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Old 11-02-2016, 13:30
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Anyone else having second thoughts about the whole business of Mourinho and his departure ? I remember saying months ago (half jokingly) that maybe Jose was engineering his own sacking. At the time, I thought it was a conspiracy theory too far. Now I'm not so sure.
Mourinho signs a new (and very lucrative) contract in the summer and then proceeds to behave in a very bizarre manner. The bewildering business with the doctor and physio, fallling out with various players, allegedly upsetting half the team. Substituting a substitute in the case of Matic..unless through injury that is just about the ultimate insult a manager can bestow on a player. Then there was his general attitude and throw away remarks. He did little to raise moral or confidence even for the fans. Everything just became so depressing, including Jose. Did he intend to make his position untenable ?
Now we have all the rumours about him making a big play for the United job. There appears to be too much, from too many sources for it all to be lies. I'm beginning to wonder if he had some long term plan in mind from the beginning of the season. Or am I just reading too much into all the media talk ?
In my opinion and I think there will be many that agree with me, he wanted the United job after Fergie retired. Instead they went for Moyes and he came back to Chelsea.

Whether or not he tried to angle his way out of the club is not something I would comment on, however I don't believe Jose when he talked about coming home to Chelsea, they were his first love etc. He only cares about himself, he will look at going to United as not only going to a great club, but also how to get one over Chelsea. It's similar to his treatment of Barcelona, even though he'd spent years there when he joined Real Madrid. Anything that knocks his ego, Barca taking Pep over him or Roman sacking him again, gives him that extra edge to stick the knife in.
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Old 11-02-2016, 14:26
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In my opinion and I think there will be many that agree with me, he wanted the United job after Fergie retired. Instead they went for Moyes and he came back to Chelsea.

Whether or not he tried to angle his way out of the club is not something I would comment on, however I don't believe Jose when he talked about coming home to Chelsea, they were his first love etc. He only cares about himself, he will look at going to United as not only going to a great club, but also how to get one over Chelsea. It's similar to his treatment of Barcelona, even though he'd spent years there when he joined Real Madrid. Anything that knocks his ego, Barca taking Pep over him or Roman sacking him again, gives him that extra edge to stick the knife in.
Well yes, it would certainly explain a lot of things. I don't want to believe that he would be so duplicitous, I've always been one of his strongest supporters. Like many others, I've blamed the board and Emenalo in particular. But I can't help feeling that there's something fishy about the whole business.
Things just seem to have worked out so conveniently for Jose. His nemesis joining Man City, and (if rumours turn out to be true) he joins United with some astronomical contract (again, if rumours are true). Then there's the 10 page letter Mourunho is meant to have written giving his vision for the future at United. When I first heard that, I dismissed it as a load of crap. But thinking about it, would I really put it past Jose to do something like that ? Given his enormous ego, it could just be true.
Of course there's one big argument against such a conspiracy theory, Mourinho couldn't possibly have known that United's season would have been so (relatively) poor. Louis van Gaal might have had a terrific season, and Jose would have been left several £million richer but looking for a job elsewhere.
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Old 11-02-2016, 14:39
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Well yes, it would certainly explain a lot of things. I don't want to believe that he would be so duplicitous, I've always been one of his strongest supporters. Like many others, I've blamed the board and Emenalo in particular. But I can't help feeling that there's something fishy about the whole business.
Things just seem to have worked out so conveniently for Jose. His nemesis joining Man City, and (if rumours turn out to be true) he joins United with some astronomical contract (again, if rumours are true). Then there's the 10 page letter Mourunho is meant to have written giving his vision for the future at United. When I first heard that, I dismissed it as a load of crap. But thinking about it, would I really put it past Jose to do something like that ? Given his enormous ego, it could just be true.
Of course there's one big argument against such a conspiracy theory, Mourinho couldn't possibly have known that United's season would have been so (relatively) poor. Louis van Gaal might have had a terrific season, and Jose would have been left several £million richer but looking for a job elsewhere.
True - and we'll probably never know why he behaved the way he did earlier on this season, but Jose is a fantastic manager and no doubt he knows that there would be many big clubs lining up to take him on if the United job was not available, namely PSG, Bayern Munich (before they announced Carlo), Real Madrid, Man City (before they announced Pep).
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Old 11-02-2016, 15:32
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United had better be careful what they wish for....

