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Old 20-03-2016, 13:32
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Do you blame Jose for everything?
Oscar has to take the blame for his own performances, but the hard fact is that he has not been anything like the player he was before Jose returned!
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Old 20-03-2016, 13:33
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Oscar has to take the blame for his own performances, but the hard fact is that he has not been anything like the player he was before Jose returned!
That's a yes then
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Old 20-03-2016, 14:40
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Oscar has to take the blame for his own performances, but the hard fact is that he has not been anything like the player he was before Jose returned!
He played well in the first half of last season as did the team. Shame you weren't ever around to comment on that at the time.

The player himself has to take responsibility as does Mata for his pretty woeful stuff at United.

Continually blaming Jose for everything is just lame.
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Old 20-03-2016, 16:37
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The other reason is that he made some terrible signings that clogged up spaces in the team for far, far too long - The dreadful, plodding Mikel. Ramires - awful passer and poor first touch. Malouda and Kalou were Europa league level and all four of them were at least one level below the rest of our otherwise excellent team. You can't join the very top teams with 40% of the outfield players simply not being good enough.
In your haste to blame Mourinho for everything you seem to have forgotten that Ramires was signed when Ancelotti was manager. No wonder no-one takes you seriously on here.
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Old 20-03-2016, 16:50
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In your haste to blame Mourinho for everything you seem to have forgotten that Ramires was signed when Ancelotti was manager. No wonder no-one takes you seriously on here.
He hates Jose as he won us trophies. Sounds familiar with another poster on here....

Hopefully Leicester wil do the job and win it. They are of course doing it the same way as Chelsea last season. Attack the first half of season, get a lead and defend it in the second. No doubt Claudio will be a genius in his eyes.
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Old 20-03-2016, 17:43
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In your haste to blame Mourinho for everything you seem to have forgotten that Ramires was signed when Ancelotti was manager. No wonder no-one takes you seriously on here.

So without going back and checking everything you know every single fact off by heart? OK, Ramires was signed by Carlo. Still a crap player who held us back.
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Old 20-03-2016, 17:49
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He hates Jose as he won us trophies. Sounds familiar with another poster on here....

Hopefully Leicester wil do the job and win it. They are of course doing it the same way as Chelsea last season. Attack the first half of season, get a lead and defend it in the second. No doubt Claudio will be a genius in his eyes.
Winning the title with Leicester, led by a player who cost half million , will be massively superior to Jose taking us up one place and with more money than anyone else to spend.
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Old 20-03-2016, 17:51
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He played well in the first half of last season as did the team. Shame you weren't ever around to comment on that at the time.

The player himself has to take responsibility as does Mata for his pretty woeful stuff at United.

Continually blaming Jose for everything is just lame.
Oscar played a few good games over a few months.
That does not compensate for his last three years of largely poor form.
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Old 20-03-2016, 17:54
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Winning the title with Leicester, led by a player who cost half million , will be massively superior to Jose taking us up one place and with more money than anyone else to spend.
More of your small picture mentality I see.

Lets not tell the full story as it would blow your "theory's" out of the water
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Old 20-03-2016, 18:00
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He needs time.

The gap between the youth set up and the first team is just too big.

Even our training games would be tougher then any game he has played
in so far in his career.

Is it a coincidence that out of three players trying to break into the first team the two that have impressed have been loaned out? While the one who has been less impressive has not?

Yet UTD give 18 year olds a chance to win big games for them.
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Old 20-03-2016, 18:02
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More of your small picture mentality I see.

Lets not tell the full story as it would blow your "theory's" out of the water
So which part of my post was incorrect?
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Old 20-03-2016, 18:10
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So which part of my post was incorrect?
Never said it was incorrect what I said you was only looking at the small picture, Very different to saying what you said was incorrect.

You need to look at the whole picture when discussing those days for example it the number of places between us and Arsenal that season was not the issue, Its was the number of POINTS, Also you need to look at the team mentality at the time and difference between those two seasons. You also need to look at business model and the business plan of the club at the time. You need to look what was happening to the "big teams" at the time etc etc etc.

If Leicester win it this season its a massive achievement but one very different to what Jose did
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Old 20-03-2016, 18:12
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Yet UTD give 18 year olds a chance to win big games for them.
Did they give him a chance? Was it because of his performances in the youth team set up? Did the manager say to his forwards "sorry I dropping you because this kid is playing amazing"

Or did he get the chance because of injuries and then he grabbed his chance much like Kenedey?

