Originally Posted by The_don1:
“Have they said who is picking the team?”
“Have they said who is picking the team?”
Newton and Holland.
Chelsea Supporters Thread (Part 5)
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Originally Posted by RichmondBlue:
“I'm far from confident. It's going to be very interesting to see the reaction of our fans at the game. I was looking at a fan site where nearly 80% voted that getting rid of Mourinho was the wrong decision..and that was from a total vote of over 7000, a considerable sample.
Obviously the club comes first, but the suspicion that several players may have not have been giving 100% (regardless of form, that's a different thing entirely) has left a bitter taste for many supporters I've spoken to. Even fans who aren't too sorry to see the back of Jose can't accept players not giving everything for the team.
As I say, it could be a strange atmosphere.”
“I'm far from confident. It's going to be very interesting to see the reaction of our fans at the game. I was looking at a fan site where nearly 80% voted that getting rid of Mourinho was the wrong decision..and that was from a total vote of over 7000, a considerable sample.
Obviously the club comes first, but the suspicion that several players may have not have been giving 100% (regardless of form, that's a different thing entirely) has left a bitter taste for many supporters I've spoken to. Even fans who aren't too sorry to see the back of Jose can't accept players not giving everything for the team.
As I say, it could be a strange atmosphere.”
Yep, it's a shame that the game has come so quickly after Mourinho's departure, because of the sour taste it's left it's going to be very hard to go back to cheering on this bunch of players straight away as if nothing's happened. I feel like the team are going to have to get their heads down and win a good few games first to really get the fans onside again. A win against Sunderland would be a start, but it'll take more than that.
Originally Posted by carefree_blue:
“Yep, it's a shame that the game has come so quickly after Mourinho's departure, because of the sour taste it's left it's going to be very hard to go back to cheering on this bunch of players straight away as if nothing's happened. I feel like the team are going to have to get their heads down and win a good few games first to really get the fans onside again. A win against Sunderland would be a start, but it'll take more than that.”
“Yep, it's a shame that the game has come so quickly after Mourinho's departure, because of the sour taste it's left it's going to be very hard to go back to cheering on this bunch of players straight away as if nothing's happened. I feel like the team are going to have to get their heads down and win a good few games first to really get the fans onside again. A win against Sunderland would be a start, but it'll take more than that.”
In general, most fans are hypocrites, I include myself in that so it's not a dig at Chelsea fans, but why boo this set of players when the likes of Drogba, Ballack, Lampard got off scott free when they did the same to AVB or Felipe Scolari? I don't care if the job was too big for them or they hadn't earnt the respect of the fans/players, it's wrong to down tools whoever the manager is.
Originally Posted by Draca_Noir:
“In general, most fans are hypocrites, I include myself in that so it's not a dig at Chelsea fans, but why boo this set of players when the likes of Drogba, Ballack, Lampard got off scott free when they did the same to AVB or Felipe Scolari? I don't care if the job was too big for them or they hadn't earnt the respect of the fans/players, it's wrong to down tools whoever the manager is.”
“In general, most fans are hypocrites, I include myself in that so it's not a dig at Chelsea fans, but why boo this set of players when the likes of Drogba, Ballack, Lampard got off scott free when they did the same to AVB or Felipe Scolari? I don't care if the job was too big for them or they hadn't earnt the respect of the fans/players, it's wrong to down tools whoever the manager is.”
I guess the difference is the manager. No one related to those two. The fans think Jose is one if us.
But you're right, all fans are the same.
Originally Posted by carefree_blue:
“Yep, it's a shame that the game has come so quickly after Mourinho's departure, because of the sour taste it's left it's going to be very hard to go back to cheering on this bunch of players straight away as if nothing's happened. I feel like the team are going to have to get their heads down and win a good few games first to really get the fans onside again. A win against Sunderland would be a start, but it'll take more than that.”
“Yep, it's a shame that the game has come so quickly after Mourinho's departure, because of the sour taste it's left it's going to be very hard to go back to cheering on this bunch of players straight away as if nothing's happened. I feel like the team are going to have to get their heads down and win a good few games first to really get the fans onside again. A win against Sunderland would be a start, but it'll take more than that.”
Just imagine what it would be life if Rafa was the interim after Jose
Sooner Guus is on the bench the better.
Originally Posted by carefree_blue:
“Do you know why he had little choice but to stick with Ivanovic? Because Felipe Luis went and that clown you were praising for his interview the other day replaced him with a left-back that Mourinho clearly didn't rate and from watching him play you can see why - Rahman's nowhere near good enough.”
