list of players who stopped performing 'for' Jose? I don't doubt he would be fed up with some of the criticisms (tough), but he doesn't seem the type to lose interest and stop trying because of it. Personally, with him I think it was just an extreme loss of form.

Matic/Fabregas/Costa are the 3 main culprits IMO.”

I was going to try not to mention names, because it would only be speculation on my part. But I'd go for Costa, Hazard and Oscar. I wouldn't go so far as saying any of them haven't been trying, but I think they fell out (badly) with Mourinho and it's affected their game.
Matic is another possibility, but I think Fabregas was probably in Jose's "camp"..he appeared to be favoured even when clearly out of form.
But I'm sticking with what I've been saying for months , something (or several things) happened over the summer that changed things dramatically..and I doubt we'll ever find out the real truth.
The_don1
17-12-2015
Originally Posted by RichmondBlue:
“I was going to try not to mention names, because it would only be speculation on my part. But I'd go for Costa, Hazard and Oscar. I wouldn't go so far as saying any of them haven't been trying, but I think they fell out (badly) with Mourinho and it's affected their game.
Matic is another possibility, but I think Fabregas was probably in Jose's "camp"..he appeared to be favoured even when clearly out of form.
But I'm sticking with what I've been saying for months , something (or several things) happened over the summer that changed things dramatically..and I doubt we'll ever find out the real truth.”

Cesc has played badly but I think if you look at his time at previous clubs this "form" has been pretty standard for him.
Jokanovic
17-12-2015
Originally Posted by terry45:
“He should have taken my advice I posted on here.................................never go back.”

But then we wouldn't of won the League last season would we.....
Jokanovic
17-12-2015
Originally Posted by Tip top 2:
“Eh! R'mond lad, leave the squad alone, they're good lads. Getting told to do the same old, same old, over and again is not on.

They're not machines, they're human beings and damn good footballers at that.

Come on the Chels'!

Where ARE the muffins??? Hiding? sulking?

The club marches forward..”

Go back to the Liverpool thread please. After you have done your homework though.
The_don1
17-12-2015
Originally Posted by terry45:
“He should have taken my advice I posted on here.................................never go back.”

Why?

He has proven himself again as a title winning manager.

He has come out with a nice amount of money and will have no issue getting another job as has been proven before with him and much poorer managers.

It's not like this will make the smallest amount of difference to anything.

All he has proven is that the manager job at Chelsea is a short term job no matter if you are a success or not and that's something we knew already
Jokanovic
17-12-2015
Well its what we do isn't it. We just can't keep a manager long term.
We need to get through this season and then clear out those players who have clearly not been doing their best.
One consolation, whoever takes over it won't be as toxic as when Rafa arrived.
It won't be great but nowhere near as bad as that.
The_don1
17-12-2015
Originally Posted by Jokanovic:
“Well its what we do isn't it. We just can't keep a manager long term.
We need to get through this season and then clear out those players who have clearly not been doing their best.
One consolation, whoever takes over it won't be as toxic as when Rafa arrived.
It won't be great but nowhere near as bad as that.”

One would hope not but this is Chelsea and if any club could find a way it be us. Ramos maybe be at least with Rafa he had some pedigree as average as it was. But this guy?
RichmondBlue
17-12-2015
Well, if we can get get to mid-table safety with a decent cushion of points, perhaps we could use the remainder of the season to bring on a few of our young players. We still have the CL of course, and who knows, this season has been so crazy we might even win it again.

What a difference a year makes. By this time last year Paddy Power had already paid out on bets for us to win the PL. Now I know that was a publicity stunt, but even so it's the most remarkable change of fortune in football I can ever remember.
The_don1
17-12-2015
Originally Posted by RichmondBlue:
“Well, if we can get get to mid-table safety with a decent cushion of points, perhaps we could use the remainder of the season to bring on a few of our young players. We still have the CL of course, and who knows, this season has been so crazy we might even win it again.

What a difference a year makes. By this time last year Paddy Power had already paid out on bets for us to win the PL. Now I know that was a publicity stunt, but even so it's the most remarkable change of fortune in football I can ever remember.”

Would a manager on a short term contract do that?

Even with a decent cushion of points would even a caretaker manager risk losing that cushion?

I think the best we can hope for at the moment is get though the season where ever that might end up and then a massive clear out of players and rebuild yet again and I don't think we should look at any player as safe, No matter how well they have played in the past or they might play in the future. Anyone who has even the slight smell of having even the smallest amount of blame for the season so far should be treated the same as the manager and moved on.
The_don1
17-12-2015
Truly awful interview given by Emenalo on the website.

Do we really not have anyone who looks at these things before they go out?

We really don't help ourself s at times like this.
Jokanovic
17-12-2015
Yep, the blokes a clown for coming out with that stuff.
carefree_blue
17-12-2015
Emanolo's a complete joke but unfortunately we already knew this a long time ago. He's nothing more than a Nigerian scammer. Absolving the players of any blame so that he can cover his own arse for the abysmal transfer window we had this summer.
The_don1
17-12-2015
Yes it was a awful window but I still think again the transfer committee had some credit in the bank due to the window before and I not sure there was much value in the last window.

My issue is what was said in the interview and by who. He should not have done the interview. We said in the statement confirming the sacking we would not be making a further comment yet soon after we are making further comments and its a "technical director".

Can understand if it was Roman himself as that would be appropriate or a senior member of the board just reading a prepared text.

But instead we get someone who has little or no media savy and seemingly saying what every he wants to and someone who no experience in working in the front of house part of football at this level.

These are just rookie business and PR mistakes.

As a business you learn from mistakes, We have continued to do so so when it comes to sacking managers. We follow the same mistakes when dealing with the fallout.

We should be experienced at handling situations like this but once again we make a bad situation 1000 times worse when it seems impossible to do so
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