When jose is our manager, its easy to overlook some of his antics (we received terrible stick from united fans because of them), and became a hated club again.

If the boot is on the other foot, and Jose joins our rivals at Man U, (as he is entitled to do), i will be pointing out every single thing he does wrong, and has done in the past (as i would be entitled to do).
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Old 11-02-2016, 15:34
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True - and we'll probably never know why he behaved the way he did earlier on this season, but Jose is a fantastic manager and no doubt he knows that there would be many big clubs lining up to take him on if the United job was not available, namely PSG, Bayern Munich (before they announced Carlo), Real Madrid, Man City (before they announced Pep).
PSG have added another 2 years to their current managers contract
Bayern have Carlo
Madrid have Zidane (and history with Jose)
City have pep.


Really besides United, there is nowhere else to go.

I doubt Arsenal fans would want him,
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Old 11-02-2016, 15:37
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United had better be careful what they wish for....

When jose is our manager, its easy to overlook some of his antics (we received terrible stick from united fans because of them), and became a hated club again.

If the boot is on the other foot, and Jose joins our rivals at Man U, (as he is entitled to do), i will be pointing out every single thing he does wrong, and has done in the past (as i would be entitled to do).
How very mature
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Old 11-02-2016, 15:48
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United had better be careful what they wish for....

When jose is our manager, its easy to overlook some of his antics (we received terrible stick from united fans because of them), and became a hated club again.

If the boot is on the other foot, and Jose joins our rivals at Man U, (as he is entitled to do), i will be pointing out every single thing he does wrong, and has done in the past (as i would be entitled to do).
So you're admitting to having double standards then?

I don't think the majority of United fans would be crazy enough to think it'll be plain sailing if Mourinho takes over, but for many they won't care all that much about what others think of him if he's winning them the title.
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Old 11-02-2016, 15:51
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PSG have added another 2 years to their current managers contract
Bayern have Carlo
Madrid have Zidane (and history with Jose)
City have pep.


Really besides United, there is nowhere else to go.

I doubt Arsenal fans would want him,
PSG - they want to conquer Europe, getting rid of Blanc for Jose isn't exactly an out of this world suggestion.

Bayern - at the time, most people knew this would be Pep's last season and they hadn't approached Carlo then.

Madrid - Perez still likes Jose, according to Balague a return to Madrid is always possible.

City - Again, it wasn't concrete that Pep was going to City.
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Old 11-02-2016, 15:53
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United had better be careful what they wish for....

When jose is our manager, its easy to overlook some of his antics (we received terrible stick from united fans because of them), and became a hated club again.

If the boot is on the other foot, and Jose joins our rivals at Man U, (as he is entitled to do), i will be pointing out every single thing he does wrong, and has done in the past (as i would be entitled to do).
So, if United hired a female physio and she came onto the pitch without Jose's blessing and Jose reacted like a prat, you'd be having a go at Jose this time and not the physio?
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Old 11-02-2016, 15:53
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So you're admitting to having double standards then?
United fans absolutely gave us pelters for Jose, and got stuck in when he was about to be sacked.

The fact that a few months later they welcome him with open arms is double standards of the highest order.

I was absolutely not happy about what happened this season, most of it is at Jose's door and his own doing. Good luck to United, they will need it.
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Old 11-02-2016, 15:54
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So you're admitting to having double standards then?

