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Chelsea Supporters Thread (Part 5)
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carefree_blue
13-03-2016
Originally Posted by Jokanovic:
“He will probably get a couple of games. One for the sending off and the other for not leaving the pitch. There was no bite however much some people want there to be.”

They might factor in an extra game because he's already been banned earlier in the season. Doesn't really matter though, as the remaining games should just be about giving the young players as much game time as possible.
Jokanovic
13-03-2016
Originally Posted by carefree_blue:
“They might factor in an extra game because he's already been banned earlier in the season. Doesn't really matter though, as the remaining games should just be about giving the young players as much game time as possible.”

And it will probably do him a favour. Will be fit for Spain
carefree_blue
13-03-2016
Originally Posted by Jokanovic:
“And it will probably do him a favour. Will be fit for Spain”

Probably will. On another note, I wonder if we'll ever see Pato play for us? What a bizarre signing that was, bringing in someone who was clearly a long way off being match fit.
The_don1
13-03-2016
Originally Posted by codeblue:
“Watch the footage. Clearly weird, but definitely no bite. The faux outrage and outright racism on the thread discussing this is awful.”

Maybe so but it's not important. It like many things in today's game just a bunch of people talking nonsense BUT before we start saying there was a bite or not or this happened or did not happen we should wait and see what happens otherwise their faux outrage is no different to our comments saying there was no bite and it's just anti-Chelsea/costa nonsense.

What happened is not important, what matters is if he is charged and found guilty of something, once that has been decided then at least we have something to discuss until then trying to hold a discussion with people who's main views are "he looks like something out of a gangster film" is as big of a waste of time as trying to find a intelligent conversation on TOWIE
Jokanovic
13-03-2016
Originally Posted by carefree_blue:
“Probably will. On another note, I wonder if we'll ever see Pato play for us? What a bizarre signing that was, bringing in someone who was clearly a long way off being match fit.”

Throw in Falcao and it's just another two transfer disasters
codeblue
13-03-2016
Originally Posted by Jokanovic:
“Throw in Falcao and it's just another two transfer disasters”

Absolutely.

The blame is with jose. Same agent as Falcao.

And if course, getting rid of Lukaku
The_don1
13-03-2016
Originally Posted by codeblue:
“Absolutely.

The blame is with jose. Same agent as Falcao.

And if course, getting rid of Lukaku”

Do they share the same postman? That is about as relevant as anything else.

Lukaku is still not good enough for first choice striker at Chelsea. He is at the level he deserves to be
RichmondBlue
13-03-2016
Originally Posted by The_don1:
“Maybe so but it's not important. It like many things in today's game just a bunch of people talking nonsense BUT before we start saying there was a bite or not or this happened or did not happen we should wait and see what happens otherwise their faux outrage is no different to our comments saying there was no bite and it's just anti-Chelsea/costa nonsense.

What happened is not important, what matters is if he is charged and found guilty of something, once that has been decided then at least we have something to discuss until then trying to hold a discussion with people who's main views are "he looks like something out of a gangster film" is as big of a waste of time as trying to find a intelligent conversation on TOWIE”

Gareth Barry has said Costa didn't bite him and Roberto Martinez doesn't think anything occurred that requires further action. Of course, you can never be sure of what the pathetic morons at the FA will do, they have proved themselves unfit for purpose time and time again.
I've kept out of that other thread, as you say it's just an excuse for some of the idiots on the forum to vent their bile. Any attempt at sensible discussion will be swamped by posters with an obvious agenda.
RichmondBlue
13-03-2016
Originally Posted by The_don1:
“ is still not good enough for first choice striker at Chelsea. He is at the level he deserves to be”

I have to disagree with you there Don. I think he's probably reached that level now. Mourinho was right when he talked about his link-up play, but that has improved immensely. He's looking better and better with every game, and already twice the player Benteke is in my opinion..not that he's much of a benchmark.
I don't Chelsea were to blame letting him go, at the time he wasn't ready for a guaranteed first team place. He didn't want to be a second or third choice, and you can't (or shouldn't ) force a player to stay. He's just one that got away, but every club has those.
The_don1
13-03-2016
Originally Posted by RichmondBlue:
“I have to disagree with you there Don. I think he's probably reached that level now. Mourinho was right when he talked about his link-up play, but that has improved immensely. He's looking better and better with every game, and already twice the player Benteke is in my opinion..not that he's much of a benchmark.
I don't Chelsea were to blame letting him go, at the time he wasn't ready for a guaranteed first team place. He didn't want to be a second or third choice, and you can't (or shouldn't ) force a player to stay. He's just one that got away, but every club has those.”

