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Chelsea Supporters Thread (Part 5)
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Jokanovic
20-12-2015
Originally Posted by The_don1:
“Played OK but no more then we have in small doses recently but for a slightly longer time. Still too many passengers in the team and mostly not playing in anywhere near the level they should be playing.

Sunderland are poor very poor and the by far the poorest team we have seen at the bridge for a long long time and even saying that they at times looked better then us.

Of course people with extremely low standards will talk about the game and overhype some performances and some players abilities but that is normal nowadays, everyone is "word class" when they are no more then top players”

Exactly. We played as well as that against Porto. Sunderland are very likely to get relegated so it's hardly some great achievement beating them
Shackles off ? What nonsense.
The_don1
20-12-2015
Originally Posted by Jokanovic:
“Exactly. We played as well as that against Porto. Sunderland are very likely to get relegated so it's hardly some great achievement beating them
Shackles off ? What nonsense.”

We have to look at the bigger picture.

Was it not a Sunderland team who was relegated with the lowest points ever?

That team was better then the current one.

Yes we still had to play to a certain level to beat them and yes at times we have had issues to do so but over the last couple of weeks or so we have been playing at that level a number of times.

At the same time we saw many aspects of our issues this season are still present.

It is utterly impossible to learn anything from yesterdays performance.
Tip top 2
20-12-2015
A nice gesture from JT:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/35141989

Fans have little idea what goes on behind the scenes, and for some people to start booing players who are suddenly springing to life is unfair.

Most fans want the team to win, irrespective of the manager, and they want to see players play to their full potential, as Oscar did on Saturday.

I find it bizarre that a few people who call themselves 'fans' would chant against a team that is suddenly free to play football.

Guardiola is by far the best manager in the world, and he could be on his way. I'm not convinced by Simeone. He speaks no English, and has only managed in Spain. Some say that Guardiola is definitely on his way to City. If that is the case, it could wreck City's season, as Pelligrini is hardly going to be motivated by a certain sacking.
Jokanovic
20-12-2015
Originally Posted by Tip top 2:
“A nice gesture from JT:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/35141989

Fans have little idea what goes on behind the scenes, and for some people to start booing players who are suddenly springing to life is unfair.

Most fans want the team to win, irrespective of the manager, and they want to see players play to their full potential, as Oscar did on Saturday.

I find it bizarre that a few people who call themselves 'fans' would chant against a team that is suddenly free to play football.

Guardiola is by far the best manager in the world, and he could be on his way. I'm not convinced by Simeone. He speaks no English, and has only managed in Spain. Some say that Guardiola is definitely on his way to City. If that is the case, it could wreck City's season, as Pelligrini is hardly going to be motivated by a certain sacking.”

The fans didn't chant against the team. Where do you get that from ?
And when you get a minute, answer my question eh lad
The_don1
20-12-2015
There was more team chants at yesterdays game then there has been for a long time.

So anyone who says there was chants against the team is very mistaken. But of course they are only going on what they was told or their own personal agenda.

In fact there was the normal "Christmas" time chants. Born is the king of Stamford Bridge and His name is Tommy Baldwin,Boys from Division two, etc. These of course are sung throughout the season but seem to be sung more around this time of year, I think its because we see a different type of fan attending games around now.
carefree_blue
20-12-2015
Originally Posted by Jokanovic:
“And when you get a minute, answer my question eh lad ”

Always avoids answering that question.
Never denies the accusation of being a Liverpool fan.
Loves Benitez. Hates Mourinho. Disses the fans for backing our most successful ever manager.

Funny that.
RichmondBlue
20-12-2015
Originally Posted by Tip top 2:
“A nice gesture from JT:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/35141989

Fans have little idea what goes on behind the scenes, and for some people to start booing players who are suddenly springing to life is unfair.

Most fans want the team to win, irrespective of the manager, and they want to see players play to their full potential, as Oscar did on Saturday.

I find it bizarre that a few people who call themselves 'fans' would chant against a team that is suddenly free to play football.

Guardiola is by far the best manager in the world, and he could be on his way. I'm not convinced by Simeone. He speaks no English, and has only managed in Spain. Some say that Guardiola is definitely on his way to City. If that is the case, it could wreck City's season, as Pelligrini is hardly going to be motivated by a certain sacking.”

