Originally Posted by carefree_blue:
“Not 'World Class' then?”
“Not 'World Class' then?”
I wonder if he thinks Lallana is still world class
Chelsea Supporters Thread (Part 5)
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Originally Posted by jamtheman:
“ Not a team with Fabregas/Matic/Hazard/Oscar/Costa/Willian/Zouma/Azpilicueta/Courtois starting in your first 11.
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“ Not a team with Fabregas/Matic/Hazard/Oscar/Costa/Willian/Zouma/Azpilicueta/Courtois starting in your first 11.
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The problem is, with the possible exception of Azpilicueta, none of them would get into Man City's first choice 11.
Originally Posted by The_don1:
“I don't see the Pepe fuss.
He will be going to a competitive league of the first time. If Jose goes to Utd it will cause him even more problems Jose got to him last time and will do so again and put that with the normal premiership pressure that is very different from the pressure he is use to is going to make it very difficult for him.
Great manager but this is a real test for him. Does he rebuild from scratch? Does he keep the bones of the current team?
Either brings its own problems which he needs to deal with from before his first league game.
Every time we have heard a new manager or a club buying X,Y,Z will mean they will walk the league has resulted in nothing. The league is still a tough nut to crack and all teams having access to massive amounts of money (which is only going to go up) its going to get harder and harder over the next 2/3 years never mind over the next 5/6 when a few clubs will have bigger grounds. Really don't see him being there by the time our new ground starts to take shape never mind is anywhere near open. Might see out the 3 years but more likely 2.”
“I don't see the Pepe fuss.
He will be going to a competitive league of the first time. If Jose goes to Utd it will cause him even more problems Jose got to him last time and will do so again and put that with the normal premiership pressure that is very different from the pressure he is use to is going to make it very difficult for him.
Great manager but this is a real test for him. Does he rebuild from scratch? Does he keep the bones of the current team?
Either brings its own problems which he needs to deal with from before his first league game.
Every time we have heard a new manager or a club buying X,Y,Z will mean they will walk the league has resulted in nothing. The league is still a tough nut to crack and all teams having access to massive amounts of money (which is only going to go up) its going to get harder and harder over the next 2/3 years never mind over the next 5/6 when a few clubs will have bigger grounds. Really don't see him being there by the time our new ground starts to take shape never mind is anywhere near open. Might see out the 3 years but more likely 2.”
He won't need to do too much with the current team or squad.
They should be strolling away with league titles! All he has to do is get them to play as they can for most weeks of the season and everyone else will be playing for second place.
Originally Posted by Dixon:
“The problem is, with the possible exception of Azpilicueta, none of them would get into Man City's first choice 11.”
“The problem is, with the possible exception of Azpilicueta, none of them would get into Man City's first choice 11.”
absolute Garbage!
Oh dixon, you are a laugh. You are our threads batdude.
Originally Posted by codeblue:
“absolute Garbage!
Oh dixon, you are a laugh. You are our threads batdude.”
“absolute Garbage!
Oh dixon, you are a laugh. You are our threads batdude.”
OK then, name one of those players who would get into City's first choice 11.
Originally Posted by Dixon:
“He won't need to do too much with the current team or squad.
They should be strolling away with league titles! All he has to do is get them to play as they can for most weeks of the season and everyone else will be playing for second place.”
“He won't need to do too much with the current team or squad.
They should be strolling away with league titles! All he has to do is get them to play as they can for most weeks of the season and everyone else will be playing for second place.
”
Of course they would.
That's why they have been doing that. Oh wait that has not been happening.
You continue to bang on about what "should" happen yet it never does, Why is that?
You seem to think that because YOU THINK they should be playing a certain level that they will play that level. They have never played to that level and why is that? Because they are not as good as you seem to think they are.
Very good team but nowhere near good enough to dominate the league in the way you seem to think they can (even though you keep saying each season is the poorest you can remember). They still have a number of issues (like most teams do).
He will have a number of decisions to make and that will take time to do and also time to get those decision's put into place
Originally Posted by Dixon:
“OK then, name one of those players who would get into City's first choice 11.”
