Pretty sure Salah signed for Roma last year, the same time as Dzeko from Man City.
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Originally Posted by NinjyBear:
“Pretty sure Salah signed for Roma last year, the same time as Dzeko from Man City.”
“Pretty sure Salah signed for Roma last year, the same time as Dzeko from Man City.”
Chelsea Contract Players on the PL website
Abraham, Tammy
Aina, Temitayo Olufisayo Olaoluwa (Offer)
Ake, Nathan Benjamin
Ali, Mukhtar Abdullahi
Angban, Bekanty Victorien
Azpilicueta Tanco, Cesar
Baba, Abdul Rahman
Baker, Lewis Renard
Bamford, Patrick James
Beeney, Mitchell Ryan
Begovic, Asmir
Blackman, Jamal Clint-Ross
Boga, Jeremie
Borges da Silva, Willian
Brown, Isiah Jay
Cahill, Gary James
Chalobah, Nathaniel Nyakie
Christensen, Andreas Bodtker
Christie-Davies, Isaac David
Clarke-Salter, Jake-Liam
Colkett, Charlie
Collins, Bradley Ray
Conroy, Dion John
Courtois, Thibaut
Cuadrado Bello, Juan Guillermo
Cuevas Jara, Cristian Alejandro
Da Silva Costa, Diego
Dabo, Sheik Mohamed Fankaty
Dasilva, Jay Rhys
Davey, Alex James
De Souza, Nathan Allan
Delac, Matej
Djilobodji, El Hadji Papy Mison
Dos Santos Emboaba , Oscar
Fabregas Soler, Francesc
Feruz, Islam
Grant, Joshua
Hazard, Eden
Hector, Michael Anthony James
Houghton, Jordan
Ivanovic, Branislav
Kalas, Tomas
Kane, Todd Arthur Lucien
Kiwomya, Andrew Alexander (Offer)
Loftus Cheek, Ruben
Maddox, Jacob
Marin, Marko
Matic, Nemanja
Miazga, Matthew
Mikel, John Obi
Mitchell, Reece Steven (Offer)
Moses, Victor
Mount, Mason
Muheim, Miro Max Maria
Musonda, Charles
Nunes Nascimento, Robert Kenedy
Oliveira Dos Santos, Wallace
Omeruo, Kenneth
Palmer, Kasey Remel
Pantic, Danilo
Pasalic, Mario
Perica, Stipe
Piazon, Lucas Domingues
Quintero Quintero, Josimar Aldair
Remy, Loic
Rodriguez Gonzalez, Jhoao Leandro
Rodriguez Ledesma, Pedro Eliezer
Salah, Mohamed
Sammut, Ruben
Scott, Kyle
Solanke-Mitchell, Dominic Ayodele
Suljic, Ali
Swift, John David (Offer)
Terry, John George (Offer)
Thompson, Jared
Tomori, Fikayo
Traore, Bertrand
Twasam, Christian Atsu
Ugbo, Ike
Van Ginkel, Wulfert Cornelius
Wakefield, Charlie Mark
Zouma, Kurt Happy
Originally Posted by codeblue:
“Chelsea Contract Players on the PL website”
“Chelsea Contract Players on the PL website”
Somebody is wrong. My money is on the PL website. Don't forget there was also the deal where Fiorentina were threatening to sue everyone over him moving to Roma. Lots on confusion.....
http://www.transfermarkt.com/mohamed...spieler/148455
Also, Kurt Zouma's middle name is 'Happy'??
Originally Posted by NinjyBear:
“Somebody is wrong. My money is on the PL website. Don't forget there was also the deal where Fiorentina were threatening to sue everyone over him moving to Roma. Lots on confusion.....
http://www.transfermarkt.com/mohamed...spieler/148455
Also, Kurt Zouma's middle name is 'Happy'??”
“Somebody is wrong. My money is on the PL website. Don't forget there was also the deal where Fiorentina were threatening to sue everyone over him moving to Roma. Lots on confusion.....
http://www.transfermarkt.com/mohamed...spieler/148455
Also, Kurt Zouma's middle name is 'Happy'??
”
It is indeed.