He is a very good player but I don't think any team that has serious ambitions of top 3 and having a title challenge would have him in their top 3 when it comes to their shopping list when looking for a striker unless they have no decent strikers and even then I don't think he would be number one on that list.

If he never played for us in the past I doubt many people even now would suggest we look at him.

Think he is one of those players who will do a excellent job when playing for teams like Everton but once he starts playing for a top top team he will be nothing more then a OK player
The_don1
13-03-2016
Originally Posted by RichmondBlue:
“Gareth Barry has said Costa didn't bite him and Roberto Martinez doesn't think anything occurred that requires further action. Of course, you can never be sure of what the pathetic morons at the FA will do, they have proved themselves unfit for purpose time and time again.
I've kept out of that other thread, as you say it's just an excuse for some of the idiots on the forum to vent their bile. Any attempt at sensible discussion will be swamped by posters with an obvious agenda.”

If what Barry and Martinez said carried any weight then yes but sadly when it comes to stories like this their views matter as much as any of us on here. It matters more how often the media replay the event and the mood of the FA.

We just need to see what we are dealing with first.

A)Nothing more then the current one match ban
B)a added ban for his reaction
C)a biting charge

In the game as it stands I can see any of those options coming true, before we as Chelsea fans start discussing what happened we should wait until we know what we are dealing with before we start talking like Codeblue did
Nova21
13-03-2016
Agree with the above about Lukaku, his level is just below top tier. There was an old Man Utd poster who thought that it would be worth them spending £60m on him and that he as the answer. A slightly better version of Saha is what he is I think.

And you're probably right that if he hadn't come from Chelsea then he woidlht be considered any higher than Benteke was when he was at Villa.
Eddie hunter
13-03-2016
Originally Posted by Nova21:
“Agree with the above about Lukaku, his level is just below top tier. There was an old Man Utd poster who thought that it would be worth them spending £60m on him and that he as the answer. A slightly better version of Saha is what he is I think.

And you're probably right that if he hadn't come from Chelsea then he woidlht be considered any higher than Benteke was when he was at Villa.”

An "Old Man Utd Poster"?

How unfortunate that you assumed I was gone.

Lukaku has 25 goals this season in a struggling Everton team, he has an excellent record for them overall, he is improving season on season and is an experienced PL and International footballer at just 22 years of age. His record is there for all to see. Chelsea were right to get rid of him in the circumstances at the time but there is no doubt he has kicked on and has plenty of improvement left in him at his age. Louis Saha? Do me a favour.
Nova21
13-03-2016
Originally Posted by Eddie hunter:
“An "Old Man Utd Poster"?

How unfortunate that you assumed I was gone.

Lukaku has 25 goals this season in a struggling Everton team, he has an excellent record for them overall, he is improving season on season and is an experienced PL and International footballer at just 22 years of age. His record is there for all to see. Chelsea were right to get rid of him in the circumstances at the time but there is no doubt he has kicked on and has plenty of improvement left in him at his age. Louis Saha? Do me a favour.”

Oi oi!! Welcome back. What a coincidence timing wise...I prefer you are here as you know your stuff. Though I disagree with some of your views. I don't think I was saying anything bad by quoting an old man Utd poster, definite no need for you to get upset by it.
Eddie hunter
13-03-2016
Originally Posted by Nova21:
“Oi oi!! Welcome back. What a coincidence timing wise...I prefer you are here as you know your stuff. Though I disagree with some of your views. I don't think I was saying anything bad by quoting an old man Utd poster, definite no need for you to get upset by it.”

Not upset at all!
Butterflies
13-03-2016
Originally Posted by The_don1:
“He is a very good player but I don't think any team that has serious ambitions of top 3 and having a title challenge would have him in their top 3 when it comes to their shopping list when looking for a striker unless they have no decent strikers and even then I don't think he would be number one on that list.

If he never played for us in the past I doubt many people even now would suggest we look at him.

Think he is one of those players who will do a excellent job when playing for teams like Everton but once he starts playing for a top top team he will be nothing more then a OK player”

Agreed. I don't understand the fuss about Lukaku. He wanted to be our first choice striker without fighting for his place and I'm glad we sold him.

More than anything, we really need to sort out our defence. Cahill and Ivanovic should not be anywhere near our team next season. I'm tired of watching Cahill backing off opponents in our own box - he should be thankful he's even playing at a club like Chelsea.
Dixon
14-03-2016
Originally Posted by Jokanovic:
“Well I blame some of that with the obsession to try and be like Barcelona.”



The 'trying to play like Barca ' went out the window the moment Jose returned and started messing with Mata.
Styles do not win titles anyway! It's about having the best players in a well balanced team that is very consistent and mentally strong. Style of play is only important in terms of how you prefer to see you team play.
Dixon
14-03-2016
Originally Posted by The_don1:
“I not sure how you was saying that.

