Interesting article on Conte for anyone who has the time..
http://twentyminutereads.com/2016/08/09/the-hammer/
http://twentyminutereads.com/2016/08/09/the-hammer/
Chelsea Supporters Thread (Part 5)
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It's nice to see Moses and Cuadrado officially retained:
http://www.chelseafc.com/teams/first-team.html
A big cheer to the brave lads who stuck up for them, when a few others were saying they were rubbish. A management team who shows some faith in those two could get some crucial wins where an added dimension is needed in tight matches.
http://www.chelseafc.com/teams/first-team.html
A big cheer to the brave lads who stuck up for them, when a few others were saying they were rubbish. A management team who shows some faith in those two could get some crucial wins where an added dimension is needed in tight matches.
With Moses and Cuadrado in the squad now and hopefully staying, who will leave?
Kenedy will be good cover on the left, especially if Conte opts for a back three on occasion. I'd send Loftus Cheek out on loan at another PL club, where he can fight for a place and really get stuck in. It's done Ake a lot of good over at Watford.
Either Oscar or Pedro could also be sold on. Traore is cover in attack and I would have thought that Remy will be sold on as well.
Kenedy will be good cover on the left, especially if Conte opts for a back three on occasion. I'd send Loftus Cheek out on loan at another PL club, where he can fight for a place and really get stuck in. It's done Ake a lot of good over at Watford.
Either Oscar or Pedro could also be sold on. Traore is cover in attack and I would have thought that Remy will be sold on as well.
Originally Posted by Tip top 2:
“Either Oscar or Pedro could also be sold on. Traore is cover in attack and I would have thought that Remy will be sold on as well.”
“Either Oscar or Pedro could also be sold on. Traore is cover in attack and I would have thought that Remy will be sold on as well.”
Unless they want to leave, I can't see why you'd sell Oscar or Pedro, and keep Moses.
Wouldn't surprise me if Moses is loaned out again on transfer deadline day, maybe to Crystal Palace this time now as Bolasie has been sold.
Looks like Cuadrado will stay for the time being though. Can't say I'm thrilled at the prospect of seeing him being outmuscled by everyone else in the Premier League again.
Looks like Cuadrado will stay for the time being though. Can't say I'm thrilled at the prospect of seeing him being outmuscled by everyone else in the Premier League again.
Originally Posted by carefree_blue:
“Wouldn't surprise me if Moses is loaned out again on transfer deadline day, maybe to Crystal Palace this time now as Bolasie has been sold.
Looks like Cuadrado will stay for the time being though. Can't say I'm thrilled at the prospect of seeing him being outmuscled by everyone else in the Premier League again.”
“Wouldn't surprise me if Moses is loaned out again on transfer deadline day, maybe to Crystal Palace this time now as Bolasie has been sold.
Looks like Cuadrado will stay for the time being though. Can't say I'm thrilled at the prospect of seeing him being outmuscled by everyone else in the Premier League again.”
Neither are good enough unfortunately.
Originally Posted by Jokanovic:
“Neither are good enough unfortunately.”
“Neither are good enough unfortunately.”
They are squad players who are fine as part of a squad as long as you don't have to play them for any length of time. Pedro and Oscar are on a different level but even with them I'm not 100% sure they can be relied on week in week out.
Originally Posted by carefree_blue:
“Wouldn't surprise me if Moses is loaned out again on transfer deadline day, maybe to Crystal Palace this time now as Bolasie has been sold.
Looks like Cuadrado will stay for the time being though. Can't say I'm thrilled at the prospect of seeing him being outmuscled by everyone else in the Premier League again.”
“Wouldn't surprise me if Moses is loaned out again on transfer deadline day, maybe to Crystal Palace this time now as Bolasie has been sold.
Looks like Cuadrado will stay for the time being though. Can't say I'm thrilled at the prospect of seeing him being outmuscled by everyone else in the Premier League again.”
It amazes me some of the throw away comments that some apparent fans post. Do you watch the games? What does Willian do in tight matches wide on the right?
Decides he can't beat the man, and passes it backwards, sideways or crosses into the box to an opposition player. Most of the time.
Did you watch pre season? Did you watch Cuadrado at Juventus where he was a double medal winner? At least he tries to beat a man, create some pace, cross ACCURATELY into the box to someone on his side, and / or draw a foul.
