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I love Ramires, but twenty five million!
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£25m for Ramires? Get the deal done at that price.
I wonder if Mikel fancies playing in China too? Seriously though, £25m??? Absolutely mental. |
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I love Ramires, but twenty five million!
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What an odd move.. to go to a mid table Chinese side when he is in the prime years of his career. I know it has ex Chelsea man in charge, but here is a player who cares more about money than winning things (in a major football continent).
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What a disgusting individual, imagine going to work for money? What is the world coming to
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What an odd move.. to go to a mid table Chinese side when he is in the prime years of his career. I know it has ex Chelsea man in charge, but here is a player who cares more about money than winning things (in a major football continent).
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To be fair he's already won the full set of major trophies at Chelsea, so who can really blame him if he's now thinking about where he can earn the most money.
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What a dramatic over the top reaction to a pretty run of the mill comment.
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As many footballers do, but 28 and probably able to command a pretty hefty salary at some prestigious clubs, it seems an odd choice at this stage of his career.
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Playing for prestigious clubs for a player like Ramires is not going to pay the mortgage in a few years time
So, if Hazard, Oscar, Matic and Courtois left europe and all went to China now in the prime or approaching the prime of their careers, you wouldnt think it an unusual decision and perhaps reflected poorly on their desire to achieve as much as they could in the best standard competition possible? |
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If he retired tomorrow, he will be able to pay his mortgage (if he has one) for the rest of his life. (he will earn around £3.5million next season if remaining in europe
So, if Hazard, Oscar, Matic and Courtois left europe and all went to China now in the prime or approaching the prime of their careers, you wouldnt think it an unusual decision and perhaps reflected poorly on their desire to achieve as much as they could in the best standard competition possible? Just being able to pay of your mortgage is very short sighted. Going to a growing market like China for a player like him will open up some very different income streams and for a much longer amount of time. Plus the experience of living and working in somewhere life China could be very very interesting. 3.5M is a very nice figure but in a market like China he could earn more. Football is a massive market now and for players like Ramires who have been attached to brands like Chelsea and The Premiership would be foolish if they did not take advantage of the opening of these new markets. We have to start thinking of football being bigger now then the "traditional" leagues and countries. |
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What a dramatic over the top reaction to a pretty run of the mill comment.
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Very different types of players and have access to very different revenue streams.
Just being able to pay of your mortgage is very short sighted. Going to a growing market like China for a player like him will open up some very different income streams and for a much longer amount of time. Plus the experience of living and working in somewhere life China could be very very interesting. 3.5M is a very nice figure but in a market like China he could earn more. Football is a massive market now and for players like Ramires who have been attached to brands like Chelsea and The Premiership would be foolish if they did not take advantage of the opening of these new markets. We have to start thinking of football being bigger now then the "traditional" leagues and countries. Anyway, thanks for this response. Its a bit more reasoned than your initial one. I sitll think that its unusual and surprising for a player below 30 who i think would be in quite high demand from some top european clubs, to head to a footballing back water at this stage just for the money, but I agree with your comments although, it will be many many years, if ever before China's standards are anything like lower league european standards... look how long it has taken in the US and they still only get the elite players at the tail end of their career looking for a payday on the whole.. |
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He has not to think of this contract but the one after. That's the most important one.
He has won everything at Chelsea and if he was going to go to another top side its likely he would the same as at Chelsea i.e a member of the first team squad more then part of the first team so really there is no much point in moving. He could go down to a decent club and play week in and week out or he could take this opportunity that could ensure him earning big money for the rest of his career and set him up for the rest of his life after his career is over. A player like him as to think of the bigger picture. Yes he has earned an awful lot of money but its got to last him the rest of his life (and his families) and in a few years the income for someone like him is likely to be non-existent (when compared to now) this move will more then likely change that. Playing "top level" football is very nice but at his age etc, It's time to go bigger picture. 3,5M is very nice but it won't set him up for life |
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As many footballers do, but 28 and probably able to command a pretty hefty salary at some prestigious clubs, it seems an odd choice at this stage of his career.