Originally Posted by NinjyBear:
“Somebody is wrong. My money is on the PL website. Don't forget there was also the deal where Fiorentina were threatening to sue everyone over him moving to Roma. Lots on confusion.....
http://www.transfermarkt.com/mohamed...spieler/148455
”
“Somebody is wrong. My money is on the PL website. Don't forget there was also the deal where Fiorentina were threatening to sue everyone over him moving to Roma. Lots on confusion.....
http://www.transfermarkt.com/mohamed...spieler/148455
”
Looking at that link it suggests Roma signed him permanently on July 1st, not when the media reported it last year. Would explain why he was still listed as being one of ours when the PL published that list, as it was a bit earlier in the summer. If that is the case though, it's a bit strange the club haven't made any official comment on it, or the media haven't made any mention again about it. Confusing as you say.
Originally Posted by Tip top 2:
“A very good result, and it's good to see variety, a fit squad and fringe players being given a real chance. None of those very important factors were there this time last season.
Moses is being given a chance and is making the most of it. I also agree that Ola Aina is looking good at RB and cover there is vital. Branna is way, way past his best.
A comment on the changes. There are still some die hard mourhino fans around, and I say things as I see them. Takes Moses for example. He played very well last pre season and was not retained. Loftus Cheek was also publicly criticised by mourhino.
The club has to move forward, give players a real chance, treat them fairly and rest them when needed. Those are very important changes, and there can be no going back to the mourhino days where pecking orders were all that mattered. If you're good enough and playing well, you get a chance. It's as simple as that. If you're off form for whatever reason, you get dropped, irrespective of how good you have been in the past.
Anyone seen Dixon around? The lad used to post some decent comments..”
“A very good result, and it's good to see variety, a fit squad and fringe players being given a real chance. None of those very important factors were there this time last season.
Moses is being given a chance and is making the most of it. I also agree that Ola Aina is looking good at RB and cover there is vital. Branna is way, way past his best.
A comment on the changes. There are still some die hard mourhino fans around, and I say things as I see them. Takes Moses for example. He played very well last pre season and was not retained. Loftus Cheek was also publicly criticised by mourhino.
The club has to move forward, give players a real chance, treat them fairly and rest them when needed. Those are very important changes, and there can be no going back to the mourhino days where pecking orders were all that mattered. If you're good enough and playing well, you get a chance. It's as simple as that. If you're off form for whatever reason, you get dropped, irrespective of how good you have been in the past.
Anyone seen Dixon around? The lad used to post some decent comments..”
Can't you make a single post without making a dig at Mourinho ? It's becoming tiresome.
I happen to agree with you about Moses. He's 25 years old, give him a chance or sell him. I don't see the point of constantly loaning him out.
Loftus Cheek is a difficult one. He obviously has bags of talent and all the tools to become a top player. But figuring out the best way to fit him into our team is not so easy. It would be perfect for us if he could develope into the box-to-box player we've been missing since Lampard left. But he doesn't appear to have the energy and pace for that. Playing a 4-2-4 or 4-4-2 makes it even more difficult to find a place for RLC. He certainly doesn't look like a defensive midfielder and if you want creativity you're going to turn to Fabregas, This is probably why Conte is trying him out as a secondary striker.
Originally Posted by RichmondBlue:
“Can't you make a single post without making a dig at Mourinho ? It's becoming tiresome.
I happen to agree with you about Moses. He's 25 years old, give him a chance or sell him. I don't see the point of constantly loaning him out.
Loftus Cheek is a difficult one. He obviously has bags of talent and all the tools to become a top player. But figuring out the best way to fit him into our team is not so easy. It would be perfect for us if he could develope into the box-to-box player we've been missing since Lampard left. But he doesn't appear to have the energy and pace for that. Playing a 4-2-4 or 4-4-2 makes it even more difficult to find a place for RLC. He certainly doesn't look like a defensive midfielder and if you want creativity you're going to turn to Fabregas, This is probably why Conte is trying him out as a secondary striker.”
“Can't you make a single post without making a dig at Mourinho ? It's becoming tiresome.
I happen to agree with you about Moses. He's 25 years old, give him a chance or sell him. I don't see the point of constantly loaning him out.
Loftus Cheek is a difficult one. He obviously has bags of talent and all the tools to become a top player. But figuring out the best way to fit him into our team is not so easy. It would be perfect for us if he could develope into the box-to-box player we've been missing since Lampard left. But he doesn't appear to have the energy and pace for that. Playing a 4-2-4 or 4-4-2 makes it even more difficult to find a place for RLC. He certainly doesn't look like a defensive midfielder and if you want creativity you're going to turn to Fabregas, This is probably why Conte is trying him out as a secondary striker.”