As I understand it, there were no fans chanting against the "team". A few players were singled out for some sarcastic booing. I think that's understandable given all the rumours about a dressing room split and the lacklustre performances from a few of those players.
Any player suddenly "playing to their full potential" is also going to raise suspicions, because very few people (even among your beloved media pundits) actually believes the "playing without shackles" nonsense.
Think about it logically, if half the work force suddenly up their productivity after an unpopular manager left, you would probably conclude that they hadn't been pulling their weight previously. Now you could take that as a vindication of getting rid of the manager, but it also doesn't relect well on the work force (in this case, some of the players).
Dixon
20-12-2015
Originally Posted by RichmondBlue:
“Think about it logically, if half the work force suddenly up their productivity after an unpopular manager left, you would probably conclude that they hadn't been pulling their weight previously. Now you could take that as a vindication of getting rid of the manager, but it also doesn't relect well on the work force (in this case, some of the players).”

Then think about this for an unbiased moment.
Two completely unconnected groups of players [Real Madrid and Chelsea] turn against the very same person. For me, that tells me the one person must be screwing things up very badly.

Yet again. Jose has proven his methods only work for a very short period of time.
If you want to rip things up and win a 'big one' within a season or two, then see everything fall apart and have to start all over again, then Jose is your man.
Glad he's gone! Now we can get back to being a 'normal club' again, and no longer have to put up with all the BS that goes with being the Jose Mourinho show.
Dixon
20-12-2015
Originally Posted by Jokanovic:
“Exactly. We played as well as that against Porto. Sunderland are very likely to get relegated so it's hardly some great achievement beating them
Shackles off ? What nonsense.”

To say the shackles were not off Oscar, must mean you watched the match with your eyes closed.
He was instantly transformed back to the player he was before Jose came in and destroyed him! From look like a player we should be getting shot of asp, back to one of those we must keep and build on for the future, as we were doing before Jose came back. Build for the longterm future, not to look for a quick fix to win a big one then end up a complete shambles.
Jokanovic
20-12-2015
Originally Posted by Dixon:
“To say the shackles were not off Oscar, must mean you watched the match with your eyes closed.
He was instantly transformed back to the player he was before Jose came in and destroyed him! From look like a player we should be getting shot of asp, back to one of those we must keep and build on for the future, as we were doing before Jose came back. Build for the longterm future, not to look for a quick fix to win a big one then end up a complete shambles.”

I know we all have memory problems the older we get but Oscar was the player you were saying should not of been in ahead of Mata. YOU didn't want him in the team.
Strange how you change your tune now.
Mikel on, Ramires on, so none of your usual criticism of that ???
Jokanovic
20-12-2015
Originally Posted by carefree_blue:
“Always avoids answering that question.
Never denies the accusation of being a Liverpool fan.
Loves Benitez. Hates Mourinho. Disses the fans for backing our most successful ever manager.

Funny that. ”

I wonder if Tit Top was cheering when Ake scored today
RichmondBlue
20-12-2015
Originally Posted by Dixon:
“Then think about this for an unbiased moment.
Two completely unconnected groups of players [Real Madrid and Chelsea] turn against the very same person. For me, that tells me the one person must be screwing things up very badly.

Yet again. Jose has proven his methods only work for a very short period of time.
If you want to rip things up and win a 'big one' within a season or two, then see everything fall apart and have to start all over again, then Jose is your man.
Glad he's gone! Now we can get back to being a 'normal club' again, and no longer have to put up with all the BS that goes with being the Jose Mourinho show.”

Perhaps we should arrange to get him back every two or three years then, or whenever we want to win a few things ?
Get back to being a "normal club" again ? Is that some kind of code for us getting close every season without actually winning anything ? Arsene Wenger would be your man for that, and they play pretty football.
The_don1
20-12-2015
Shackles off? Played with Freedom, Smile on their faces blah blah blah any more football sayings we want to come up with? Cannot think of another professional sport where such nonsense is banded about. to give people excuses for not doing their jobs.

Oscar had a very good game but that is it.

Nothing amazing but a very good game which he has had before.

Am a big fan of Oscar and have a feeling he is has more of a better attitude then some players and has a better mindset but for such a young player he has played an awful lot of football and at a very high level and with intense pressure.

