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Pretty sure Salah signed for Roma last year, the same time as Dzeko from Man City.
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Pretty sure Salah signed for Roma last year, the same time as Dzeko from Man City.
Abraham, Tammy Aina, Temitayo Olufisayo Olaoluwa (Offer) Ake, Nathan Benjamin Ali, Mukhtar Abdullahi Angban, Bekanty Victorien Azpilicueta Tanco, Cesar Baba, Abdul Rahman Baker, Lewis Renard Bamford, Patrick James Beeney, Mitchell Ryan Begovic, Asmir Blackman, Jamal Clint-Ross Boga, Jeremie Borges da Silva, Willian Brown, Isiah Jay Cahill, Gary James Chalobah, Nathaniel Nyakie Christensen, Andreas Bodtker Christie-Davies, Isaac David Clarke-Salter, Jake-Liam Colkett, Charlie Collins, Bradley Ray Conroy, Dion John Courtois, Thibaut Cuadrado Bello, Juan Guillermo Cuevas Jara, Cristian Alejandro Da Silva Costa, Diego Dabo, Sheik Mohamed Fankaty Dasilva, Jay Rhys Davey, Alex James De Souza, Nathan Allan Delac, Matej Djilobodji, El Hadji Papy Mison Dos Santos Emboaba , Oscar Fabregas Soler, Francesc Feruz, Islam Grant, Joshua Hazard, Eden Hector, Michael Anthony James Houghton, Jordan Ivanovic, Branislav Kalas, Tomas Kane, Todd Arthur Lucien Kiwomya, Andrew Alexander (Offer) Loftus Cheek, Ruben Maddox, Jacob Marin, Marko Matic, Nemanja Miazga, Matthew Mikel, John Obi Mitchell, Reece Steven (Offer) Moses, Victor Mount, Mason Muheim, Miro Max Maria Musonda, Charles Nunes Nascimento, Robert Kenedy Oliveira Dos Santos, Wallace Omeruo, Kenneth Palmer, Kasey Remel Pantic, Danilo Pasalic, Mario Perica, Stipe Piazon, Lucas Domingues Quintero Quintero, Josimar Aldair Remy, Loic Rodriguez Gonzalez, Jhoao Leandro Rodriguez Ledesma, Pedro Eliezer Salah, Mohamed Sammut, Ruben Scott, Kyle Solanke-Mitchell, Dominic Ayodele Suljic, Ali Swift, John David (Offer) Terry, John George (Offer) Thompson, Jared Tomori, Fikayo Traore, Bertrand Twasam, Christian Atsu Ugbo, Ike Van Ginkel, Wulfert Cornelius Wakefield, Charlie Mark Zouma, Kurt Happy |
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Chelsea Contract Players on the PL website
http://www.transfermarkt.com/mohamed...spieler/148455 Also, Kurt Zouma's middle name is 'Happy'??
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Somebody is wrong. My money is on the PL website. Don't forget there was also the deal where Fiorentina were threatening to sue everyone over him moving to Roma. Lots on confusion.....
http://www.transfermarkt.com/mohamed...spieler/148455 Also, Kurt Zouma's middle name is 'Happy'?? ![]()
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Somebody is wrong. My money is on the PL website. Don't forget there was also the deal where Fiorentina were threatening to sue everyone over him moving to Roma. Lots on confusion.....
http://www.transfermarkt.com/mohamed...spieler/148455 |
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A very good result, and it's good to see variety, a fit squad and fringe players being given a real chance. None of those very important factors were there this time last season.
Moses is being given a chance and is making the most of it. I also agree that Ola Aina is looking good at RB and cover there is vital. Branna is way, way past his best. A comment on the changes. There are still some die hard mourhino fans around, and I say things as I see them. Takes Moses for example. He played very well last pre season and was not retained. Loftus Cheek was also publicly criticised by mourhino. The club has to move forward, give players a real chance, treat them fairly and rest them when needed. Those are very important changes, and there can be no going back to the mourhino days where pecking orders were all that mattered. If you're good enough and playing well, you get a chance. It's as simple as that. If you're off form for whatever reason, you get dropped, irrespective of how good you have been in the past. Anyone seen Dixon around? The lad used to post some decent comments.. I happen to agree with you about Moses. He's 25 years old, give him a chance or sell him. I don't see the point of constantly loaning him out. Loftus Cheek is a difficult one. He obviously has bags of talent and all the tools to become a top player. But figuring out the best way to fit him into our team is not so easy. It would be perfect for us if he could develope into the box-to-box player we've been missing since Lampard left. But he doesn't appear to have the energy and pace for that. Playing a 4-2-4 or 4-4-2 makes it even more difficult to find a place for RLC. He certainly doesn't look like a defensive midfielder and if you want creativity you're going to turn to Fabregas, This is probably why Conte is trying him out as a secondary striker. |
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Can't you make a single post without making a dig at Mourinho ? It's becoming tiresome.
