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Chelsea Supporters Thread (Part 5)
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The_don1
13-04-2016
Originally Posted by Heavenly:
“Usual knee jerk of cfc fans on social media blaming JM for selling KDB.

It wasn't his choice, JM wanted him to stay but KDB did not want to fight for his place. If he couldn't be guaranted a starting position, he wanted to leave.”

And of course the normal "experts" in the media.

He was not the player he is today when he was at Chelsea, Yes it looked like he would be a very good player but his performances did not warrant him getting what he wanted at the time.

He wanted to go, Unless he got what he wanted, He was not (at the time) good enough to get that at Chelsea (at the time), It was the same with Pogba at Utd.

For what he was at the time we got a fantastic price, People say we should not buy players like Stone for "potential" yet will turn around and say we should turn down silly money and keep players for "potential"

Its very easy for people to sit back with hindsight and little understanding of the situation of the time and say we should have done this or done that.
Jokanovic
13-04-2016
I don't recall any Chelsea fans at the time regretting his departure.
He wanted to go. No one complained last season he wasn't there.
Jokanovic
13-04-2016
Originally Posted by Dixon:
“Is it really?
He's gone into a bigger decline (going back to the last month of last season, not just this one) than the Torres we got from Liverpool.”

Torres was on the decline when we bought him and never go it back.
Far too early to say that about Hazard
Dixon
13-04-2016
Originally Posted by Jokanovic:
“Torres was on the decline when we bought him and never go it back.
Far too early to say that about Hazard”



When we bought Torres, he had a season that was not as good as previous seasons.
Hazard, has had a shockingly bad season that followed on from the end of the previous season.
I was a huge fan, but something big seems to be missing from his make up.
Sheva, was washed up and Torres was never the same again, but, unlike Hazard. I never felt they didn't give their best.
Hazard's form has been so poor that he doesn't even deserve a starting place in the poorest Chelsea team for 20 years.
Dixon
13-04-2016
Originally Posted by Heavenly:
“Usual knee jerk of cfc fans on social media blaming JM for selling KDB.

It wasn't his choice, JM wanted him to stay but KDB did not want to fight for his place. If he couldn't be guaranted a starting position, he wanted to leave.”

I blame Jose 100% for us losing Robben and Mata. Two great players for us who were delivering the goods week in week out.
I 100% support his stance on KDB.
The_don1
13-04-2016
Originally Posted by Dixon:
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When we bought Torres, he had a season that was not as good as previous seasons.
Hazard, has had a shockingly bad season that followed on from the end of the previous season.
I was a huge fan, but something big seems to be missing from his make up.
Sheva, was washed up and Torres was never the same again, but, unlike Hazard. I never felt they didn't give their best.
Hazard's form has been so poor that he doesn't even deserve a starting place in the poorest Chelsea team for 20 years.”

What has that got to do with his possible transfer fee?
Dixon
13-04-2016
Originally Posted by The_don1:
“What has that got to do with his possible transfer fee?”

Whoever buys him will be taking a punt and £32 million is a large amount of money to gamble.
Many young(ish) sports men and women have lost their way after showing great promise and a period of playing very well.
Hazard might get it back, or he might already be past his best. Getting our money back after fours seasons and with him looking like a Villa player isn't too bad a deal.
carefree_blue
13-04-2016
Originally Posted by Dixon:
“Is it really?
He's gone into a bigger decline (going back to the last month of last season, not just this one) than the Torres we got from Liverpool.”

There is absolutely no way Hazard is being sold off for £32m. Where have they plucked that figure from? Oh wait, it just happens to be the exact same figure that we bought him for in the first place.

Real Madrid may well want the player, and the player may want to go there, but if you think we're just going to sell him for a figure as low as that, when he has more than 4 years still to run on his contract, then you're living in cloud cuckoo land.
The_don1
13-04-2016
Originally Posted by Dixon:
“Whoever buys him will be taking a punt and £32 million is a large amount of money to gamble.
Many young(ish) sports men and women have lost their way after showing great promise and a period of playing very well.
Hazard might get it back, or he might already be past his best. Getting our money back after fours seasons and with him looking like a Villa player isn't too bad a deal.”