“Do you know why he had little choice but to stick with Ivanovic? Because Felipe Luis went and that clown you were praising for his interview the other day replaced him with a left-back that Mourinho clearly didn't rate and from watching him play you can see why - Rahman's nowhere near good enough.”
So you're the authoritative expert are you? Another 'fan' who wanted Mourhino to stay.
Mourhino HAD to play Ivanovic at rb? Absolute rubbish. Zouma could have played there, Christensen could have played there, Ivanovic could have been moved to CB and Baba hasn't had nearly enough playing time to tell whether he's good enough or not.
Do you have insiders at the club or something? The same insiders that told you why Wilkins was sacked even though he doesn't even know himself?
Originally Posted by Draca_Noir:
“In general, most fans are hypocrites, I include myself in that so it's not a dig at Chelsea fans, but why boo this set of players when the likes of Drogba, Ballack, Lampard got off scott free when they did the same to AVB or Felipe Scolari? I don't care if the job was too big for them or they hadn't earnt the respect of the fans/players, it's wrong to down tools whoever the manager is.”
“In general, most fans are hypocrites, I include myself in that so it's not a dig at Chelsea fans, but why boo this set of players when the likes of Drogba, Ballack, Lampard got off scott free when they did the same to AVB or Felipe Scolari? I don't care if the job was too big for them or they hadn't earnt the respect of the fans/players, it's wrong to down tools whoever the manager is.”
Who's talking about booing them? What I'm saying is there will be a feeling of apathy towards them that isn't going to suddenly go away with a win today. That idiot technical director of ours spoke about a 'palpable discord' between manager and players, there will be that between players and fans too.
And for the record, I don't think many fans were at all happy either with what apparently went down with those other managers. However the major difference is those players had more credit in the bank than this lot, and those managers had less credit in the bank than Mourinho. You also have to remember that AVB alienated the dressing room by telling certain players he'd be getting rid of them, and completely freezing out the likes of Alex and Anelka, he didn't do himself any favours. Any mutiny was nowhere near on this scale, as it's not as if results in general dramatically improved once RDM took over. Yes we had the cup runs but the league form was as inconsistent as when AVB was in charge. That said I wasn't happy to see either manager sacked at the time.
Originally Posted by Tip top 2:
“So you're the authoritative expert are you? Another 'fan' who wanted Mourhino to stay.
Mourhino HAD to play Ivanovic at rb? Absolute rubbish. Zouma could have played there, Christensen could have played there, Ivanovic could have been moved to CB and Baba hasn't had nearly enough playing time to tell whether he's good enough or not.
Do you have insiders at the club or something? The same insiders that told you why Wilkins was sacked even though he doesn't even know himself?”
“So you're the authoritative expert are you? Another 'fan' who wanted Mourhino to stay.
Mourhino HAD to play Ivanovic at rb? Absolute rubbish. Zouma could have played there, Christensen could have played there, Ivanovic could have been moved to CB and Baba hasn't had nearly enough playing time to tell whether he's good enough or not.
Do you have insiders at the club or something? The same insiders that told you why Wilkins was sacked even though he doesn't even know himself?”
He did try Zouma at full-back, in case you've forgotten. Did it solve our defensive problems? Christensen had already been loaned out. Let's not forget he played the day Bradford stuck 4 goals past us last season before we tout him as good enough to be in this team.
I've already seen enough of Rahman to know that he's a liability. Yes Ivanovic has also been a liability at times this season due to his poor form, but it's not a stretch to see why a manager would opt for a player that has proved good enough in the past hoping he recovers that form over a player that just doesn't look good enough and was never wanted to begin with.
As for Wilkins I've never commented on why he left. You appear to be confused. Doctor suggests you take some time off from the forum and have a lie down.
Originally Posted by Jokanovic:
“Just imagine what it would be life if Rafa was the interim after Jose
Sooner Guus is on the bench the better.”
“Just imagine what it would be life if Rafa was the interim after Jose
Sooner Guus is on the bench the better.”
It doesn't bear thinking about. Let's just hope Madrid don't sack him before we tie up a deal with Guus!
Originally Posted by The_don1:
“So we are saying a expert in football in Spain should be paid attention to when it comes to a manager who is working at club not in Spain and who a club (again not in Spain) might be looking at to get?
Have we any word on who the Turkish football experts think we should get?”
“So we are saying a expert in football in Spain should be paid attention to when it comes to a manager who is working at club not in Spain and who a club (again not in Spain) might be looking at to get?
Have we any word on who the Turkish football experts think we should get?”