“OK then, name one of those players who would get into City's first choice 11.”
What has that got to do with anything?
Why if that is the case they did not win the title last season? If they are this amazing team why are they not head above everyone else? Why did they only win the title by two points the season before?
You are looking at the teams on paper and how they "should" perform on a computer game or on a Sky Sports statistic board etc.
These things very rarely work out in that way in our league and that's why it is becoming more and more successful each season.
Originally Posted by Dixon:
“The problem is, with the possible exception of Azpilicueta, none of them would get into Man City's first choice 11.”
“The problem is, with the possible exception of Azpilicueta, none of them would get into Man City's first choice 11.”
I'd take Courtois over Hart, Azpi over Kolarov/Clichy, Terry over Otamendi/Demichaelis, both centre midfield's at the moment aren't great, Hazard over Sterling.
Originally Posted by The_don1:
“What has that got to do with anything?
Why if that is the case they did not win the title last season? If they are this amazing team why are they not head above everyone else? Why did they only win the title by two points the season before?
You are looking at the teams on paper and how they "should" perform on a computer game or on a Sky Sports statistic board etc.
These things very rarely work out in that way in our league and that's why it is becoming more and more successful each season.”
“What has that got to do with anything?
Why if that is the case they did not win the title last season? If they are this amazing team why are they not head above everyone else? Why did they only win the title by two points the season before?
You are looking at the teams on paper and how they "should" perform on a computer game or on a Sky Sports statistic board etc.
These things very rarely work out in that way in our league and that's why it is becoming more and more successful each season.”
It's simply a case of them not performing to their potential. As we know, It can and does happens in all sports. If they play to their full potential they win the title with ease. Simple as!
Originally Posted by Draca_Noir:
“I'd take Courtois over Hart, Azpi over Kolarov/Clichy, Terry over Otamendi/Demichaelis, both centre midfield's at the moment aren't great, Hazard over Sterling.”
“I'd take Courtois over Hart, Azpi over Kolarov/Clichy, Terry over Otamendi/Demichaelis, both centre midfield's at the moment aren't great, Hazard over Sterling.”
I would rather have Courtois over Hart, Both very good keepers but Hart sometimes makes some errors (as all keepers do) that a keeper of his level should not, Not saying for a second Couriois is not the same but I not sure they are as bad as Hart's at times.
Originally Posted by Dixon:
“It's simply a case of them not performing to their potential. As we know, It can and does happens in all sports. If they play to their full potential they win the title with ease. Simple as!”
“It's simply a case of them not performing to their potential. As we know, It can and does happens in all sports. If they play to their full potential they win the title with ease. Simple as!”
"IF" is a massive word
So this is suddenly going to happen the second Pepe walks though the door?
The actual evidence of this is?
And actual evidence and not "IMO"
Originally Posted by Draca_Noir:
“I'd take Courtois over Hart, Azpi over Kolarov/Clichy, Terry over Otamendi/Demichaelis, both centre midfield's at the moment aren't great, Hazard over Sterling.”
“I'd take Courtois over Hart, Azpi over Kolarov/Clichy, Terry over Otamendi/Demichaelis, both centre midfield's at the moment aren't great, Hazard over Sterling.”
No way with the very overrated Courtois. He's not even as good as a past his best Cech.
Hazard
i He s struggling to justify his place in a struggling team in the bottom half of the table.Not surprisingly, Terry is showing his age now and definitely not the player he once was.
Originally Posted by The_don1:
“I would rather have Courtois over Hart, Both very good keepers but Hart sometimes makes some errors (as all keepers do) that a keeper of his level should not, Not saying for a second Couriois is not the same but I not sure they are as bad as Hart's at times.”
“I would rather have Courtois over Hart, Both very good keepers but Hart sometimes makes some errors (as all keepers do) that a keeper of his level should not, Not saying for a second Couriois is not the same but I not sure they are as bad as Hart's at times.”
Courtois makes his share of bad errors. Last week alone he dropped two simple crosses but got away with them, Not on the same planet as Cech at the same age!