I happen to agree with you about Moses. He's 25 years old, give him a chance or sell him. I don't see the point of constantly loaning him out. Loftus Cheek is a difficult one. He obviously has bags of talent and all the tools to become a top player. But figuring out the best way to fit him into our team is not so easy. It would be perfect for us if he could develope into the box-to-box player we've been missing since Lampard left. But he doesn't appear to have the energy and pace for that. Playing a 4-2-4 or 4-4-2 makes it even more difficult to find a place for RLC. He certainly doesn't look like a defensive midfielder and if you want creativity you're going to turn to Fabregas, This is probably why Conte is trying him out as a secondary striker. Chelsea fans will always have a special place for Jose but he's gone now and it's the past. We have all moved on. Those who want to still go on about him are not Chelsea fans and especially the one you question. He is a Liverpool fan. They will always have a dislike for him and that's fair enough. If you feed the trolls they keep coming back for more. I guess college is finished and there is time on their hands... As for Moses, he's not good enough and never will be. If he's not good enough for Liverpool, Stoke or West Ham then he sure isnt what we need. He may well not want to be sold and wants to see out his contract. Who can blame him ! |
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He may well not want to be sold and wants to see out his contract. Who can blame him !
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We gave him a new 4 year contract last summer. That may have been more to maintain his value than us having any real plans for him, but I don't think we would have done that if we wanted to sell him but he was refusing to go.
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We gave him a new 4 year contract last summer. That may have been more to maintain his value than us having any real plans for him, but I don't think we would have done that if we wanted to sell him but he was refusing to go.
I remember thinking he looked OK in some of the games he played for us, which is more than I can say for Cuadrado. But I'm not saying we should necessarily keep him, just make a decision one way or other and let him find a level that suits him. I find it hard to believe he can be happy with life as a Chelsea loanee season after season. |
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Yes, he's had a strange career really. Moses has been named "man of the match" for Stoke, West Ham and ourselves in the past, which suggests he has "something".
I remember thinking he looked OK in some of the games he played for us, which is more than I can say for Cuadrado. But I'm not saying we should necessarily keep him, just make a decision one way or other and let him find a level that suits him. I find it hard to believe he can be happy with life as a Chelsea loanee season after season. Really do hope we get a new centre-back sorted out asap. Only just over a couple of weeks to the start of the season now, it's creeping up fast. |
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is Zouma back in training?
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is Zouma back in training?
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Reports that we have had a £57 million bid for Lukaku rejected by Everton.
Apparently they are holding out for £75 million! Should we even be entertaining this? |
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Reports that we have had a £57 million bid for Lukaku rejected by Everton.
Apparently they are holding out for £75 million! Should we even be entertaining this? |
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The market dictates the value and with a striker approaching his 30's is going for for 90m then a striker in his early 20s is going to for for this sort of price.
Costa is rumoured to be struggling with a "back injury", If the injury is genuine what with his injury record we need someone to come in to take over, If he is being difficult then we still need to bring someone in. Yes there are cheaper options out there but there are reasons why they are cheaper and going down the cheaper route is often a false economy We need someone to score past the Stokes/Palaces/Villas of the league and this is where he comes into to play. Yes the question is it that worth 75m, Well if its the difference between finishing 12 points behind the winners and 3 points then for our long term then I think it is worth a punt He will remain a value of around 40m no matter what (he could never play of us and I think we could sell him for that easy) Do I want to spend this sort of money on players like this? Of course not but that's just ignoring the market as it is today. |
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70 million greizman yes, lukaku no
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70 million greizman yes, lukaku no
It is highly unlikely he will leave (and less likely at that price) We might as well say Aguero |
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The market dictates the value and with a striker approaching his 30's is going for for 90m then a striker in his early 20s is going to for for this sort of price.