The other night on Radio 5 Live, a journo was arguing with Pat Nevin about Jose being given the boot the next day. Pat said it wasn't going to happen, but the journo was bang on with what he had been told by an 'insider'.
Believe it or not, football journo's do not spend their days down the pub making up a load of BS. The good ones not only give some good, insightful opinions, they are also the ones who, one way or another, manage to find these ' insiders' who leak them the info of what's going on and what's being said behind closed doors.
Originally Posted by Draca_Noir:
“In general, most fans are hypocrites, I include myself in that so it's not a dig at Chelsea fans, but why boo this set of players when the likes of Drogba, Ballack, Lampard got off scott free when they did the same to AVB or Felipe Scolari? I don't care if the job was too big for them or they hadn't earnt the respect of the fans/players, it's wrong to down tools whoever the manager is.”
“In general, most fans are hypocrites, I include myself in that so it's not a dig at Chelsea fans, but why boo this set of players when the likes of Drogba, Ballack, Lampard got off scott free when they did the same to AVB or Felipe Scolari? I don't care if the job was too big for them or they hadn't earnt the respect of the fans/players, it's wrong to down tools whoever the manager is.”
An excellent point, and one i'd forgotten all about.
It happens time and again in football - The manager loses the dressing room, You can't sack the entire team, so the manager has to go.
Hopefully, our next manager will allow the likes of Hazard to concentrate on what he's good at and stop knackering him out by having him running back to defend on the edge of the penalty area, then expect him to still have the energy to do his stiff at the other end of the field. Rudd Gullitt, made that point on Match of the Day recently noticing that weary, head down of him having to chace back yet again.
Originally Posted by Dixon:
“The other night on Radio 5 Live, a journo was arguing with Pat Nevin about Jose being given the boot the next day. Pat said it wasn't going to happen, but the journo was bang on with what he had been told by an 'insider'.
Believe it or not, football journo's do not spend their days down the pub making up a load of BS. The good ones not only give some good, insightful opinions, they are also the ones who, one way or another, manage to find these ' insiders' who leak them the info of what's going on and what's being said behind closed doors.”
“The other night on Radio 5 Live, a journo was arguing with Pat Nevin about Jose being given the boot the next day. Pat said it wasn't going to happen, but the journo was bang on with what he had been told by an 'insider'.
Believe it or not, football journo's do not spend their days down the pub making up a load of BS. The good ones not only give some good, insightful opinions, they are also the ones who, one way or another, manage to find these ' insiders' who leak them the info of what's going on and what's being said behind closed doors.”
Please a "insider".
There was two ways this was going to happen.
Sacked or not sacked so right away he had a 50% chance of being right, Take into account our history with managers it goes up to 75% if not higher.
If these "insiders" are so amazing why are these experts more wrong then they are right?
The only opinions they offer are the one set by the agenda of the company they work for and to feed the habit of the premiership addicts.
Originally Posted by carefree_blue:
“It doesn't bear thinking about. Let's just hope Madrid don't sack him before we tie up a deal with Guus!”
“It doesn't bear thinking about. Let's just hope Madrid don't sack him before we tie up a deal with Guus!
”
If we are only paying Jose until he gets a job then maybe it be a good thing they sack him. He would be favourite to get the job and I don't think Chelsea or Rafa would want to repeat the same mistakes as last time
Originally Posted by The_don1:
“Please a "insider".
There was two ways this was going to happen.
Sacked or not sacked so right away he had a 50% chance of being right, Take into account our history with managers it goes up to 75% if not higher.
If these "insiders" are so amazing why are these experts more wrong then they are right?
The only opinions they offer are the one set by the agenda of the company they work for and to feed the habit of the premiership addicts.”
“Please a "insider".
There was two ways this was going to happen.
Sacked or not sacked so right away he had a 50% chance of being right, Take into account our history with managers it goes up to 75% if not higher.
If these "insiders" are so amazing why are these experts more wrong then they are right?
The only opinions they offer are the one set by the agenda of the company they work for and to feed the habit of the premiership addicts.”
You are far too cynical of the media!
Yes, there are some second rate hacks, but there's an awful lot of very good journo's with no 'agenda' other that to find out what's going on and report it. Some of them even happen to be Chelsea supporters.
Originally Posted by Dixon:
“An excellent point, and one i'd forgotten all about.
It happens time and again in football - The manager loses the dressing room, You can't sack the entire team, so the manager has to go.
Hopefully, our next manager will allow the likes of Hazard to concentrate on what he's good at and stop knackering him out by having him running back to defOend on the edge of the penalty area, then expect him to still have the energy to do his stiff at the other end of the field. Rudd Gullitt, made that point on Match of the Day recently noticing that weary, head down of him having to chace back yet again.”
