But very little of what you have said would make such a relatively low fee remotely logical in today's transfer market.

If you think that selling him for £32m is in anyway an acceptable deal then you've written him off.

He wasn't poor in the last month of last season either, certainly no more than anyone else. After he scored the title-clinching goal against Palace, the team as a whole took their foot off the gas against WBA and Liverpool, before getting their act together in the final game to beat Sunderland.

From the BBC match report of that Sunderland game:

Memories are very short. Hazard was the one who got us over the line so anyone thinking he had a poor end of last season is just wrong and fabricating their point.

Yep it's complete nonsense about him being awful at the end of last season, as is suggesting he's lost a yard of pace. Probably something Dixon heard someone come out with on a Talksport phone-in and is now presenting as his own opinion, knowing what he's like.

Maybe Hazard won't fully recover from the loss of form this season and go on to be the player he should, none of us know for sure. One thing I do know though, he's still young and I'd much rather keep him and find out, than see us sell him for a figure as low as £32m.

First off, I have not said we should sell Hazard!
Without him at his best we look a fairly average size lacking real creative flair. I want him to stay to see if he can get back to the player we know he can be.
All I'm saying is, imho, the 32 million seems like a fair price for a player who has played so poorly for so long.
If Torres was overpriced at 50 million when we brought him after a period when he didn't look quite the player he was, then how can 32 be such a bad deal for a player who has looked nothing like the player he once was? In terms of true World Class, Torres was higher up that rating than Hazard.

If you think 32m is a fair price then you really have little understanding of transfers in today's market and once again only taking a very small part what goes into a transfer fee into consideration.

You really do love to make comparisons that have nothing in common with each other.

I admit that all I am talking about is what I think his current value should roughly be. All this other stuff about being under contract etc is a different matter.
Some on here have been wildly overestimating the value of some of pur players with prices like 70 million for Oscar.

But its not a different matter

But when coming to a value of anything you have to take into consideration everything.

You don't say a value of a three bedroom house just on the strength of it being a three bedroom house. The value of one in central London will be very different to the value of one in Bradford.

Contracts etc is part of the valuation process. You cannot come to a figure without taking everything into account. His "form" is only a small part of the valuation process

What is the difference between posters wildly overestimating players (and I think only one has said 70m for Oscar and well its prob best to not take to much notice) and wildly underestimating players value?

I can't remember anyone saying Oscar was "worth" £70m ? I did mention that there were rumours that some Chinese club had offered a figure in that ball-park. But I only brought it up because it sounded so crazy.

I don't think you can base Hazard's value on his performances this season, practically the entire team have under-performed from the opening game. In fact, during the first half of this season Hazard was far from the worse of our big name players, I can remember several games when he was still our biggest threat going foward. The only difference is that some of the other players have improved since January, Hazard didn't and then picked up injuries.
Torres was completely different, and so is Falcao. They both suffered serious injuries (though with Torres it wasn't clear from his medical) that had a permanent effect on their ability to recapture their form. As far as I know, Hazard hasn't picked up any serious injuries ?

I think CodeBlue might have suggested something like that for Oscar at some point

Of course you cannot base Hazard's value on this season. Its crazy and just not how it works. Even if you could it would be too simplistic to do so and take it down to a low figure of 32m

Torres and Falcao I agree are utterly different and again its just crazy to compare any of the transfers to each other.

Ramires is the perfect example of how the transfer valuation system works today

Under Dixon's Hazzard's 32m system we would have sold him for £12.50 (on his view of the player) or maybe 9-10m based on his actual real abilities but due to his contract + the club who wanted to buy him + the selling clubs lack of real need to sell him + the message such a signing sends the value was rumored to be 25M.


So using the same system no matter how poor Eden has been this season there is no way you could reach a valuation of 32m

Falcao was clearly shot!
Torres fitness was tested rigourously. His sprints and everything else were the same as before his injury. With him it looked like lost confidence more than anything else. He showed glimpses of the former self so the talent and physical abillty was still there.