We have done better because we have much better players

The comment was Utd have team team of decent players and you said we had the same when the evidence disproves that entirely.

You cannot just look at one small window (i.e this season)”

The original comment was not UTD have a lot of average players, but one that said they have some average to very good players but nobody outstanding. That is pretty much what we have!
Dixon
14-03-2016
Originally Posted by Butterflies:
“Agreed. I don't understand the fuss about Lukaku. He wanted to be our first choice striker without fighting for his place and I'm glad we sold him.

More than anything, we really need to sort out our defence. Cahill and Ivanovic should not be anywhere near our team next season. I'm tired of watching Cahill backing off opponents in our own box - he should be thankful he's even playing at a club like Chelsea.”

I agree about Cahill and Ivanovic, but hugely overrated keeper should not keep getting away with his share of criticism. Along with his other shortcomings, four times in a couple of months he's been done on a one to one on exactly the same angle as Lukaku's second goal. That is just not good enough for a keeper who was once rated as a top three in the world. Not even top six in the Premiership this season!
The_don1
14-03-2016
Originally Posted by Dixon:
“The original comment was not UTD have a lot of average players, but one that said they have some average to very good players but nobody outstanding. That is pretty much what we have!”

But that is clearly not true.

You don't win titles or come single points from 1st place without having outstanding players.

You don't have 6 players in the team of the season (and two in the season before that) if they are not outstanding.

They might not be playing outstanding at the moment but to say they are not top players is insanity.

We do have outstanding players the issue is they are not performing at the moment
Jokanovic
14-03-2016
Originally Posted by Dixon:
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The 'trying to play like Barca ' went out the window the moment Jose returned and started messing with Mata.
Styles do not win titles anyway! It's about having the best players in a well balanced team that is very consistent and mentally strong. Style of play is only important in terms of how you prefer to see you team play.”

And won the league.............. I know you try but lets not forget that eh

I was more referring to Ancelotti's team that was full of strength, power and balance.
Mata would not of got a look in with that side, not with Lampard & Ballack.
The_don1
14-03-2016
Originally Posted by Jokanovic:
“And won the league.............. I know you try but lets not forget that eh

I was more referring to Ancelotti's team that was full of strength, power and balance.
Mata would not of got a look in with that side, not with Lampard & Ballack.”

And as has been proven by his performances at Utd he is not good enough for a team that is going for the title in the Premiership.

Very good player but is lacking many aspects needed in a title winning team
Butterflies
14-03-2016
Originally Posted by Dixon:
“I agree about Cahill and Ivanovic, but hugely overrated keeper should not keep getting away with his share of criticism. Along with his other shortcomings, four times in a couple of months he's been done on a one to one on exactly the same angle as Lukaku's second goal. That is just not good enough for a keeper who was once rated as a top three in the world. Not even top six in the Premiership this season!”

Courtois hasn't been the same since he came back from injury but he is still young. I agree he deserves his share of criticisms this season (as you say, he's been beaten at his near post a couple of times this season and he made an awful mistake in our home game against Stoke) but it's too early to write him off yet. Even with the bad season he's having, I still wouldn't take any other GK in the PL over him.
RichmondBlue
15-03-2016
Originally Posted by Butterflies:
“Courtois hasn't been the same since he came back from injury but he is still young. I agree he deserves his share of criticisms this season (as you say, he's been beaten at his near post a couple of times this season and he made an awful mistake in our home game against Stoke) but it's too early to write him off yet. Even with the bad season he's having, I still wouldn't take any other GK in the PL over him.”

I agree. We were probably spoilt with having Petr Cech for so long. He was among the best keepers I've ever seen. Courtois does seem to have lost a bit of confidence, but at his best there are few keepers in the world who operate at his level.
This whole season has been a shambles, I think it's reasonable to expect our young keeper will have been affected in the same way as the majority of the team. He'll be back to his best next season, I'm confident of that.
Dixon
16-03-2016
Originally Posted by The_don1:
“But that is clearly not true.

You don't win titles or come single points from 1st place without having outstanding players.

You don't have 6 players in the team of the season (and two in the season before that) if they are not outstanding.

They might not be playing outstanding at the moment but to say they are not top players is insanity.

We do have outstanding players the issue is they are not performing at the moment”


We are talking about the present not the past!
But even if we go back to last season, the only really 'outstanding player' we had was Hazard and one top season does not make a player true world class! Even as champs we were a million miles away from being a really great team like the ones that won titles before. That was shown by us going from champs to a team in a relegation battle. That would have been unthinkable not too long ago!
The very mediocre level of the Premiership these days means that a team who were bottom a year ago can now be 5 points clear with 8 games to go.
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