Well, Roman still think its a good idea to sell Cech?
Chelsea Supporters Thread (Part 5)
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It was the only option.
Rightly he was not going to be number one and Cech is still one of the best around so not going to be a number two and again rightly so.
After all he has done for Chelsea he deserved a certain amount of respect and treatment.
Always thought this refusing to sell players to certain clubs was rather childish and showed a small team mentality. It's not like we sold him and replaced him with someone not good enough. We have one of the best keepers as number one and a very good keeper (better then most's teams number ones).
We acted in respectful way to Cech. If he wins another title good for him, if we are not going to win it I rather see Cech win it. He deserves it.
Let's be above the bitterness that other clubs seem to show when sales like this happen
Rightly he was not going to be number one and Cech is still one of the best around so not going to be a number two and again rightly so.
After all he has done for Chelsea he deserved a certain amount of respect and treatment.
Always thought this refusing to sell players to certain clubs was rather childish and showed a small team mentality. It's not like we sold him and replaced him with someone not good enough. We have one of the best keepers as number one and a very good keeper (better then most's teams number ones).
We acted in respectful way to Cech. If he wins another title good for him, if we are not going to win it I rather see Cech win it. He deserves it.
Let's be above the bitterness that other clubs seem to show when sales like this happen
Originally Posted by Dixon:
“Oh come on, lets be honest about this!
With the players we had in our teams it would have been almost impossible for us to have not player some great football at times. But the great football we played would have been inspite of Jose, not because of him!
When we had a really great team, his ideal scoreline was 2=0. Our defence was so rock solid back then, that when we went 2 up it was game over! Too many times, insTead of us going on to hammer teams and put on a real show for both the Chelsea fans and the neutrals watching on tv, we would stroll through the rest of the game and conserve energy for the next game.
The likes of Carlo, Fergie, Wenger, Pep and many many others, would want their teams to put on a show and go for 4, 5 or 6 goals.
And, too many times in big games, he set up Chelsea to spoil and try and scratch out a boring one nil win. He did not trust his players enough to let them go out and take the game to the opposition.”
“Oh come on, lets be honest about this!
With the players we had in our teams it would have been almost impossible for us to have not player some great football at times. But the great football we played would have been inspite of Jose, not because of him!
When we had a really great team, his ideal scoreline was 2=0. Our defence was so rock solid back then, that when we went 2 up it was game over! Too many times, insTead of us going on to hammer teams and put on a real show for both the Chelsea fans and the neutrals watching on tv, we would stroll through the rest of the game and conserve energy for the next game.
The likes of Carlo, Fergie, Wenger, Pep and many many others, would want their teams to put on a show and go for 4, 5 or 6 goals.
And, too many times in big games, he set up Chelsea to spoil and try and scratch out a boring one nil win. He did not trust his players enough to let them go out and take the game to the opposition.
”
You are actually living in a fantasy world in all honestly. I watched Fergie for pretty much all of his career and what separated him and United from the rest over a long period was their ability to get the very results you seem so hell bent on complaining about. The number of times we would go away to Stoke or wherever and scratch out a 1-0 win whilst the media would say "United were terrible - lucky to get 3 points there" was incredible. What they seemed to fail to notice was that do it once and its luck, do it consistently over a season and its the mark of Champions.
Both Mourinho and Ferguson would grind out these results and when their teams were flying they would win with ease too. The difference with the other less successful managers is they would go into these games play open football and lose 2-1. The media would then say "*Newcastle* were good - unlucky not to get 3 points"
Which scenario wins you titles?
By all means be happy that you have got rid of Mourinho but don't discredit what the man achieved over the last 15 years. When you get rid of a player or a manager the true test of their worth is where they end up next. Sometime parting is for the best regardless but stop and think for a minute. If he is really so bad why are so many Chelsea fans gutted that he was sacked despite the league position? Why was he immediately linked with a number of top clubs round Europe and why could he pop up almost immediately at your biggest rivals? Not everyone else is wrong!
I also agree
The post nailed it.
There is a reason Jose is in demand by the very top clubs and managers like Moyes are still sat on their backside.