The Ramirez example is a joke!
China is just throwing silly money at the game.
Nowhere else would we have got anywhere near that for an over the hill clogger.

Which is why I said each transfer was very different

And I said that. Hence the bit about who the club buying him was.

That is part of the valuation process. Of course if the club had a different budget the fee would have been different

No, Torres had lost it as well. Just not to the same extent as Falcao. I watched Torres more carefully than any other player that I can remember. There was something missing and it wasn't just confidence.
The nearest way I can describe it is that ability to just explode away from a standing start that would leave defenders trailing, it just wasn't there any more. Very ordinary defenders found they could handle Torres without breaking sweat. Don't forget he never recovered for Spain either. He's been a bit better for Atletico but still just a shadow of his former self.

Think about it though. If a Chinese club was prepared to spend £25m on Ramires then what would one be prepared to offer for Hazard? Surely more than £7m extra, right? Even with the season he's had, think what a massive coup that would be for them.

Now Hazard may well have no interest in joining a Chinese club at this stage of his career, but the point is if you have a club willing to buy a player from you for X amount of pounds, you're not then going to sell them to Real Madrid for considerably less. Not unless you're completely desperate to move the player on, anyway.

Then the medical people at Chelsea told lies.

There's a lot of opinions on his appointment, including ex player Chris Sutton who thinks that as a disciplinarian, he's too similar to Mourhino and will fail. Totally disagree. The squad needs tough discipline, and tough discipline was not the reason that Mourhino failed. That was more to do with refusing to vary tactics, and refusing to rotate and rest tired and bored players.

What does the squad need? A world class centre back who can potentially lead the defence in JT's absence. I still think that the club should keep JT having said that, although if he can't work with Conte and accept his authority, then he should move on. A midfielder or two with physical strength who can tackle and contribute to attacking football. For me that means that Oscar is out. He has the odd wonder game, and scores the odd wonder goal but isn't strong enough and isn't consistent enough. Cash in.

We also need world class competition for Costa, as said many times. The lad needs to curb his reacting having said that, and maybe Conte can tame his weakness at being easily wound up.

Hazard to be sold for £32 million?! He has had a terrible season, but with some rest and recovery will be back to his brilliant best in the future, and in the £100 million category. I.e. a player who at the highest level can turn a game with a flash of brilliance.

There's also credible rumour (e.g. Daily Star) that Conte wants to bring in his own director of football. One thing is certain, and that is a manager needs the power to have the final say in any transfer, and that should be made clear at the outset.

What are you talking about?

No, I think it's more subtle than that. Some things just don't show up in a normal club medical. He was considered fit for Liverpool and Spain before he joined us, but injuries had taken their toll.

Hit the nail on the head.

Medical's like anything can only tell you so much.

The medicals in today's Premiership are much more detailed than the old days of blow in this and see how fast they are over 30 yards.
They have sophisticated data going in to everything that can be measured. Torres's data when he was at Chelsea was the same as it was when he was at his peak at Liverpool.
Look at that open goal from 5 yards he missed against UTD. He showed all his old brilliance in making that chance, then fluffed the esiest part of putting it to an empty net. The physical talent was still there, but something in his head wasn't quite there anymore. Even if he had lost a bit of his blinding pace, there was still enough left in his game for him to have remained a top class striker for many year to come, but sadly that was not to be the case.

Of course they was better then they was but they are still not 100%.

You continue to look at everything like it's just one factor that decides something.

Of course there was a mental issue with Torries but there was also medical issues. It was not as black and white as just a mental issue there was a number of factors and mental was one of them bit watching him you could clearly see it there was a physical issue as well

Torres was fit enough to play football, I don't deny that. But he'd lost the edge that had made him a great player. You're right, he was still a decent player, and remains so today. But the accumulative injuries had affected him physically, and at the rarified level top players operate it doesn't take much to lose that vital edge.
I agree, psychological issues must have played a part as well. He was still quite young when he joined us, and it must have been difficult to accept that he probably needed to adjust his game. As I said, he was still a good player. If we'd signed him at £20m it might even have been a great deal. But he was never going to be a £50m striker again.