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I wish they'd hurry up and announce this. Too many times in recent years it's looked like one of Ramires/Mikel would leave, only for them to end up staying..........
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Like I said before, add a goalscoring midfielder(if Pedro/Oscar/Willian do not improve in that regard), add a box to box midfielder(like what was suggested earlier, maybe integrate Loftus Cheek) and add a CB long term to play with Zouma and the team looks better. Courtois Azpi, Zouma, new CB, Rahman Matic, Fabregas Willian, new AM, Hazard, Costa Begovic, Ivan, Christensen, Terry, Cahill, Kenedy, Pedro, Oscar, Remy, Pato, Mikel, Ramires. Loftus Cheek. If you're telling me a team like this ain't capable of winning a title I'd disagree. Playing a 4-3-3 with Fabregas just behind the front three pulling the strings should work. Then, if Matic returns to his old form, we would just need a more dynamic box to box player. I hope your new CB isn't Stones, not immediately anyway. We could get away with playing Zouma or Stones, but both together might be a recipe for disaster..in the short run. |
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Think we need to see him play further forward against anyone apart from Arsenal. They are the perfect team for him to play. Their whole game is perfect for him to play in that position.
He tries to play the same game against other teams and we start to see issues. |
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So hope he's goes!
Yes, he had his moments [crucial goal against Barca will always be remembered] but he was a scrappy, limited player. How someone with such a poor first touch and a poor passer of a football lasted this long at this level is a mystery to me! There again, we have a habit of hanging on to players for too long - Malouda, Kalou, Mikel, Ramires and now we can add Ivanovich to that list. The great UTD teams were ruthelss when it came to moving on players when past their best or not good enough. |
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The great UTD teams were ruthelss when it came to moving on players when past their best or not good enough.
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I don't want to see Fabregas in any kind of defensive midfield position again. Doesn't everyone agree that he was much better on Sunday playing further foward ?
Playing a 4-3-3 with Fabregas just behind the front three pulling the strings should work. Then, if Matic returns to his old form, we would just need a more dynamic box to box player. I hope your new CB isn't Stones, not immediately anyway. We could get away with playing Zouma or Stones, but both together might be a recipe for disaster..in the short run. I was thinking a 4-3-3 with Fabregas a bit higher up(so he does not have too much defensive responsibility and has total creative freedom, but the way Chelsea play(the movement to the wings and interchange with the wingers as well as the defensive work required) it doesn't suit Fabregas to play at AM in a 4-2-3-1. Not Stones ofc. Realistically I'd like to see an experienced CB(age late 20s) to just play with Zouma while Christensen develops. Worst comes to absolute worst Ivanovic could play there, CB probably more suited for him than RB. |
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Lets all take a moment, to thank those responsible for signing Zouma.
He would be our first choice CB for 10 years. What we should not do is get rid of players like oscar/ cesc / ivan / remy / etc Even if we do get a great 1st 11, we should not make the mistake of selling the players who can come in seemlessly and play well. Getting rid of schurrle and KDB was a prime example. |
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Ramires transferred for £25 million. It's a good price, and with limited first team options and RLC coming through, you can understood the club there. I have always admired the lad, and think he had a very good attitude with great ability. Some wonder goals thrown in. Good luck!
In the end it seems to come down to having physically bigger players in the squad. Mikel, Matic and RLC are all physically very strong. I can remember a few times Ramires getting pushed over by opposition players. A bit like the Fabregas penalty claim on Sunday against the gooners. I did not agree with Hiddink at all saying it wasn't a penalty. You can't push a player over in world football, and it's an example of the difference between the PL and world football. I've always said that allowing that sort of physicality is hugely detrimental to England's chances at championships. It discourages skill, and encourages brute force. Shoulder to shoulder is one thing, but just shoving another player over is a foul in any league apart from the PL. Stupid. |
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It was a nailed on penalty against Fabregas at the weekend.
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and yet they are hanging on to Rooney!
They are keeping him on because he's sells a lot of shirts abroad. |
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