Again tell the full story and not the bits that back up your version of events
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Old 20-03-2016, 18:14
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Why are you crying about the youth league not being of high quality?

Do you watch a lot of youth league football?
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Old 20-03-2016, 18:31
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So without going back and checking everything you know every single fact off by heart? OK, Ramires was signed by Carlo. Still a crap player who held us back.
Hold on, you are either a clueless fan or a very poor troll.
Ramires held us back by helping us get to and then we win errr the Champions League.
And despite what you may think, it really is all about winning trophies.
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Old 20-03-2016, 18:35
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Oscar played a few good games over a few months.
That does not compensate for his last three years of largely poor form.
Helped us win the league, that trophy elusive to a few big clubs eh.
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Old 20-03-2016, 18:39
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So without going back and checking everything you know every single fact off by heart? OK, Ramires was signed by Carlo. Still a crap player who held us back.
But if you are going to make statements to back up your views surely it is important to check if those statements are correct otherwise your views are not based on reality?

No he was not a "crap" footballer he is a player you don't rate not because of his abilities but because you are not a fan of the type of player he is you refuse to recognize his abilities
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Old 20-03-2016, 18:45
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Did Ramires not win Chelsea player of the year? Thought that meant you was a good player since Mata won the same award.
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Old 20-03-2016, 18:58
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Did Ramires not win Chelsea player of the year? Thought that meant you was a good player since Mata won the same award.
He was also in the team that won the Europa League which according to Dixon was a fantastic achievement. He really must start remembering what he has written before....
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Old 20-03-2016, 19:05
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Never said it was incorrect what I said you was only looking at the small picture, Very different to saying what you said was incorrect.

You need to look at the whole picture when discussing those days for example it the number of places between us and Arsenal that season was not the issue, Its was the number of POINTS, Also you need to look at the team mentality at the time and difference betwee
n those two seasons. You also need to look at business model and the business plan of the club at the time. You need to look what was happening to the "big teams" at the time etc etc etc.

If Leicester win it this season its a massive achievement but one very different to what Jose did
The gap between us and Arsenal was purely down to a mental block, not the actual talents of the players. We could not beat them no matter what. There was even the game at the Bridge when we 2 up with 20 mins to go, then Kanu came on and scored a hat-trick in 15 mins.
We finally beat them in the CL and the jinx was well and truly over. Turn round two loses against them into two wins and that points gap is overturned.
It is no big deal to overcome just one team that is ahead of you!
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Old 20-03-2016, 19:09
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He was also in the team that won the Europa League which according to Dixon was a fantastic achievement. He really must start remembering what he has written before....
Oh come on!
He had a few good moments here and there and we will all be forever grateful for thar crucial goal against Barca. However, none of that can cover up what a poor first touch he so often had and what a poor passer he was for a player at that level.
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Old 20-03-2016, 19:18
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He was also in the team that won the Europa League which according to Dixon was a fantastic achievement. He really must start remembering what he has written before....
true buts lets at least look at the possibility he played poorly in that game and the win was in spite of him (possible)

So lets look at his individual honours

Nominated for player of the year in 2011/12. Won goal of the season twice and players player, Not bad for a "crap" player
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Old 20-03-2016, 19:23
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The gap between us and Arsenal was purely down to a mental block, not the actual talents of the players. We could not beat them no matter what. There was even the game at the Bridge when we 2 up with 20 mins to go, then Kanu came on and scored a hat-trick in 15 mins.
We finally beat them in the CL and the jinx was well and truly over. Turn round two loses against them into two wins and that points gap is overturned.
It is no big deal to overcome just one team that is ahead of you!
Again why the gap was there is not important. What the gap is not important.


Ignoring the rest of the points? Why? Because they don't back up your views?

Jinx? What are we talking about here? Some Harry Potter stuff? Did we lose because we had the wrong wand? Darn all we needed to do was say Expelliarmus and all would have been sorted
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Old 20-03-2016, 19:25
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Oh come on!
He had a few good moments here and there and we will all be forever grateful for thar crucial goal against Barca. However, none of that can cover up what a poor first touch he so often had and what a poor passer he was for a player at that level.
in your opinion

Guess the players who voted for him to get players players (same players who voted Mara the same award) was not football fans
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Old 20-03-2016, 19:26
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true buts lets at least look at the possibility he played poorly in that game and the win was in spite of him (possible)

So lets look at his individual honours

Nominated for player of the year in 2011/12. Won goal of the season twice and players player, Not bad for a "crap" player
Yep, definitely a player who held us back.
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