“An excellent point, and one i'd forgotten all about.
It happens time and again in football - The manager loses the dressing room, You can't sack the entire team, so the manager has to go.
Hopefully, our next manager will allow the likes of Hazard to concentrate on what he's good at and stop knackering him out by having him running back to defOend on the edge of the penalty area, then expect him to still have the energy to do his stiff at the other end of the field. Rudd Gullitt, made that point on Match of the Day recently noticing that weary, head down of him having to chace back yet again.”
Oh bless the poor little diddiums. Is he tired? Shall the new manager tuck him at the end of the night and sing him a song? Do we need a night light for him incase the boogy man and gets him?
Hopefully the next manager will kick his arse and get him to spend the rest of the season running around around the training pitch until he grows up and even shows the smallest mindset of being a champion
Originally Posted by Dixon:
“You are far too cynical of the media!
Yes, there are some second rate hacks, but there's an awful lot of very good journo's with no 'agenda' other that to find out what's going on and report it. Some of them even happen to be Chelsea supporters.”
“You are far too cynical of the media!
Yes, there are some second rate hacks, but there's an awful lot of very good journo's with no 'agenda' other that to find out what's going on and report it. Some of them even happen to be Chelsea supporters.”
I have would no problem with if they was reporting news and not opinions and views but they have so much time and space to fill that they rarely do that.
If they actually reported only actual NEWS there would not be enough to fill two pages a week never mind what they actually print. If they was to report only ACTUAL news football would not be discussed for a hour a week on Sky Sports News and the football broadcasts would start 5 minutes before the game and 10 minutes after.
Originally Posted by The_don1:
“Oh bless the poor little diddiums. Is he tired? Shall the new manager tuck him at the end of the night and sing him a song? Do we need a night light for him incase the boogy man and gets him?
Hopefully the next manager will kick his arse and get him to spend the rest of the season running around around the training pitch until he grows up and even shows the smallest mindset of being a champion”
“Oh bless the poor little diddiums. Is he tired? Shall the new manager tuck him at the end of the night and sing him a song? Do we need a night light for him incase the boogy man and gets him?
Hopefully the next manager will kick his arse and get him to spend the rest of the season running around around the training pitch until he grows up and even shows the smallest mindset of being a champion”
So, now you're dissing the opinions of a former world footballer of the year.
I'm not surprised by your comments. You support a manager who wants his players to play like robots, so you end up thinking they are robots who can run forever and never get tired.
I don't want Hazard running back and making tackles on the edge of our penalty area, anymore than a i want to rely on Cahil having to at the other end of the pitch trying to create goals.
Originally Posted by The_don1:
“I have would no problem with if they was reporting news and not opinions and views but they have so much time and space to fill that they rarely do that.
If they actually reported only actual NEWS there would not be enough to fill two pages a week never mind what they actually print. If they was to report only ACTUAL news football would not be discussed for a hour a week on Sky Sports News and the football broadcasts would start 5 minutes before the game and 10 minutes after.”
“I have would no problem with if they was reporting news and not opinions and views but they have so much time and space to fill that they rarely do that.
If they actually reported only actual NEWS there would not be enough to fill two pages a week never mind what they actually print. If they was to report only ACTUAL news football would not be discussed for a hour a week on Sky Sports News and the football broadcasts would start 5 minutes before the game and 10 minutes after.”
Nobody's forcing you to read or listen to any of it!
I, and many other football fans enjoy listening to good journo's and hearing 'titbits' of what's going on behind the scenes.
I find many of them end up being very accurate with what they say.
Gary Richardson, was spot on months ago about the 'mutiny at the bridge'.
Originally Posted by Dixon:
“So, now you're dissing the opinions of a former world footballer of the year.
I'm not surprised by your comments. You support a manager who wants his players to play like robots, so you end up thinking they are robots who can run forever and never get tired.
I don't want Hazard running back and making tackles on the edge of our penalty area, anymore than a i want to rely on Cahil having to at the other end of the pitch trying to create goals.”
“So, now you're dissing the opinions of a former world footballer of the year.
I'm not surprised by your comments. You support a manager who wants his players to play like robots, so you end up thinking they are robots who can run forever and never get tired.
I don't want Hazard running back and making tackles on the edge of our penalty area, anymore than a i want to rely on Cahil having to at the other end of the pitch trying to create goals.”