To succeed you have to do something different and playing Willian every match with his run around like a headless chicken approach makes the team far too predictable and far too easy to defend against.
Moses when given a chance at least tries to run at defenders, beat them with his direct approach and cross accurately. He's a very good alternative if Hazard is injured or being marked tightly.
Can't understand the support for Pedro either. He should be ahead of other players because the club paid £21 million for him? That's pecking orders gone mad again. If he's playing consistently well, he should play, but he hasn't been. You pick on form not reputation.
Originally Posted by Tip top 2:
“It amazes me some of the throw away comments that some apparent fans post. Do you watch the games? What does Willian do in tight matches wide on the right?
Decides he can't beat the man, and passes it backwards, sideways or crosses into the box to an opposition player. Most of the time.
Did you watch pre season? Did you watch Cuadrado at Juventus where he was a double medal winner? At least he tries to beat a man, create some pace, cross ACCURATELY into the box to someone on his side, and / or draw a foul.
To succeed you have to do something different and playing Willian every match with his run around like a headless chicken approach makes the team far too predictable and far too easy to defend against.
Moses when given a chance at least tries to run at defenders, beat them with his direct approach and cross accurately. He's a very good alternative if Hazard is injured or being marked tightly.
Can't understand the support for Pedro either. He should be ahead of other players because the club paid £21 million for him? That's pecking orders gone mad again. If he's playing consistently well, he should play, but he hasn't been. You pick on form not reputation.”
“It amazes me some of the throw away comments that some apparent fans post. Do you watch the games? What does Willian do in tight matches wide on the right?
Decides he can't beat the man, and passes it backwards, sideways or crosses into the box to an opposition player. Most of the time.
Did you watch pre season? Did you watch Cuadrado at Juventus where he was a double medal winner? At least he tries to beat a man, create some pace, cross ACCURATELY into the box to someone on his side, and / or draw a foul.
To succeed you have to do something different and playing Willian every match with his run around like a headless chicken approach makes the team far too predictable and far too easy to defend against.
Moses when given a chance at least tries to run at defenders, beat them with his direct approach and cross accurately. He's a very good alternative if Hazard is injured or being marked tightly.
Can't understand the support for Pedro either. He should be ahead of other players because the club paid £21 million for him? That's pecking orders gone mad again. If he's playing consistently well, he should play, but he hasn't been. You pick on form not reputation.”
You must be having a wind-up, so I'm not falling for it this time. Why not try another club for a while ?
^ Agreed Richmond, best just to ignore the troll.
Bit disappointing that Traore has been loaned to Ajax. I understand his desire to play regularly at the moment, but if we had to loan him out a Premier League club would have been much better, or at least a club from one of the other top leagues.
Bit disappointing that Traore has been loaned to Ajax. I understand his desire to play regularly at the moment, but if we had to loan him out a Premier League club would have been much better, or at least a club from one of the other top leagues.
Originally Posted by carefree_blue:
“^ Agreed Richmond, best just to ignore the troll.
Bit disappointing that Traore has been loaned to Ajax. I understand his desire to play regularly at the moment, but if we had to loan him out a Premier League club would have been much better, or at least a club from one of the other top leagues.”
“^ Agreed Richmond, best just to ignore the troll.
Bit disappointing that Traore has been loaned to Ajax. I understand his desire to play regularly at the moment, but if we had to loan him out a Premier League club would have been much better, or at least a club from one of the other top leagues.”
Think Ajax suited him because he has worked with the manager before and not sure how much time he would get at a Premier League club from nearer the top half of the table. Ajax will play a good amount of games this season (I assume they in Europe of some degree).
At the moment I think he needs to play as much as possible
Originally Posted by The_don1:
“Think Ajax suited him because he has worked with the manager before and not sure how much time he would get at a Premier League club from nearer the top half of the table. Ajax will play a good amount of games this season (I assume they in Europe of some degree).
At the moment I think he needs to play as much as possible”
“Think Ajax suited him because he has worked with the manager before and not sure how much time he would get at a Premier League club from nearer the top half of the table. Ajax will play a good amount of games this season (I assume they in Europe of some degree).