Fergie was a fantastic manager, but its all rose tinted that his teams played "the west ham way". When needed, they dug in and ground out wins - famously in the 97th minute in "fergie time".
"Fergie time" was not invented to ice the cake, to add a 5th goal in injury time, it was because they repeatedly ground out draws or wins by never giving up in games they had no right to.
The post nailed it.
There is a reason Jose is in demand by the very top clubs and managers like Moyes are still sat on their backside.
Fergie was a fantastic manager, but its all rose tinted that his teams played "the west ham way". When needed, they dug in and ground out wins - famously in the 97th minute in "fergie time".
"Fergie time" was not invented to ice the cake, to add a 5th goal in injury time, it was because they repeatedly ground out draws or wins by never giving up in games they had no right to.
Yep well said Eddie.
I don't know how you have to nerve to talk about being honest when you quite clearly made up that stat about there only being 4 shots on target over a run of 4 games last season. Utter BS.
Originally Posted by Dixon:
“Oh come on, lets be honest about this!”
“Oh come on, lets be honest about this!”
I don't know how you have to nerve to talk about being honest when you quite clearly made up that stat about there only being 4 shots on target over a run of 4 games last season. Utter BS.
Originally Posted by Tip top 2:
“Dixon, keep on going, and don't listen to Man U fans. Most Chelsea fans want exactly that, a show. You're absolutely right. It's what the players want as well thankfully, to express themselves.
This year, now that Mourhino has gone thankfully, we've got a great chance of winning the CL, and pressing for a top 4 place.
Hiddink is the right coach for now, and we need a manager long term that will encourage attacking football in true blue Chelsea tradition.”
“Dixon, keep on going, and don't listen to Man U fans. Most Chelsea fans want exactly that, a show. You're absolutely right. It's what the players want as well thankfully, to express themselves.
This year, now that Mourhino has gone thankfully, we've got a great chance of winning the CL, and pressing for a top 4 place.
Hiddink is the right coach for now, and we need a manager long term that will encourage attacking football in true blue Chelsea tradition.”
Come on Tit Top lad, you still haven't answered my questions.
We had a young Chelsea boy on the pitch scoring against Liverpool. Surely you want to praise our young star for doing that don't you
Originally Posted by The_don1:
“And the difference? One that actually matters?
There is none”
“And the difference? One that actually matters?
There is none”
The difference?
How about winning over more and more fans for the club. You know, the way the likes of Real Madrid and Man Utd have done over generations for their style of play.
Originally Posted by dend:
“I would love Pep to come to us next summer, i think hes the best coach in the world, with Jose not far behind.
I am however not very confident that he will choose us. I think he will come to England but i think he is more likely to pick one of the Manchester clubs than us sadly. I think he will feel he will get more freedom to work and pick the squad as he likes at those two clubs, rather than have Abramovich watching over him.”
“I would love Pep to come to us next summer, i think hes the best coach in the world, with Jose not far behind.
I am however not very confident that he will choose us. I think he will come to England but i think he is more likely to pick one of the Manchester clubs than us sadly. I think he will feel he will get more freedom to work and pick the squad as he likes at those two clubs, rather than have Abramovich watching over him.”
We don't have enough players with the technical ability to play his style of football.
It would take too long and too much money to get us playing his way, and with him likely to only want to stay about 3 years max, i cannot see him wanting to take the job. He'd be on a hiding to nothing.
Originally Posted by Dixon:
“The difference?
How about winning over more and more fans for the club. You know, the way the likes of Real Madrid and Man Utd have done over generations for their style of play.”
“The difference?
How about winning over more and more fans for the club. You know, the way the likes of Real Madrid and Man Utd have done over generations for their style of play.”
Has our fan base not grown over the years?
Has it gone up or down?
Again as has been said before "winning" league titles will do that no matter what the type of football played.
Both ways improve fan bases I agree but again as long the fan base numbers go up that's the most important thing
Originally Posted by Jokanovic:
“That's where you differ from most fans. You want to watch and be entertained with the result seemingly unimportant. At the end of the season we finish with no trophies but you enjoyed it.
The rest of us want to celebrate winning silverware as ultimately that the point of it all.
Each to their own of course.”