Yes I am because as a manager he was average at best. He can have all the talent in the world but that doesn't mean his view should count for anything. Gazza greatest player this country has seen? Don't mean his views are relevant. As a Manger this world player of the year did something no manager or player could do, Stop the greatest striker we have seen and more then likely ever see he stopped Shearer from scoring
I want to see Hazard win league titles end of. His talent means nothing if he not doing that.
Originally Posted by carefree_blue:
“He did try Zouma at full-back, in case you've forgotten. Did it solve our defensive problems? Christensen had already been loaned out. Let's not forget he played the day Bradford stuck 4 goals past us last season before we tout him as good enough to be in this team.
I've already seen enough of Rahman to know that he's a liability. Yes Ivanovic has also been a liability at times this season due to his poor form, but it's not a stretch to see why a manager would opt for a player that has proved good enough in the past hoping he recovers that form over a player that just doesn't look good enough and was never wanted to begin with.
As for Wilkins I've never commented on why he left. You appear to be confused. Doctor suggests you take some time off from the forum and have a lie down.”
“He did try Zouma at full-back, in case you've forgotten. Did it solve our defensive problems? Christensen had already been loaned out. Let's not forget he played the day Bradford stuck 4 goals past us last season before we tout him as good enough to be in this team.
I've already seen enough of Rahman to know that he's a liability. Yes Ivanovic has also been a liability at times this season due to his poor form, but it's not a stretch to see why a manager would opt for a player that has proved good enough in the past hoping he recovers that form over a player that just doesn't look good enough and was never wanted to begin with.
As for Wilkins I've never commented on why he left. You appear to be confused. Doctor suggests you take some time off from the forum and have a lie down.”
Now that the Liverpool fan's daily blog is finished all he has left is his homework so he's a bit lost at the moment. Best give him some slack at this time of year.
Courtois; Ivanovic, Zouma, Terry (c), Azpilicueta; Matic, Fabregas; Willian, Oscar, Pedro; Diego Costa.
Begovic, Cahill, Baba Rahman, Mikel, Ramires, Traore, Remy
Eugh.
Begovic, Cahill, Baba Rahman, Mikel, Ramires, Traore, Remy
Eugh.
Originally Posted by Dixon:
“An excellent point, and one i'd forgotten all about.
It happens time and again in football - The manager loses the dressing room, You can't sack the entire team, so the manager has to go.
Hopefully, our next manager will allow the likes of Hazard to concentrate on what he's good at and stop knackering him out by having him running back to defend on the edge of the penalty area, then expect him to still have the energy to do his stiff at the other end of the field. Rudd Gullitt, made that point on Match of the Day recently noticing that weary, head down of him having to chace back yet again.”
“An excellent point, and one i'd forgotten all about.
It happens time and again in football - The manager loses the dressing room, You can't sack the entire team, so the manager has to go.
Hopefully, our next manager will allow the likes of Hazard to concentrate on what he's good at and stop knackering him out by having him running back to defend on the edge of the penalty area, then expect him to still have the energy to do his stiff at the other end of the field. Rudd Gullitt, made that point on Match of the Day recently noticing that weary, head down of him having to chace back yet again.”
I think you'll find most managers will expect their midfield attacking players to track back when necessary, it's part of the modern game. When you lose the ball, everyone works like hell to get it back. That's the way Barcelona play as you must know.
Barcelona (and Spain) famously played 4-6-0 for a while, and very successfully. It was all about hard work as much as the beautiful tiki-taka that everyone admired so much.
Originally Posted by Jokanovic:
“Now that the Liverpool fan's daily blog is finished all he has left is his homework so he's a bit lost at the moment. Best give him some slack at this time of year.”
“Now that the Liverpool fan's daily blog is finished all he has left is his homework so he's a bit lost at the moment. Best give him some slack at this time of year.”
Here he is, the mourhino fc fan is back.
Not convinced by the line up today. Ivanvic at rb, no.
Terry still in. Suspect?
Matic, no one to support him in the defensive role. Fabregas won't do that. Too much pressure on Matic there imo.
Would have played Ramires, and where is Kennedy? He played very well last time. At least the bench?
Terry still in. Suspect?
Matic, no one to support him in the defensive role. Fabregas won't do that. Too much pressure on Matic there imo.
Would have played Ramires, and where is Kennedy? He played very well last time. At least the bench?
Originally Posted by carefree_blue:
“ You appear to be confused. Doctor suggests you take some time off from the forum and have a lie down.”
“ You appear to be confused. Doctor suggests you take some time off from the forum and have a lie down.”
Confused? I said Mourhino should go a few months ago. He left. You said he should stay. Confused? Take some time off lad..
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