No they will not be taking a "punt" that is prob one of most illogical things you have ever said. It shows complete lack of understanding of the business of transfers.

Its post's like this I continue to wonder if you have your own views or take every single one of them from something you have heard or read from one of your "experts"

32m in today's game is not a large amount to gamble. It might have been a few years ago but today while its a relative decent amount of money its far from being a large amount
Jokanovic
14-04-2016
We have made some mistakes in the market and selling Hazard for 32m would be madness. One poor season doesn't make him a bad player.
He's still young.
codeblue
14-04-2016
Originally Posted by Dixon:
“Whoever buys him will be taking a punt and £32 million is a large amount of money to gamble..”

Im sorry, but this has to be the single most ridiculous thing ive heard in this forum

£32 million, trying to just get your money back on hazard? It being a "gamble"

Quite incredible, just incredible.
The_don1
14-04-2016
Of course anything MIGHT happen

Roman might invite the owner of PSG to a party and end up gambling Eden away in a game of poker. We might sell him for 10m and a packet of sweets.

But looking at it in a sensible logical and intelligent way, looking at all the factors that go into transfer fee's, Length of contract,long term name value of the player,The selling club,the buying club,The impact of the transfer etc then 32M is a highly unlikely figure. We are just as likely to sign Messi or Ronaldo then sell Hazzard for 32m.

Discussing who we might sell or buy or keep and for what amounts is a subjective business but lets at least try and keep it at some intelligent and sensible level
Heavenly
14-04-2016
The Daily Mail up to its disgusting tricks again.

Saying less than 1% of money given to Didier's charity actually goes to good causes.

Didier has released a statement. He will be suing. That rag is jeopardising the lives of thousands of children.

https://twitter.com/WellFoundation
The_don1
14-04-2016
Charities are a very easy target for the media.

People forget that just like any other business they have expenses. I have worked for charities (and even involved in a very small part during the setting up of one) and it costs an awful lot of money nowadays to raise money. Some of the stories I have heard about some of the biggest and most popular ones are shocking and make if true that amount of money going to the charities aims in relation to the amount raised a decent amount.
Nova21
14-04-2016
Will be interesting to see what's true and what's not. He has always striked me as a man who does everything for show, to be seem on camera and to try and come across as not an egotistical show off.

Sorry Chelsea fans!
Heavenly
14-04-2016
Originally Posted by The_don1:
“Charities are a very easy target for the media.

People forget that just like any other business they have expenses. I have worked for charities (and even involved in a very small part during the setting up of one) and it costs an awful lot of money nowadays to raise money. Some of the stories I have heard about some of the biggest and most popular ones are shocking and make if true that amount of money going to the charities aims in relation to the amount raised a decent amount.”

Oh I know that goes on all the time but this is a very personal charity, Didier is personally involved with accounting for every penny of where the donations go.

Glad he is suing.
The_don1
14-04-2016
Originally Posted by Heavenly:
“Oh I know that goes on all the time but this is a very personal charity, Didier is personally involved with accounting for every penny of where the donations go.

Glad he is suing.”

I don't doubt that for a second and doubt there is anything in the story of any real substance that is not pretty basic for all charities,

More that the difference between what was collected and what goes to the charities aims are more often then not are at times similar to what is being mentioned while with a charity like this we are talking about relatively small amounts of money when put against the big boys who would regard raising 1.7m a waste of their time and actually come out losing money on such a campaign.

I have very little doubts Drog has done anything wrong himself but the charity game is a game best involved in avoiding at this level as even if you have done nothing wrong you can come out of it badly
The_don1
14-04-2016
Originally Posted by Nova21:
“Will be interesting to see what's true and what's not. He has always striked me as a man who does everything for show, to be seem on camera and to try and come across as a not an egotistical show off.

Sorry Chelsea fans!”