“That's where you differ from most fans. You want to watch and be entertained with the result seemingly unimportant. At the end of the season we finish with no trophies but you enjoyed it.
The rest of us want to celebrate winning silverware as ultimately that the point of it all.
Each to their own of course.”
Nope!
After all the bad luck in the CL, the year we won the CL, winning it was all that mattered!
We'd gone too long without winning the title, so winning it again last season was more important than the style of play.
To me, it's all about where your club is at.
If i was a Villa fan, i wouldn't give a toss about style of play or entertainment. I would take the most boring football you'll ever see if it meant staying up.
If i was a Liverpool fan i would take any style of play to win the league again.
If i was a big club in the lower divisions, i would take any style of play to get us back into the Premiership and any style to stay there.
We've had amazing success over the last 15 years or so and won everything there is to win. It's time we started to try and win with real style. It can be done, as Carlo proved.
Originally Posted by Dixon:
“Nope!
After all the bad luck in the CL, the year we won the CL, winning it was all that mattered!
We'd gone too long without winning the title, so winning it again last season was more important than the style of play.
To me, it's all about where your club is at.
If i was a Villa fan, i wouldn't give a toss about style of play or entertainment. I would take the most boring football you'll ever see if it meant staying up.
If i was a Liverpool fan i would take any style of play to win the league again.
If i was a big club in the lower divisions, i would take any style of play to get us back into the Premiership and any style to stay there.
We've had amazing success over the last 15 years or so and won everything there is to win. It's time we started to try and win with real style. It can be done, as Carlo proved.”
“Nope!
After all the bad luck in the CL, the year we won the CL, winning it was all that mattered!
We'd gone too long without winning the title, so winning it again last season was more important than the style of play.
To me, it's all about where your club is at.
If i was a Villa fan, i wouldn't give a toss about style of play or entertainment. I would take the most boring football you'll ever see if it meant staying up.
If i was a Liverpool fan i would take any style of play to win the league again.
If i was a big club in the lower divisions, i would take any style of play to get us back into the Premiership and any style to stay there.
We've had amazing success over the last 15 years or so and won everything there is to win. It's time we started to try and win with real style. It can be done, as Carlo proved.”
I really think your over-hyping our successes.
We have been nowhere near as successful as I think you think we have. We have had some really good seasons but there has been more where in the league we have been ok and or average. We need to do more before we can look at unimportant factors like style
Originally Posted by The_don1:
“I really think your over-hyping our successes.
We have been nowhere near as successful as I think you think we have. We have had some really good seasons but there has been more where in the league we have been ok and or average. We need to do more before we can look at unimportant factors like style”
“I really think your over-hyping our successes.
We have been nowhere near as successful as I think you think we have. We have had some really good seasons but there has been more where in the league we have been ok and or average. We need to do more before we can look at unimportant factors like style”
We have been the second most successful English club of the last 25 years! Second only to Fergie's UTD.
If you don't consider that great success, then you are one very hard to lease fan!
Originally Posted by Dixon:
“We have been the second most successful English club of the last 25 years! Second only to Fergie's UTD.
If you don't consider that great success, then you are one very hard to lease fan!”
“We have been the second most successful English club of the last 25 years! Second only to Fergie's UTD.
If you don't consider that great success, then you are one very hard to lease fan!”
Considering our investment we should be at least that.
How close are we to the 1st place team? How far behind us is the team in 3rd?
Without looking at every factor involved such statements are pointless.
To mention a team that been nothing more then a yo-yo cup team though out its history with no real credible league success and a club that if it was not for a win against Liverpool on the last day of the season not that long ago would no longer exist should be playing like league giants like Utd and Real is insanity at its highest level.
For all our recent success we are not even a teenager compared to those massive teams.
Yes we have played fantastic football throughout our history but league wise it on the whole has been for its most point unsuccessful.
We have a long way to go before we can even look at copying for a better word business plan or methods of success of clubs like them
We could have been nearer if we had not made so many mistakes over the course of Roman's time at the club but we cannot change that and the way the game is going with other clubs now getting big investment and with the money rolling into the game we have missed our chance to put some distance between us and those teams in England who have a chance of getting to that level but even then we would still have an awful lot of work to do.
