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Old 25-01-2016, 20:11
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I love Ramires, but twenty five million!
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Old 25-01-2016, 20:24
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£25m for Ramires? Get the deal done at that price.

I wonder if Mikel fancies playing in China too?
If only.

Seriously though, £25m??? Absolutely mental.
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Old 25-01-2016, 20:50
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I love Ramires, but twenty five million!
What an odd move.. to go to a mid table Chinese side when he is in the prime years of his career. I know it has ex Chelsea man in charge, but here is a player who cares more about money than winning things (in a major football continent).
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Old 25-01-2016, 22:50
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What an odd move.. to go to a mid table Chinese side when he is in the prime years of his career. I know it has ex Chelsea man in charge, but here is a player who cares more about money than winning things (in a major football continent).
What a disgusting individual, imagine going to work for money? What is the world coming to
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Old 25-01-2016, 23:08
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What a disgusting individual, imagine going to work for money? What is the world coming to
What a dramatic over the top reaction to a pretty run of the mill comment.
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Old 25-01-2016, 23:09
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What an odd move.. to go to a mid table Chinese side when he is in the prime years of his career. I know it has ex Chelsea man in charge, but here is a player who cares more about money than winning things (in a major football continent).
To be fair he's already won the full set of major trophies at Chelsea, so who can really blame him if he's now thinking about where he can earn the most money.
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Old 25-01-2016, 23:10
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To be fair he's already won the full set of major trophies at Chelsea, so who can really blame him if he's now thinking about where he can earn the most money.
As many footballers do, but 28 and probably able to command a pretty hefty salary at some prestigious clubs, it seems an odd choice at this stage of his career.
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Old 25-01-2016, 23:18
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What a dramatic over the top reaction to a pretty run of the mill comment.
The fact anyone is criticized for going to work for as much money as possible is classed as "run of the mill" comment is sad. If it was in any other line of business such a move would be accepted as pretty normal.
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Old 25-01-2016, 23:20
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As many footballers do, but 28 and probably able to command a pretty hefty salary at some prestigious clubs, it seems an odd choice at this stage of his career.
Playing for prestigious clubs for a player like Ramires is not going to pay the mortgage in a few years time
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Old 25-01-2016, 23:30
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Playing for prestigious clubs for a player like Ramires is not going to pay the mortgage in a few years time
If he retired tomorrow, he will be able to pay his mortgage (if he has one) for the rest of his life. (he will earn around £3.5million next season if remaining in europe

So, if Hazard, Oscar, Matic and Courtois left europe and all went to China now in the prime or approaching the prime of their careers, you wouldnt think it an unusual decision and perhaps reflected poorly on their desire to achieve as much as they could in the best standard competition possible?
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Old 25-01-2016, 23:43
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If he retired tomorrow, he will be able to pay his mortgage (if he has one) for the rest of his life. (he will earn around £3.5million next season if remaining in europe

So, if Hazard, Oscar, Matic and Courtois left europe and all went to China now in the prime or approaching the prime of their careers, you wouldnt think it an unusual decision and perhaps reflected poorly on their desire to achieve as much as they could in the best standard competition possible?
Very different types of players and have access to very different revenue streams.

Just being able to pay of your mortgage is very short sighted. Going to a growing market like China for a player like him will open up some very different income streams and for a much longer amount of time. Plus the experience of living and working in somewhere life China could be very very interesting.

3.5M is a very nice figure but in a market like China he could earn more.

Football is a massive market now and for players like Ramires who have been attached to brands like Chelsea and The Premiership would be foolish if they did not take advantage of the opening of these new markets.

We have to start thinking of football being bigger now then the "traditional" leagues and countries.
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Old 25-01-2016, 23:44
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What a dramatic over the top reaction to a pretty run of the mill comment.
Par for the course. You get used to it after it after the first few hundred times.
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Old 25-01-2016, 23:52
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Very different types of players and have access to very different revenue streams.

Just being able to pay of your mortgage is very short sighted. Going to a growing market like China for a player like him will open up some very different income streams and for a much longer amount of time. Plus the experience of living and working in somewhere life China could be very very interesting.

3.5M is a very nice figure but in a market like China he could earn more.

Football is a massive market now and for players like Ramires who have been attached to brands like Chelsea and The Premiership would be foolish if they did not take advantage of the opening of these new markets.

We have to start thinking of football being bigger now then the "traditional" leagues and countries.
You brought up the paying of the mortgage bit!

Anyway, thanks for this response. Its a bit more reasoned than your initial one.

I sitll think that its unusual and surprising for a player below 30 who i think would be in quite high demand from some top european clubs, to head to a footballing back water at this stage just for the money, but I agree with your comments although, it will be many many years, if ever before China's standards are anything like lower league european standards... look how long it has taken in the US and they still only get the elite players at the tail end of their career looking for a payday on the whole..
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Old 26-01-2016, 00:05
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He has not to think of this contract but the one after. That's the most important one.

He has won everything at Chelsea and if he was going to go to another top side its likely he would the same as at Chelsea i.e a member of the first team squad more then part of the first team so really there is no much point in moving. He could go down to a decent club and play week in and week out or he could take this opportunity that could ensure him earning big money for the rest of his career and set him up for the rest of his life after his career is over.

A player like him as to think of the bigger picture. Yes he has earned an awful lot of money but its got to last him the rest of his life (and his families) and in a few years the income for someone like him is likely to be non-existent (when compared to now) this move will more then likely change that. Playing "top level" football is very nice but at his age etc, It's time to go bigger picture.

