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Yes, but you could say that Lukaku has already achieved much of that potential. Scoring 60 goals in 130 appearances in the PL with WBA and Everton is impressive whichever way you look at it. He's already a £30/35m striker (in my opinion) the gamble would be on whether he can make that extra step up.
I'm not saying we should try to buy him, but I don't think it would be the worst decision we could make. He has improved since leaving Chelsea (when i was never his biggest fan) still got some of the same shortcomings but has done enough work on them for me to be not to worried if he bought him in. When he was here last time he was not good enough for the squad today he is |
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I don't ever see him becoming the next Drogba.
He simply doesn't have the athletic ability and movement that Drog had. Drogba was the ultimate big game player who troubled the very best defences in England and Europe. Lukaka looks short against the best but he will score a lot of goals in an OK team against OK level teams. For me, there's still far too much of the great, lumbering giant about Lukaku, and add that to his less than top class first touch makes him a player not good enough for a team that wants to win the CL. |
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If we sold Costa and bought him in then I would be worried but if we kept Costa and bought him in as well then yep it would not be an awful decision.
He has improved since leaving Chelsea (when i was never his biggest fan) still got some of the same shortcomings but has done enough work on them for me to be not to worried if he bought him in. When he was here last time he was not good enough for the squad today he is |
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I don't ever see him becoming the next Drogba.
He simply doesn't have the athletic ability and movement that Drog had. Drogba was the ultimate big game player who troubled the very best defences in England and Europe. Lukaka looks short against the best but he will score a lot of goals in an OK team against OK level teams. For me, there's still far too much of the great, lumbering giant about Lukaku, and add that to his less than top class first touch makes him a player not good enough for a team that wants to win the CL.
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There were Chelsea fans who thought the same about Drogba in his first season, he wasn't so great to begin with. Drogba joined us at 26 and probably didn't reach his best until a couple of years later. Plenty of time for Lukaku, and he looked pretty athletic when he went past three or four of our defenders like they were a group of traffic cones.
![]() I'm talking about him lacking mobility and nifty foot work and movement in tight spaces. The same goes for Zouma. OK using his big leg strude moving forward in straight lines, but lacks the ability to adjust their feet and body quickly enough. The top teams have technically very sound players leading their front line, not big bulldozers |
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There were Chelsea fans who thought the same about Drogba in his first season, he wasn't so great to begin with. Drogba joined us at 26 and probably didn't reach his best until a couple of years later. Plenty of time for Lukaku, and he looked pretty athletic when he went past three or four of our defenders like they were a group of traffic cones.
![]() ![]() Think it was his 2nd or 3rd season when we had a poor CL and he seemed to be very clumsy. He improved so much with age to become arguably our best ever player. Lukaku needs time. Whether he will ever be as good as Drogba is another question... |
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I was one of them
![]() Think it was his 2nd or 3rd season when we had a poor CL and he seemed to be very clumsy. He improved so much with age to become arguably our best ever player. Lukaku needs time. Whether he will ever be as good as Drogba is another question... What Lukaku will be if he continues his current development is someone who will just put the small object the players spending their time chasing into the netting at the end of the pitch. Will he always have games where he plays at his very best? Nope he might go a few games where he misses simple taps ins and games where he wont get a sniff but he will then go on a run of games where he is unstoppable |
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I'm nor saying he doesn't have some strengths.
I'm talking about him lacking mobility and nifty foot work and movement in tight spaces. The same goes for Zouma. OK using his big leg strude moving forward in straight lines, but lacks the ability to adjust their feet and body quickly enough. The top teams have technically very sound players leading their front line, not big bulldozers |
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Bulldozers are very very useful at times more so in the Premiership
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Bulldozers are very very useful at times more so in the Premiership
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They can be, but I'd put Lukaku a level above the usual "bulldozer". To me that suggests the likes of Andy Carroll and Benteke, I think Lukaku has a bit more than that.
As you have said it depends on what you are looking for and the criteria you are looking at when making a signing. If you are measuring it against certain criteria then no he would not make for a good signing, If you are doing it against other criteria then he come be anything between a decent signing and a excellent one |
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I certainly wouldn't want to replace Costa with Lukaku.