You seriously wonder why RB ?
Chelsea fans will always have a special place for Jose but he's gone now and it's the past. We have all moved on.
Those who want to still go on about him are not Chelsea fans and especially the one you question. He is a Liverpool fan. They will always have a dislike for him and that's fair enough.
If you feed the trolls they keep coming back for more. I guess college is finished and there is time on their hands...
As for Moses, he's not good enough and never will be. If he's not good enough for Liverpool, Stoke or West Ham then he sure isnt what we need.
He may well not want to be sold and wants to see out his contract. Who can blame him !
Originally Posted by Jokanovic:
“He may well not want to be sold and wants to see out his contract. Who can blame him !”
“He may well not want to be sold and wants to see out his contract. Who can blame him !”
We gave him a new 4 year contract last summer. That may have been more to maintain his value than us having any real plans for him, but I don't think we would have done that if we wanted to sell him but he was refusing to go.
Originally Posted by carefree_blue:
“We gave him a new 4 year contract last summer. That may have been more to maintain his value than us having any real plans for him, but I don't think we would have done that if we wanted to sell him but he was refusing to go.”
“We gave him a new 4 year contract last summer. That may have been more to maintain his value than us having any real plans for him, but I don't think we would have done that if we wanted to sell him but he was refusing to go.”
Probably right. I just don't see him ever being a first team player.
Originally Posted by carefree_blue:
“We gave him a new 4 year contract last summer. That may have been more to maintain his value than us having any real plans for him, but I don't think we would have done that if we wanted to sell him but he was refusing to go.”
“We gave him a new 4 year contract last summer. That may have been more to maintain his value than us having any real plans for him, but I don't think we would have done that if we wanted to sell him but he was refusing to go.”
Yes, he's had a strange career really. Moses has been named "man of the match" for Stoke, West Ham and ourselves in the past, which suggests he has "something".
I remember thinking he looked OK in some of the games he played for us, which is more than I can say for Cuadrado. But I'm not saying we should necessarily keep him, just make a decision one way or other and let him find a level that suits him.
I find it hard to believe he can be happy with life as a Chelsea loanee season after season.
Originally Posted by RichmondBlue:
“Yes, he's had a strange career really. Moses has been named "man of the match" for Stoke, West Ham and ourselves in the past, which suggests he has "something".
I remember thinking he looked OK in some of the games he played for us, which is more than I can say for Cuadrado. But I'm not saying we should necessarily keep him, just make a decision one way or other and let him find a level that suits him.
I find it hard to believe he can be happy with life as a Chelsea loanee season after season.”
“Yes, he's had a strange career really. Moses has been named "man of the match" for Stoke, West Ham and ourselves in the past, which suggests he has "something".
I remember thinking he looked OK in some of the games he played for us, which is more than I can say for Cuadrado. But I'm not saying we should necessarily keep him, just make a decision one way or other and let him find a level that suits him.
I find it hard to believe he can be happy with life as a Chelsea loanee season after season.”
Yes, I agree. As you said before he's too old to keep loaning out. The club should know by now whether they want him or not.
Really do hope we get a new centre-back sorted out asap. Only just over a couple of weeks to the start of the season now, it's creeping up fast.
Reports that we have had a £57 million bid for Lukaku rejected by Everton.
Apparently they are holding out for £75 million!
Should we even be entertaining this?
Apparently they are holding out for £75 million!
Should we even be entertaining this?
Originally Posted by codeblue:
“Reports that we have had a £57 million bid for Lukaku rejected by Everton.
Apparently they are holding out for £75 million!
Should we even be entertaining this?”
“Reports that we have had a £57 million bid for Lukaku rejected by Everton.
Apparently they are holding out for £75 million!
Should we even be entertaining this?”
No, worth a punt for what we got for him, but too inconsistent, even £50 M is too much.
The market dictates the value and with a striker approaching his 30's is going for for 90m then a striker in his early 20s is going to for for this sort of price.
Costa is rumoured to be struggling with a "back injury", If the injury is genuine what with his injury record we need someone to come in to take over, If he is being difficult then we still need to bring someone in.