I don't think he is the type of player to worry about such nonsense as where the manager wants him to play or how, Watching him play he seems to be the type of player who will do his best no matter what role given to him if it benefits the team no matter his personal tastes and wishes, I just not sure at the moment he is able to turn it onto the pitch.
The_don1
20-12-2015
Originally Posted by RichmondBlue:
“Perhaps we should arrange to get him back every two or three years then, or whenever we want to win a few things ?
Get back to being a "normal club" again ? Is that some kind of code for us getting close every season without actually winning anything ? Arsene Wenger would be your man for that, and they play pretty football.”

Is this the Real Madrid where it is rumoured from experts in Spanish football are talking about offering a job?
RichmondBlue
20-12-2015
Originally Posted by Dixon:
“To say the shackles were not off Oscar, must mean you watched the match with your eyes closed.
He was instantly transformed back to the player he was before Jose came in and destroyed him! From look like a player we should be getting shot of asp, back to one of those we must keep and build on for the future, as we were doing before Jose came back. Build for the longterm future, not to look for a quick fix to win a big one then end up a complete shambles.”

Oscar was fantastic with Mourinho as manager at the beginning of last season. Jose rated him very highly, and said he would become the "perfect number 10" in his set up.
With that kind of praise from the manager, I can't see why Oscar should have had any problems with Mourinho. Oscar had been incredibly inconsistent with or without Mourinho as manager, and Jose may have given him a bit of a verbal roasting this season, but he can expect that from any manager.
Xela M
20-12-2015
Originally Posted by linkinpark875:
“Well he would be let go regardless of how well he does I should say. Personally I'd give him another season of the manager targets are not available.”

Have you only just heard of Hiddink? On what planet will he give you results?! He's a fossil long past his prime. Even with the newly developed superpowers of Oscar & Co, Hiddink will not win you anything. Ever.
carefree_blue
20-12-2015
Originally Posted by Dixon:
“To say the shackles were not off Oscar, must mean you watched the match with your eyes closed.
He was instantly transformed back to the player he was before Jose came in and destroyed him! From look like a player we should be getting shot of asp, back to one of those we must keep and build on for the future, as we were doing before Jose came back. Build for the longterm future, not to look for a quick fix to win a big one then end up a complete shambles.”

How incredibly knee-jerk after one home win against a very poor team. You were saying only a few days ago that he was one we should sell and that you'd even keep Willian over him.

Originally Posted by Dixon:
“Now we can get back to being a 'normal club' again, and no longer have to put up with all the BS that goes with being the Jose Mourinho show.”

Shame we'll still have to put up with your BS though. No doubt you'll be quick to slag off the next proper manager when we appoint him, it's what you do.
carefree_blue
20-12-2015
Originally Posted by Xela M:
“Hiddink will not win you anything. Ever.”

He already did win us an FA Cup last time around. I wouldn't rule out the possibility again.
linkinpark875
21-12-2015
http://www.foxsports.com/soccer/stor...acement-122015

A few papers are going with this. Man city boss to Chelsea.

Seems to be as if he leaves city there would be no compensation to pay. Is he that good a boss though? I guess he did win the title at city.
NinjyBear
21-12-2015
I don't rate Pellegrini at all. That story is bullshit.
linkinpark875
21-12-2015
Originally Posted by NinjyBear:
“I don't rate Pellegrini at all. That story is bullshit.”

Simeone has been a long term target for a while so maybe the papers want to print speculation. I would rather have Mancini over Pellegrini.
carefree_blue
21-12-2015
Originally Posted by NinjyBear:
“I don't rate Pellegrini at all. That story is bullshit.”

Yep, it's just the media putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 5. Won't happen.
RichmondBlue
21-12-2015
Originally Posted by NinjyBear:
“I don't rate Pellegrini at all. That story is bullshit.”

I hope you're right, it would be a terrible idea. Hell, I'd sooner have Rafa back !
The_don1
21-12-2015
Are we going to get every media rumor now? They need to talk about something so we going to get more nonsense then normal.
codeblue
21-12-2015
At least we are settled now, for a while

Thankfully, lets hope the media circus surrounding us has moved on to united and liverpool.

I'm not sure how i feel about Jose at United (which is going to happen), he may ruffle too many feathers there too - and would be short term.

Pep is the one to go for.
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