I don't think the majority of United fans would be crazy enough to think it'll be plain sailing if Mourinho takes over, but for many they won't care all that much about what others think of him if he's winning them the title.
I think the same can be said of most football fans, if he came to Liverpool and won us the title we'd love him too!!
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Old 11-02-2016, 15:56
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indeed. If suarez signed for chelsea i would demand that Brana offer him is arm to gnaw on at half time, when we were 4 nil up.
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Old 11-02-2016, 15:57
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United fans absolutely gave us pelters for Jose, and got stuck in when he was about to be sacked.

The fact that a few months later they welcome him with open arms is double standards of the highest order.

I was absolutely not happy about what happened this season, most of it is at Jose's door and his own doing. Good luck to United, they will need it.
United fans have always been pretty positive about Jose, well moreso than Arsenal, Liverpool and other neutrals. Jose has always spoken of Fergy and United in a positive light.
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Old 11-02-2016, 15:59
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United fans absolutely gave us pelters for Jose, and got stuck in when he was about to be sacked.

The fact that a few months later they welcome him with open arms is double standards of the highest order.

I was absolutely not happy about what happened this season, most of it is at Jose's door and his own doing. Good luck to United, they will need it.
Even if so, have you never heard of rising above it, rather than employing the tit for tat approach of a primary school child?

Saying they would welcome him with open arms is a generalisation anyway. Quite a few United fans appear to have reservations about having him as manager, but those will soon be dispersed if he gets the job and does well.
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Old 11-02-2016, 16:02
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United fans have always been pretty positive about Jose, well moreso than Arsenal, Liverpool and other neutrals. Jose has always spoken of Fergy and United in a positive light.
Very true.

Of course you get a some fans who act like idiots but I have found most Utd fan's pretty good when it comes to Jose and his antics.
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Old 11-02-2016, 21:36
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Oh Richmond Blue your theory has some validity, the guy was trying to engineer a sacking/not helping himself.

It's not like he hasn't tried this before. See his final days at Real when he knew the United job and the Chelsea job were available?

Although I would say that it wasn't obvious that the United job was available at the start of the season.
Anyone else having second thoughts about the whole business of Mourinho and his departure ? I remember saying months ago (half jokingly) that maybe Jose was engineering his own sacking. At the time, I thought it was a conspiracy theory too far. Now I'm not so sure.
Mourinho signs a new (and very lucrative) contract in the summer and then proceeds to behave in a very bizarre manner. The bewildering business with the doctor and physio, fallling out with various players, allegedly upsetting half the team. Substituting a substitute in the case of Matic..unless through injury that is just about the ultimate insult a manager can bestow on a player. Then there was his general attitude and throw away remarks. He did little to raise moral or confidence even for the fans. Everything just became so depressing, including Jose. Did he intend to make his position untenable ?
Now we have all the rumours about him making a big play for the United job. There appears to be too much, from too many sources for it all to be lies. I'm beginning to wonder if he had some long term plan in mind from the beginning of the season. Or am I just reading too much into all the media talk ?
Yeah, Mourinho also got a large contract at Real Madrid in the summer of 2012, the season before he went to Chelsea?

Could just be coincidental but considering the way Mourinho was acting he probably had a plan. Plus anyway there's no possible way you can get your team 1 point above relegation by Xmas. Still makes little sense.

However the United job wasn't clearly available at the time. At the time of his actual sacking it was though.

However I hear that the likes of Charlton and Ferguson are not really into the idea of José Mourinho being manager. They have little input into the manager choice(Glazers and Woodward are the main people responsible) although they are influential figures at the club. I think Mourinho thinks he's getting the United job though.

PSG - they want to conquer Europe, getting rid of Blanc for Jose isn't exactly an out of this world suggestion.

Bayern - at the time, most people knew this would be Pep's last season and they hadn't approached Carlo then.

Madrid - Perez still likes Jose, according to Balague a return to Madrid is always possible.

City - Again, it wasn't concrete that Pep was going to City.
He simply wouldn't go to Bayern. The politics there makes it hard for Mourinho to really flourish, plus they go for less controversial managers after the issue of Van Gaal alienating half the team and the failed Klinsmann experiment.