Yes there are cheaper options out there but there are reasons why they are cheaper and going down the cheaper route is often a false economy
We need someone to score past the Stokes/Palaces/Villas of the league and this is where he comes into to play. Yes the question is it that worth 75m, Well if its the difference between finishing 12 points behind the winners and 3 points then for our long term then I think it is worth a punt
He will remain a value of around 40m no matter what (he could never play of us and I think we could sell him for that easy)
Do I want to spend this sort of money on players like this? Of course not but that's just ignoring the market as it is today.
Costa is rumoured to be struggling with a "back injury", If the injury is genuine what with his injury record we need someone to come in to take over, If he is being difficult then we still need to bring someone in.
Yes there are cheaper options out there but there are reasons why they are cheaper and going down the cheaper route is often a false economy
We need someone to score past the Stokes/Palaces/Villas of the league and this is where he comes into to play. Yes the question is it that worth 75m, Well if its the difference between finishing 12 points behind the winners and 3 points then for our long term then I think it is worth a punt
He will remain a value of around 40m no matter what (he could never play of us and I think we could sell him for that easy)
Do I want to spend this sort of money on players like this? Of course not but that's just ignoring the market as it is today.
Originally Posted by codeblue:
“70 million greizman yes, lukaku no”
“70 million greizman yes, lukaku no”
Are we talking about reality or fantasy?
It is highly unlikely he will leave (and less likely at that price)
We might as well say Aguero
Originally Posted by The_don1:
“The market dictates the value and with a striker approaching his 30's is going for for 90m then a striker in his early 20s is going to for for this sort of price.
Costa is rumoured to be struggling with a "back injury", If the injury is genuine what with his injury record we need someone to come in to take over, If he is being difficult then we still need to bring someone in.
Yes there are cheaper options out there but there are reasons why they are cheaper and going down the cheaper route is often a false economy
We need someone to score past the Stokes/Palaces/Villas of the league and this is where he comes into to play. Yes the question is it that worth 75m, Well if its the difference between finishing 12 points behind the winners and 3 points then for our long term then I think it is worth a punt
He will remain a value of around 40m no matter what (he could never play of us and I think we could sell him for that easy)
Do I want to spend this sort of money on players like this? Of course not but that's just ignoring the market as it is today.”
“The market dictates the value and with a striker approaching his 30's is going for for 90m then a striker in his early 20s is going to for for this sort of price.
Costa is rumoured to be struggling with a "back injury", If the injury is genuine what with his injury record we need someone to come in to take over, If he is being difficult then we still need to bring someone in.
Yes there are cheaper options out there but there are reasons why they are cheaper and going down the cheaper route is often a false economy
We need someone to score past the Stokes/Palaces/Villas of the league and this is where he comes into to play. Yes the question is it that worth 75m, Well if its the difference between finishing 12 points behind the winners and 3 points then for our long term then I think it is worth a punt
He will remain a value of around 40m no matter what (he could never play of us and I think we could sell him for that easy)
Do I want to spend this sort of money on players like this? Of course not but that's just ignoring the market as it is today.”
As I said in the transfer thread, If we're forced to buy, I'd take Lukaku in front of Morata for the few million more they're quoting. But neither would be my ideal choice, especially for that kind of money.
But who's available if Costa really is injured ? Batshuayi might prove to be fantastic, but he's basically an unknown quantity right now. Traore ? Remy ?
Originally Posted by RichmondBlue:
“As I said in the transfer thread, If we're forced to buy, I'd take Lukaku in front of Morata for the few million more they're quoting. But neither would be my ideal choice, especially for that kind of money.
But who's available if Costa really is injured ? Batshuayi might prove to be fantastic, but he's basically an unknown quantity right now. Traore ? Remy ?”
“As I said in the transfer thread, If we're forced to buy, I'd take Lukaku in front of Morata for the few million more they're quoting. But neither would be my ideal choice, especially for that kind of money.
But who's available if Costa really is injured ? Batshuayi might prove to be fantastic, but he's basically an unknown quantity right now. Traore ? Remy ?”
That is the key question.