No different reason then most famous people get involved with charities then?
Heavenly
14-04-2016
Originally Posted by The_don1:
“I don't doubt that for a second and doubt there is anything in the story of any real substance that is not pretty basic for all charities,

More that the difference between what was collected and what goes to the charities aims are more often then not are at times similar to what is being mentioned while with a charity like this we are talking about relatively small amounts of money when put against the big boys who would regard raising 1.7m a waste of their time and actually come out losing money on such a campaign.

I have very little doubts Drog has done anything wrong himself but the charity game is a game best involved in avoiding at this level as even if you have done nothing wrong you can come out of it badly”

We all know how much corruption there is in Africa. I don't doubt what you are saying at all.

But the personal comments I have seen already are so unwarranted, this is a very personal crusade for Didier, it must be crushing for him.
The_don1
14-04-2016
Originally Posted by Heavenly:
“We all know how much corruption there is in Africa. I don't doubt what you are saying at all.

But the personal comments I have seen already are so unwarranted, this is a very personal crusade for Didier, it must be crushing for him.”

Sadly that's the norm when someone like The Drog gets involved with this world.

Of course it will be very crushing for him but sadly I think it was something that always was going to happen when he started this.

You paint a target on your back and its going to happen. Not a nice thing to say about the world we live in but sadly its the world we as a society have helped to create
carefree_blue
14-04-2016
Originally Posted by Dixon:
“Who says every top club has to follow the RM way of running a club just because it's 2016?

It's stupud for any club to expect a manager to go to a club that's in a bit of a decline and turn things around in a year.
To 'stop the rot' and start finding the right players and style of play etc, should be the first season's goal. Second season to see significant progress and then to seriously challenge for the title in the third season.
Though there are exceptions like Man City, where anything less than a serious title challenge is not good enough!”

This is where you seem like a complete contradiction to me. You're claiming to be all for long term thinking with managers, and giving them time (even though you hardly ever do), but at the same time if one of our best players like Hazard has a disappointing season in a year where the team have underperformed as a whole you've completely written him off and disregarded anything that happened before it.
Dixon
14-04-2016
Originally Posted by Jokanovic:
“We have made some mistakes in the market and selling Hazard for 32m would be madness. One poor season doesn't make him a bad player.
He's still young.”


But it has not been one poor season!
He was awful for the last month last season.
He was terrible in pre-season and has carried that through the whole season.
His attitude and commitment has become very questionable.
He has not scored a Premiership goal in open player for over a year.
To me, it looks like he's lost a yard of pace and if he doesn't get that back he is finished as a top player.
I cannot recall a footballer of the year following it up with a season as bad as this.
If that is not a gamble then i don't know what is!
Dixon
14-04-2016
Originally Posted by carefree_blue:
“This is where you seem like a complete contradiction to me. You're claiming to be all for long term thinking with managers, and giving them time (even though you hardly ever do), but at the same time if one of our best players like Hazard has a disappointing season in a year where the team have underperformed as a whole you've completely written him off and disregarded anything that happened before it.”

I have not written him off!
All i am saying is that his future at the top level is in some doubt.
The real top class players do not have a dip in form as bad as this or for as long as this.
Jokanovic
14-04-2016
Originally Posted by Dixon:
“But it has not been one poor season!
He was awful for the last month last season.
He was terrible in pre-season and has carried that through the whole season.
His attitude and commitment has become very questionable.
He has not scored a Premiership goal in open player for over a year.
To me, it looks like he's lost a yard of pace and if he doesn't get that back he is finished as a top player.
I cannot recall a footballer of the year following it up with a season as bad as this.
If that is not a gamble then i don't know what is!”

You really are a doomsday supporter aren't you.
I've only ever seen you upbeat when Rafa was boss.
In your own words
Dixon
14-04-2016
Originally Posted by Jokanovic:
“You really are a doomsday supporter aren't you.
I've only ever seen you upbeat when Rafa was boss.
In your own words ”

But which part of my post was not true?

As The_don1 keeps saying, we have to deal with how things are, rather how we want them to be.
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