For some reason I don't see Mourinho going to Madrid? Maybe because he alienated half the team and tried to engineer a sacking to get to Chelsea?

It was concrete Pep was going to City. In interviews Pep said that he doesn't expect to be at Bayern for three years. His old barcelona boys are in charge at City in high positions and he said multiple times that his next job was likely to be in the premier league.

If that didn't scream Manchester City to you I don't know what would have. Maybe the fact that he didn't extend a deal?
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Old 11-02-2016, 22:02
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He's always been a calculating individual so it would not surprise me at all if he planned all what happened. Too much just didn't make sense. Along with the other stuff you mentioned there was the rubbish he spoke about scrapping our youth system knowing full well he had little or no interest in promoting youth. One minute saying the squad was strong enough and didn't need new blood, then whinging about the lack of new players.
Mourinho's a clear narcissist and he did the same when he realised that the Chelsea/United jobs were available(although they simply came at a convenient time). I'm not sure how much of it was calculated and how much of it is down to his ego.

Ideally I'd like to know what really went on with the Eva Carneiro case first and foremost because that would explain a lot of things. Chelsea are backing Mourinho's decision even despite his sacking.

I'm pretty sure there was a fallout too.
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Old 11-02-2016, 22:28
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Would Mourinho join Man United if they are not in the Champions League as it would be harder for them to attract the players that they want
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Old 11-02-2016, 22:55
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Yeah he would because they've spent 250M under Van Gaal and will probably spend more.
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Old 12-02-2016, 10:17
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Very generous of the club: http://www.chelseafc.com/news/latest...-saturday.html

They're not offering the range of the Dog and Duck (which is extremely good, I can vouch for them), but still, a very generous offer..
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Old 12-02-2016, 10:22
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Very generous of the club: http://www.chelseafc.com/news/latest...-saturday.html

They're not offering the range of the Dog and Duck (which is extremely good, I can vouch for them), but still, a very generous offer..
Not really.

The stuff is pretty awful.
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Old 12-02-2016, 15:43
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Yes I have but whats RL got to do with it.

In football its all about rivalry. Well it is for most of us.
Our rivals suffered, their captain suffered, we all laughed except you.
Incidently, they all did that with us and JT.
Thats real football mate, not all this feelings nonsense

Maybe it's my age catching up with me? At one time i would have been like you but the older i get the softer i become.


I wonder if we'll go for Mata, if Jose takes over at Utd?
As big a fan as i was of him, i'm not one for going to back to former players. He hasn't really been the same player since he left us either. But, the Chelsea fans still love him, and i'm sure he still has a lot of feelings for the club, so maybe it might be a good move, especially, if, as seems likely, Hazard moves on.
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Old 12-02-2016, 17:19
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Maybe it's my age catching up with me? At one time i would have been like you but the older i get the softer i become.


I wonder if we'll go for Mata, if Jose takes over at Utd?
As big a fan as i was of him, i'm not one for going to back to former players. He hasn't really been the same player since he left us either. But, the Chelsea fans still love him, and i'm sure he still has a lot of feelings for the club, so maybe it might be a good move, especially, if, as seems likely, Hazard moves on.
Well I am getting on a bit and I am the complete opposite, in fact getting worse

Really not sure about Mata but I guess its all down to whoever the new manager is and whether that type of player suits.
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Old 12-02-2016, 17:30
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Well I am getting on a bit and I am the complete opposite, in fact getting worse

Really not sure about Mata but I guess its all down to whoever the new manager is and whether that type of player suits.
And the price Utd would want for him of course.

Seem to remember we had him on pretty sensible wages as well which I am sure went up with the move to Utd.

Don't see much financial sense in making such a move if I honest.

If we could get him for 15-20m then maybe but any higher?
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Old 13-02-2016, 17:39
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Great start. Willian to Costa...goal. Looking quite sharp and focussed, but it's still early days.

Oh ...2-0 now.
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