When looking at bringing in someone we need to tick of a number of things which make a deal as ideal as possible
Age: Ideally someone where we can spreed the cost of the transfer over as long as possible:TICK
Knows the league: We need someone who is use to playing in this league this is ideal in any transfer BUT with the Costa situation its even more important: Tick
Resale value:No transfer is 100% going to work out so its ideal if we can get a player who retains value. I think even if he only got 2/3 games for us next season he would be worth a minimum for 30m at the very very worst and being as negative about him as Dixon is: Tick
Can score goals in Premiership: Of course he would be playing at a different level but he has scored a shedload in this league : Tick
A deal is achievable: It is no point trying to bring in a player who would not wanna come or try to work with a club with 0% interest in selling; half tick
Offers something different to what we currently have; We have struggled in certain games (even when we won the title) does the player offer something that could change those loses into draws and those draws into wins. If you look at the times he has scored against then I think again we have a tick
Yes its an awful lot of money but good deals when at dealing with clubs the stature of Chelsea that is common.
Would I rather spend 50m on David Luiz or 120m on Pogba I rather spend 120m, Would I rather spend 90m odd on Higuian or 75m on Lakauku? I rather do the 75m. all crazy insane transfers and none of the players "worth" those fees but the reality of transfers operates this way
Antonio Conte would have learned a lot from this match, and don't forget it comes just two days after a very hard, high intensity game against Liverpool.
Player analysis (not ratified and unofficial at time of posting):
Aina. Very solid again, a definite keep.
Terry. Looks back to his best.
Cahill. Some very good work. Brilliant for Hazard's goal.
Chalobah. Very good, and fantastic through ball for Hazard's goal. Should be kept and not loaned out.
Loftus Cheek. A new position and it just didn't work. Didn't look interested even when the ball came close. No closing down at all. Poor.
Traore. No closing down for Marcelo's goal, some very good turns though that drew dangerous free kicks later on.
Pedro. Poor, and he didn't look comfortable last season either. Too erratic.
Oscar. Better, but he's no replacement for Fabregas. Too many side ways, low risk passes.
Matic. Looking better, but not back to his form two seasons ago yet.
Batshuayi. Looks strong and dangerous but lacks confidence when through on goal. That has to change. Delays shooting and doesn't look sure of himself.
Moses. A definite keep. Strong, direct and hungry. I'd definitely pick him ahead of Pedro, especially in the PL. Hear hear lad!
Cuadrado. Brilliant, and was more dangerous than Willian. Looking to get forward and get dangerous balls into the box all the time. Either beats his man or draws a free kick. Willian plays it safe too often, and we need players who can open a tight game up.
Hazard. What can you say? As I have ALWAYS said, a £100 + million player. Very badly handled last season by him who shall not be named.
T.C.
Player analysis (not ratified and unofficial at time of posting):
Aina. Very solid again, a definite keep.
Terry. Looks back to his best.
Cahill. Some very good work. Brilliant for Hazard's goal.
Chalobah. Very good, and fantastic through ball for Hazard's goal. Should be kept and not loaned out.
Loftus Cheek. A new position and it just didn't work. Didn't look interested even when the ball came close. No closing down at all. Poor.
Traore. No closing down for Marcelo's goal, some very good turns though that drew dangerous free kicks later on.
Pedro. Poor, and he didn't look comfortable last season either. Too erratic.
Oscar. Better, but he's no replacement for Fabregas. Too many side ways, low risk passes.
Matic. Looking better, but not back to his form two seasons ago yet.
Batshuayi. Looks strong and dangerous but lacks confidence when through on goal. That has to change. Delays shooting and doesn't look sure of himself.
Moses. A definite keep. Strong, direct and hungry. I'd definitely pick him ahead of Pedro, especially in the PL. Hear hear lad!
Cuadrado. Brilliant, and was more dangerous than Willian. Looking to get forward and get dangerous balls into the box all the time. Either beats his man or draws a free kick. Willian plays it safe too often, and we need players who can open a tight game up.
Hazard. What can you say? As I have ALWAYS said, a £100 + million player. Very badly handled last season by him who shall not be named.
T.C.
Surprise - Rahman is going out on loan. Considering how impressive he was in Germany I'm a bit surprised our new manager wouldn't want to try and work with him to improve before giving up on him - it's not as if we're currently blessed at FB right now.
We've been looking for CB's since the start of last summer and still haven't signed (a proper) one with 2 weeks to go until the start of another new season.
We've been looking for CB's since the start of last summer and still haven't signed (a proper) one with 2 weeks to go until the start of another new season.
Originally Posted by codeblue:
“If Eden ever leaves Chelsea, I would imagine the fee would be north of 120,000,000”
“If Eden ever leaves Chelsea, I would imagine the fee would be north of 120,000,000”
Imagination is a wonderful thing
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