If he was being signed as a 2nd choice striker to replace Remy that would be ok, but I can't see him accepting that sort of role. He'll want to be the main striker wherever he plays. I just knew he was going to miss that penalty the other day before he even ran up to take it. I had flashbacks of the Super Cup final vs Bayern. I still question if he can deliver when the pressure's really on in the big games which he'd need to at a top club. He's still young i suppose, but then other players have shown it not to be a factor. |
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They can be, but I'd put Lukaku a level above the usual "bulldozer". To me that suggests the likes of Andy Carroll and Benteke, I think Lukaku has a bit more than that.
We have to be realistic and accept the elite strikers are at the top clubs and will not be coming to Chelsea. Therefore, we shall be looking for players at a level or two below that elite level. |
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I certainly wouldn't want to replace Costa with Lukaku.
If he was being signed as a 2nd choice striker to replace Remy that would be ok, but I can't see him accepting that sort of role. He'll want to be the main striker wherever he plays. I think its 50/50 as to the route he goes down (even if its not Chelsea he goes to) |
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I think Carroll is a technically better player than Lukaku. Carroll's two big drawbacks are a lack of pace and being so injury prone.
We have to be realistic and accept the elite strikers are at the top clubs and will not be coming to Chelsea. Therefore, we shall be looking for players at a level or two below that elite level. |
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I think Carroll is a technically better player than Lukaku. Carroll's two big drawbacks are a lack of pace and being so injury prone.
We have to be realistic and accept the elite strikers are at the top clubs and will not be coming to Chelsea. Therefore, we shall be looking for players at a level or two below that elite level. |
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Andy Carroll is terrific in the air, I'll give you that. But technically better than Lukaku ?..no way, not in my opinion anyway.
I would actually like us to sign Carroll. He'd cost a fraction of what it would cost us to buy back Luka. He would be happy to be the number two, bring something to the squad that we do not currently have, and i also think he could work well with Costa, which is something i cannot see Luka doing. |
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Carroll has a very good first touch for a big man. Certainly better than Lukaku's !
I would actually like us to sign Carroll. He'd cost a fraction of what it would cost us to buy back Luka. He would be happy to be the number two, bring something to the squad that we do not currently have, and i also think he could work well with Costa, which is something i cannot see Luka doing. |
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Carroll is not a bad player, but don't you think we've had enough injury prone strikers lately without looking to bring in another one?
The number one priority though must be a defensive midfielder who doesn't move like a man walking on stilts through mud. Without that we are going nowhere next season. |
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Yes, but unlike some of the others, he's not old and clearly never going to be the same player he once was, If we bought him we could afford another decent forward as well giving us three decent strikers to play with.
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We don't even know how Conte is going to set up next season.
Before we start wasting money on players he needs to look at what he has and balance that out with what investment is needed to improve on those players Matic for example we cannot just look at one season (or one and half for some) but over his entire career. Looking at that says on the whole he is good enough to operate at this level (especially when its not just been him this season but the entire club that has not performed) unless we find a player who is actually worth a massive amount of money (talking record breaking) and there are not that many of them available even if we could spend that sort of cash on just one position or we cut the deal of entire history of football transfers more so when we also have Mikel and RLC (who can operate to a decent level in that role). We cannot just buy players because they are better then the current lot of played this season. If we are buying a player for say 35m they have got to be that much better what we have now and that's unlikely to happen given the value and current level of our current squad. Every signing has to carefully balanced against what we have now and their value (realistic one) and what they can offer us going forward. |
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Traoe has to be our 3rd choice striker next season. His performances this season (and those before that) have deserved that at least
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Traoe has to be our 3rd choice striker next season. His performances this season (and those before that) have deserved that at least
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Yep, he's done more than Lukaku and KDB ever did when they were at the club, and in a team that's not been doing as well. Certainly deserves a chance.
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And with all due respect to Remy (who has been unlucky with injuries etc) you could argue he has done more then Remy this season, He is closer to pushing Remy to be our 2nd choice striker then Remy is pushing Costa to be our first choice striker and we need our 2nd choice striker to be doing that
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