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I would say Oscar, Costa, Fabregas, Matic and poor old Ivanovic have all been worse. A few of those have improved just recently, but not enough to make up for some pathetic performances earlier on.
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#5777 |
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What are people's thoughts on Oscar now? At the end of last season opinion still seemed very much divided on him. There were those of us who thought he'd been disappointing for most of the time since his first season and weren't adverse to seeing him moved on, and those that wanted to keep him or at least give him another season to see if he could recapture his early form. This season he's been mostly disappointing again, but it's been a bizarre season where he's been far from alone in that.
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What are people's thoughts on Oscar now? At the end of last season opinion still seemed very much divided on him. There were those of us who thought he'd been disappointing for most of the time since his first season and weren't adverse to seeing him moved on, and those that wanted to keep him or at least give him another season to see if he could recapture his early form. This season he's been mostly disappointing again, but it's been a bizarre season where he's been far from alone in that.
We still see it in flashes, but he's never really lived up to that early promise. Like others, I thought he had perhaps played too much football. He was probaby asked to do an important job for Brazil before he was really ready. But that doesn't explain some of his mediocre performances recently. But we do tend to forget that he's still only 24, so I wouldn't write him off just yet. If he could just turn those flashes of brilliance into consistent performances over 90 minutes, we would have one of the best players in the world. |
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He was brilliant (oscar) when we first signed him, and did look a far better prospect than Hazard!
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#5780 |
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Yep, Tip top's posts need to be taken with a large dose of salt. People are foolish if they're taking them seriously.
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I like Oscar but its not been easy for him.
He came to Chelsea after not really playing much club football (played for the Brazil under's teams nearly as much club football) so really lacked that much needed experience. At that age you need stability more then anything else and Chelsea have prob been one of the least stable clubs since he joined. He has had alot of pressure put him these last few years with little or time to learn (plus you could argue no way of learning) how to deal with it. I like to see how some of how our younger players would handle the pressure like the Brazil team was under during the World Cup and one in this country. We would pretend we had a chance of winning a home tournament as we do any tournament but really if we was honest getting to the quarters would be over achieving to a massive extent but in Brazil's case THEY HAD to win it and for them not to and not even perform to a even our standard would have been a major blow to some of the players. He needs some time away from football, A proper end of season break (and not one like the insane one we gave the players last year) and a season of stability. There clearly is some talent there but he has got to learn how to transfer that on to the pitch and he needs help doing that. As much as he has not got to the levels we expected him to be I think we as a club are as much to blame for that as he is. I don't think we have given him as much help as a player like he needs |
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Striker crisis?
http://www.chelseafc.com/news/latest...newsflash.html It's very worrying that the club is so exposed up front. If Costa gets injured or suspended, with Hazard and Remy out (not going to even mention Falcao), we'll struggle. Said last summer, and a few times since then, we need to strengthen up front. Suggestions? I'd buy someone world class and not just as temporary cover. I'll sift through the answers over the next few days, and the best one could win a pint at the D&D. Can't say fairer than that!
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#5783 |
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We've probably missed our last chance to get a silly fee for him, but we should still be looking to move him on. Three seasons of "he's tired - he's played a lot of football" plus one of "he's saving himself for the World Cup" and the truth is he's just not that good.
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Striker crisis?
http://www.chelseafc.com/news/latest...newsflash.html It's very worrying that the club is so exposed up front. If Costa gets injured or suspended, with Hazard and Remy out (not going to even mention Falcao), we'll struggle. Said last summer, and a few times since then, we need to strengthen up front. Suggestions? I'd buy someone world class and not just as temporary cover. I'll sift through the answers over the next few days, and the best one could win a pint at the D&D. Can't say fairer than that! ![]() |
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Training ground
http://www.chelseafc.com/news/latest...newsflash.html
Looks like Oscar and Costa were training hard, and almost coming to blows It's a good sign, and I don't agree with posters who claim there's little change since the new manager was appointed. There was an immediate change in attitude, and behind the scenes, key changes to training with more variety, and more intensity it seems at times. That's good for the younger players especially, and readies them for later in the season when they might get a look in on the pitch. |
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Striker crisis?
http://www.chelseafc.com/news/latest...newsflash.html It's very worrying that the club is so exposed up front. If Costa gets injured or suspended, with Hazard and Remy out (not going to even mention Falcao), we'll struggle. Said last summer, and a few times since then, we need to strengthen up front. Suggestions? I'd buy someone world class and not just as temporary cover. I'll sift through the answers over the next few days, and the best one could win a pint at the D&D. Can't say fairer than that! ![]() |
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#5787 |
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I think we should convert Matic to a CF. Big, strong, good in the air. He even likes to dribble and take on defenders and sooner or later he's going to get a shot on target. Remember what an enormous success Chris Sutton turned out to be ?
Can remember every single goal he scored while at Chelsea I saw Maka score a goal I saw John Obi score a goal I saw Chris Sutton score a goal. Living history |
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Paul Furlong or Robert Fleck (if only we had played him in the 94 cup final it could have been so different).
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Yeah, it was me that said that Mourhino would eventually leave, and that he wouldn't turn the form around. A few idiots on here who spout nonsense said other wise. A large dose of salt?
As for turning form around we don't know what would have happened if he'd stayed until the end of the season, just like we don't know what will happen under Guus. All we can do is wait and see. |
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Both good shouts although Joe Allon has my vote.
We need to maintain some standards. How about Casiraghi? |
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Did he not go and end up working at Leeds? Ok things are not good but I don't think we need that type at Chelsea.
We need to maintain some standards. How about Casiraghi? In that case, I see your Casiraghi and raise you a Neil Shipperley. |
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You just reminded me of that. Think Wisey gave him a job there, didn't he?
In that case, I see your Casiraghi and raise you a Neil Shipperley. But sadly will have to go with Franco Di Santo instead |
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You just reminded me of that. Think Wisey gave him a job there, didn't he?
In that case, I see your Casiraghi and raise you a Neil Shipperley. |
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I thought we went as low as we could when a Leed's name was bought up but guess I was wrong now it's Milwall we surely cannot go lower
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I thought we went as low as we could when a Leed's name was bought up but guess I was wrong now it's Milwall we surely cannot go lower
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How about we all agree on Mark Nicholls then? No Leeds or Millwall connections, or really much else seeing as he vanished into obscurity after leaving us.
Is "world class" and I think scored against Spurs. What more could you want? |
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#5797 |
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Disappointing line-up.
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Trying to walk the ball in.
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#5799 |
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We looked comfortable enough, some nice build-up play but we should have more goals to show for it. We'll get punished against stronger teams unless we start putting our chances away. Still, RLC on now, should be interesting.
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Getting thru is the main thing. Decent performance though overplayed at times.
Good to see RLC score. |
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