3,5M is very nice but it won't set him up for life
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Old 26-01-2016, 00:18
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As many footballers do, but 28 and probably able to command a pretty hefty salary at some prestigious clubs, it seems an odd choice at this stage of his career.
This Ramires move does seem to have come a bit out of the blue, although Paulinho left Spurs to join a Chinese side last year, and he's a bit younger still, so perhaps we'll start seeing more of this sort of thing?
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Old 26-01-2016, 02:21
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I wish they'd hurry up and announce this. Too many times in recent years it's looked like one of Ramires/Mikel would leave, only for them to end up staying..........
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Old 26-01-2016, 14:03
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Like I said before, add a goalscoring midfielder(if Pedro/Oscar/Willian do not improve in that regard), add a box to box midfielder(like what was suggested earlier, maybe integrate Loftus Cheek) and add a CB long term to play with Zouma and the team looks better.

Courtois
Azpi, Zouma, new CB, Rahman
Matic, Fabregas
Willian, new AM, Hazard,
Costa

Begovic, Ivan, Christensen, Terry, Cahill, Kenedy, Pedro, Oscar, Remy, Pato, Mikel, Ramires. Loftus Cheek.

If you're telling me a team like this ain't capable of winning a title I'd disagree.
I don't want to see Fabregas in any kind of defensive midfield position again. Doesn't everyone agree that he was much better on Sunday playing further foward ?
Playing a 4-3-3 with Fabregas just behind the front three pulling the strings should work.
Then, if Matic returns to his old form, we would just need a more dynamic box to box player.
I hope your new CB isn't Stones, not immediately anyway. We could get away with playing Zouma or Stones, but both together might be a recipe for disaster..in the short run.
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Old 26-01-2016, 14:12
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Think we need to see him play further forward against anyone apart from Arsenal. They are the perfect team for him to play. Their whole game is perfect for him to play in that position.

He tries to play the same game against other teams and we start to see issues.
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Old 26-01-2016, 14:26
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So hope he's goes!
Yes, he had his moments [crucial goal against Barca will always be remembered] but he was a scrappy, limited player. How someone with such a poor first touch and a poor passer of a football lasted this long at this level is a mystery to me!
There again, we have a habit of hanging on to players for too long - Malouda, Kalou, Mikel, Ramires and now we can add Ivanovich to that list.
The great UTD teams were ruthelss when it came to moving on players when past their best or not good enough.
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Old 26-01-2016, 21:25
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The great UTD teams were ruthelss when it came to moving on players when past their best or not good enough.
and yet they are hanging on to Rooney!
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Old 26-01-2016, 22:45
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I don't want to see Fabregas in any kind of defensive midfield position again. Doesn't everyone agree that he was much better on Sunday playing further foward ?
Playing a 4-3-3 with Fabregas just behind the front three pulling the strings should work.
Then, if Matic returns to his old form, we would just need a more dynamic box to box player.
I hope your new CB isn't Stones, not immediately anyway. We could get away with playing Zouma or Stones, but both together might be a recipe for disaster..in the short run.
See the PSG games last season or the Everton game earlier where he was useless at AM. Or the Liverpool game last season in the league cup semi final at Anfield. The issue is more that using Fabregas at AM requires Mikel+Matic together which makes the midfield very slow at recovering the ball. Fabregas at CM/DM worked vs buses as he could control a game from deep, that was Chelsea's main issue in 13/14(along with Torres). Oscar/Willian playing at AM means deep lying players from the opposition get marked out the game while Fabregas doesn't have the discipline or energy for that.

I was thinking a 4-3-3 with Fabregas a bit higher up(so he does not have too much defensive responsibility and has total creative freedom, but the way Chelsea play(the movement to the wings and interchange with the wingers as well as the defensive work required) it doesn't suit Fabregas to play at AM in a 4-2-3-1.

Not Stones ofc. Realistically I'd like to see an experienced CB(age late 20s) to just play with Zouma while Christensen develops. Worst comes to absolute worst Ivanovic could play there, CB probably more suited for him than RB.
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Old 27-01-2016, 09:02
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Lets all take a moment, to thank those responsible for signing Zouma.

He would be our first choice CB for 10 years.

What we should not do is get rid of players like oscar/ cesc / ivan / remy / etc

Even if we do get a great 1st 11, we should not make the mistake of selling the players who can come in seemlessly and play well.

Getting rid of schurrle and KDB was a prime example.
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Old 27-01-2016, 15:10
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Ramires transferred for £25 million. It's a good price, and with limited first team options and RLC coming through, you can understood the club there. I have always admired the lad, and think he had a very good attitude with great ability. Some wonder goals thrown in. Good luck!

In the end it seems to come down to having physically bigger players in the squad. Mikel, Matic and RLC are all physically very strong. I can remember a few times Ramires getting pushed over by opposition players. A bit like the Fabregas penalty claim on Sunday against the gooners.

I did not agree with Hiddink at all saying it wasn't a penalty. You can't push a player over in world football, and it's an example of the difference between the PL and world football. I've always said that allowing that sort of physicality is hugely detrimental to England's chances at championships. It discourages skill, and encourages brute force. Shoulder to shoulder is one thing, but just shoving another player over is a foul in any league apart from the PL. Stupid.
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Old 27-01-2016, 15:13
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It was a nailed on penalty against Fabregas at the weekend.
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Old 27-01-2016, 15:31
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and yet they are hanging on to Rooney!
Which goes some way to explaining why they are not the great side they were for over two decades. Fergie would have shipped him out by now.
They are keeping him on because he's sells a lot of shirts abroad.
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