Costa is rumoured to be struggling with a "back injury", If the injury is genuine what with his injury record we need someone to come in to take over, If he is being difficult then we still need to bring someone in. Yes there are cheaper options out there but there are reasons why they are cheaper and going down the cheaper route is often a false economy We need someone to score past the Stokes/Palaces/Villas of the league and this is where he comes into to play. Yes the question is it that worth 75m, Well if its the difference between finishing 12 points behind the winners and 3 points then for our long term then I think it is worth a punt He will remain a value of around 40m no matter what (he could never play of us and I think we could sell him for that easy) Do I want to spend this sort of money on players like this? Of course not but that's just ignoring the market as it is today. But who's available if Costa really is injured ? Batshuayi might prove to be fantastic, but he's basically an unknown quantity right now. Traore ? Remy ? |
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As I said in the transfer thread, If we're forced to buy, I'd take Lukaku in front of Morata for the few million more they're quoting. But neither would be my ideal choice, especially for that kind of money.
But who's available if Costa really is injured ? Batshuayi might prove to be fantastic, but he's basically an unknown quantity right now. Traore ? Remy ? When looking at bringing in someone we need to tick of a number of things which make a deal as ideal as possible Age: Ideally someone where we can spreed the cost of the transfer over as long as possible:TICK Knows the league: We need someone who is use to playing in this league this is ideal in any transfer BUT with the Costa situation its even more important: Tick Resale value:No transfer is 100% going to work out so its ideal if we can get a player who retains value. I think even if he only got 2/3 games for us next season he would be worth a minimum for 30m at the very very worst and being as negative about him as Dixon is: Tick Can score goals in Premiership: Of course he would be playing at a different level but he has scored a shedload in this league : Tick A deal is achievable: It is no point trying to bring in a player who would not wanna come or try to work with a club with 0% interest in selling; half tick Offers something different to what we currently have; We have struggled in certain games (even when we won the title) does the player offer something that could change those loses into draws and those draws into wins. If you look at the times he has scored against then I think again we have a tick Yes its an awful lot of money but good deals when at dealing with clubs the stature of Chelsea that is common. Would I rather spend 50m on David Luiz or 120m on Pogba I rather spend 120m, Would I rather spend 90m odd on Higuian or 75m on Lakauku? I rather do the 75m. all crazy insane transfers and none of the players "worth" those fees but the reality of transfers operates this way |
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Chelsea 2 v Real Madrid 3
Antonio Conte would have learned a lot from this match, and don't forget it comes just two days after a very hard, high intensity game against Liverpool.
Player analysis (not ratified and unofficial at time of posting): Aina. Very solid again, a definite keep. Terry. Looks back to his best. Cahill. Some very good work. Brilliant for Hazard's goal. Chalobah. Very good, and fantastic through ball for Hazard's goal. Should be kept and not loaned out. Loftus Cheek. A new position and it just didn't work. Didn't look interested even when the ball came close. No closing down at all. Poor. Traore. No closing down for Marcelo's goal, some very good turns though that drew dangerous free kicks later on. Pedro. Poor, and he didn't look comfortable last season either. Too erratic. Oscar. Better, but he's no replacement for Fabregas. Too many side ways, low risk passes. Matic. Looking better, but not back to his form two seasons ago yet. Batshuayi. Looks strong and dangerous but lacks confidence when through on goal. That has to change. Delays shooting and doesn't look sure of himself. Moses. A definite keep. Strong, direct and hungry. I'd definitely pick him ahead of Pedro, especially in the PL. Hear hear lad! Cuadrado. Brilliant, and was more dangerous than Willian. Looking to get forward and get dangerous balls into the box all the time. Either beats his man or draws a free kick. Willian plays it safe too often, and we need players who can open a tight game up. Hazard. What can you say? As I have ALWAYS said, a £100 + million player. Very badly handled last season by him who shall not be named. T.C. |
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Surprise - Rahman is going out on loan. Considering how impressive he was in Germany I'm a bit surprised our new manager wouldn't want to try and work with him to improve before giving up on him - it's not as if we're currently blessed at FB right now.
We've been looking for CB's since the start of last summer and still haven't signed (a proper) one with 2 weeks to go until the start of another new season. |
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If Eden ever leaves Chelsea, I would imagine the fee would be north of 120,000,000
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If Eden ever leaves Chelsea, I would imagine the fee would be north of 120,000,000
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