Originally Posted by Dixon:
“Not surprisingly, Terry is showing his age now and definitely not the player he once was.”
“Not surprisingly, Terry is showing his age now and definitely not the player he once was.”
Once was? Oh by that you mean last year, where he played every single game, was the best defender in the league by a mile, and lifted the PL trophy.
I guess 6 months is a long time in football for Dixon.
Originally Posted by Dixon:
“Courtois makes his share of bad errors. Last week alone he dropped two simple crosses but got away with them, Not on the same planet as Cech at the same age!”
“Courtois makes his share of bad errors. Last week alone he dropped two simple crosses but got away with them, Not on the same planet as Cech at the same age!”
but still better than Hart at any age. dont believe the hype dixon.
Originally Posted by Dixon:
“It's simply a case of them not performing to their potential. As we know, It can and does happens in all sports. If they play to their full potential they win the title with ease. Simple as!”
“It's simply a case of them not performing to their potential. As we know, It can and does happens in all sports. If they play to their full potential they win the title with ease. Simple as!”
Who is measuring this "potential"?
Is it not possible they are playing to their "potential" now? The evidence might point to this if you look at what has actually happened over the last few seasons
Could it not be you over over-hyping their "potential"?
Is that not the most likely reason they have not performed to their "potential"?
Originally Posted by Dixon:
“Courtois makes his share of bad errors. Last week alone he dropped two simple crosses but got away with them, Not on the same planet as Cech at the same age!”
“Courtois makes his share of bad errors. Last week alone he dropped two simple crosses but got away with them, Not on the same planet as Cech at the same age!”
Ok so we compare him with one of the best keepers ever?
You keep with comparisons with past players which is pointless.
"got away with them" WTF does that even mean? That's Wenger talk.
Of course he makes mistakes that's normal but Hart for me still has a number of question marks over him, For all his "potential" he is still not as good as he could be.
We don't yet know with Courtois, It's been a strange time at Chelsea so until he has had a run like Hart has had at City then we really wont know who is better. The Data is just not there yet to get a intelligent and informed view
Dixon on another wind-up I see. Seems like him and Tit top take it in turns.
Courtois; Ivanovic, Zouma, Terry (c), Azpilicueta; Mikel, Matic; Willian, Fabregas, Oscar; Costa
subs: Begovic, Cahill, Rahman, Loftus-Cheek, Kenedy, Traore, Hazard
Courtois; Ivanovic, Zouma, Terry (c), Azpilicueta; Mikel, Matic; Willian, Fabregas, Oscar; Costa
subs: Begovic, Cahill, Rahman, Loftus-Cheek, Kenedy, Traore, Hazard
Originally Posted by Dixon:
“He won't need to do too much with the current team or squad.
They should be strolling away with league titles! All he has to do is get them to play as they can for most weeks of the season and everyone else will be playing for second place.”
“He won't need to do too much with the current team or squad.
They should be strolling away with league titles! All he has to do is get them to play as they can for most weeks of the season and everyone else will be playing for second place.
”
There's no point getting your knickers in a knot because City are appointing a top manager. We had one of those too not so long ago that would have been capable of standing toe to toe with Pep, but you wanted him out, remember?
Originally Posted by carefree_blue:
“There's no point getting your knickers in a knot because City have appointed a top manager. We had one of those too not so long ago that would have been capable of standing toe to toe with Pep, but you wanted him out remember?”
“There's no point getting your knickers in a knot because City have appointed a top manager. We had one of those too not so long ago that would have been capable of standing toe to toe with Pep, but you wanted him out remember?”
he did want him out! now he is reaping the rewards - with pep at city and jose at man u
dixon must be very happy
Originally Posted by codeblue:
“he did want him out! now he is reaping the rewards - with pep at city and jose at man u
dixon must be very happy”
“he did want him out! now he is reaping the rewards - with pep at city and jose at man u
dixon must be very happy”
The funny thing is if only one of our players is good enough to get into the City team according to him, then that would only go to show what a great job Mourinho must have done to get us to finish above them last season.
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