The new ground will be a massive step forward (but again our rivals are either there now or will be there roughly around the same time as us) but there will still need a massive amount of work to be done.
We need to massively improve our league campaigns. The season's when we lose it we are normally not any where near 1st place. We need to change that if we are to start to close the gap between us and the Utd,Real's etc of the world.
Clubs like Utd and Real was not built in 15 years. They was built over many more years, Yes they at times had gaps where they was not as successful but years was often sandwiched between very successful years. We have not really ever had that, Its been very much fits and starts and even then nothing massive like those clubs.
For all our recent success we are not even a teenager compared to those massive teams.
Yes we have played fantastic football throughout our history but league wise it on the whole has been for its most point unsuccessful.
We have a long way to go before we can even look at copying for a better word business plan or methods of success of clubs like them
We could have been nearer if we had not made so many mistakes over the course of Roman's time at the club but we cannot change that and the way the game is going with other clubs now getting big investment and with the money rolling into the game we have missed our chance to put some distance between us and those teams in England who have a chance of getting to that level but even then we would still have an awful lot of work to do.
The new ground will be a massive step forward (but again our rivals are either there now or will be there roughly around the same time as us) but there will still need a massive amount of work to be done.
We need to massively improve our league campaigns. The season's when we lose it we are normally not any where near 1st place. We need to change that if we are to start to close the gap between us and the Utd,Real's etc of the world.
Clubs like Utd and Real was not built in 15 years. They was built over many more years, Yes they at times had gaps where they was not as successful but years was often sandwiched between very successful years. We have not really ever had that, Its been very much fits and starts and even then nothing massive like those clubs.
Originally Posted by Dixon:
“If you don't consider that great success, then you are one very hard to lease fan!”
“If you don't consider that great success, then you are one very hard to lease fan!”
You're actually calling someone else a very hard to please fan? Amazing!
Originally Posted by linkinpark875:
“Another day another name linked with the job
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/foo...-Rumour-Latest”
“Another day another name linked with the job
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/foo...-Rumour-Latest”
"daily" and "star"
As unlikely as that is to happen, Mancini ending up as our next manager really would be the kick in the nuts that those 'fans' who were so keen to see JM sacked would deserve.
Originally Posted by carefree_blue:
“You're actually calling someone else a very hard to please fan? Amazing!”
“You're actually calling someone else a very hard to please fan? Amazing!
”
Originally Posted by carefree_blue:
“As unlikely as that is to happen, Mancini ending up as our next manager really would be the kick in the nuts that those 'fans' who were so keen to see JM sacked would deserve.”
“As unlikely as that is to happen, Mancini ending up as our next manager really would be the kick in the nuts that those 'fans' who were so keen to see JM sacked would deserve.”
Think i need to start a brig back Jose campaign.
this could happen
Jose at United
Guardiola at City
Klopp at Liverpool
we seriously need to get the next appointment correct.
Anchelotti is going to Bayern, so i think we desperately need to hijack the Pep to City link, or we can kiss goodbye to the league for a while
Jose at United
Guardiola at City
Klopp at Liverpool
we seriously need to get the next appointment correct.
Anchelotti is going to Bayern, so i think we desperately need to hijack the Pep to City link, or we can kiss goodbye to the league for a while
Originally Posted by codeblue:
“this could happen
Jose at United
Guardiola at City
Klopp at Liverpool
we seriously need to get the next appointment correct.
Anchelotti is going to Bayern, so i think we desperately need to hijack the Pep to City link, or we can kiss goodbye to the league for a while”
“this could happen
Jose at United
Guardiola at City
Klopp at Liverpool
we seriously need to get the next appointment correct.
Anchelotti is going to Bayern, so i think we desperately need to hijack the Pep to City link, or we can kiss goodbye to the league for a while”
Anything could happen at the moment.
If we start trying to work out where everyone will be we will go have a headache.
What we need to do at the moment is to sit down and take stock of everything from the top to the bottom with regards to the first team and the management of the first team and I not just talking about the manager etc but those above him also need to be looked at. Too many mistakes have been made by too many people (Jose included of course) for it just to be written off by just getting our number one choice in.
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