At the moment I think he needs to play as much as possible”
Wasn't thinking of one of the top half on the table clubs, the likes of Bournemouth etc would have been ideal. Ajax have a CL play-off coming up so will be in the Europa at the very least. I don't think playing in a comparatively weak league like the Eredivisie is particularly beneficial to his development though.
Originally Posted by carefree_blue:
“Wasn't thinking of one of the top half on the table clubs, the likes of Bournemouth etc would have been ideal. Ajax have a CL play-off coming up so will be in the Europa at the very least. I don't think playing in a comparatively weak league like the Eredivisie is particularly beneficial to his development though.”
“Wasn't thinking of one of the top half on the table clubs, the likes of Bournemouth etc would have been ideal. Ajax have a CL play-off coming up so will be in the Europa at the very least. I don't think playing in a comparatively weak league like the Eredivisie is particularly beneficial to his development though.”
If we was going to keep him here I think it needs to be for a higher up team, Don't see him learning much at a club like Bournmouth after last season. Think he now needs to learn what it is to play for a club with expectations of finishing in the top end of the table and playing midweek games etc. I think at the moment is ability is ready for a team in the top half of a table but also needs to play as many games as possible.
Europa League would be a perfect schooling for him. You play lots of different types of teams, Do quite a bit of travelling, Will need to be ready to play games with not a lot of rest in between, Train at a certain level, Dropped if you don't perform, All things he needs to learn if he wants to play at Chelsea.
Bournemouth might improve his abilities but I think would hinder his education and I think that is what alot of young players today lack, They have the talent but lack the intelligence and have not been taught how to use their abilities in the correct way or what is expected of them and how to met those expectations, A club like Ajax is all about education
Yes, I was hoping Traore would stay on, but he understandably wants more football. He did well last season, arguably finishing as our number 2 striker. But with the arrival of Batshuayi and Chelsea still pursuing another striker, he would have been pushed back to third or fourth choice, same as the beginning of last season.
It seems to have been a mutually agreeable solution, I think that's important when you're trying to keep an exciting young prospect happy with the club. I think he will continue to develope, Ajax may be long past their glory days, but they still have a fine record of bringing young players through.
It seems to have been a mutually agreeable solution, I think that's important when you're trying to keep an exciting young prospect happy with the club. I think he will continue to develope, Ajax may be long past their glory days, but they still have a fine record of bringing young players through.
Originally Posted by RichmondBlue:
“Yes, I was hoping Traore would stay on, but he understandably wants more football. He did well last season, arguably finishing as our number 2 striker. But with the arrival of Batshuayi and Chelsea still pursuing another striker, he would have been pushed back to third or fourth choice, same as the beginning of last season.
It seems to have been a mutually agreeable solution, I think that's important when you're trying to keep an exciting young prospect happy with the club. I think he will continue to develope, Ajax may be long past their glory days, but they still have a fine record of bringing young players through.”
“Yes, I was hoping Traore would stay on, but he understandably wants more football. He did well last season, arguably finishing as our number 2 striker. But with the arrival of Batshuayi and Chelsea still pursuing another striker, he would have been pushed back to third or fourth choice, same as the beginning of last season.
It seems to have been a mutually agreeable solution, I think that's important when you're trying to keep an exciting young prospect happy with the club. I think he will continue to develope, Ajax may be long past their glory days, but they still have a fine record of bringing young players through.”
I can accept us loaning him out as long as Remy isn't now going to be relied upon to be meaningful back-up. As we saw last season, almost everytime Costa missed games Remy was injured too. What we don't want are situations where Batshuayi is our only available striker. So I would say another striker is needed now, regardless of whether Remy stays or goes.
Traore being loaned out is a surprise, but it makes sense. His all round game isn't there yet, and the two years in Holland playing CL football will be invaluable. Loftus Cheek should follow him on loan but to a PL side, and that will either make him or break him. There'll be no golden boy status there, and he'll have to muck in with everyone else or fail.
Hazard is looking like another striker now, so I'm not so sure another striker is vital, although it's probably needed to be on the safe side. Maybe Lukaku will be on the way after all. There's no point Everton keeping a player who wants away. It badly affected Stones's form last season.
The CB position is more pressing and I can't understand the club or the board there. They're moaning about over inflated prices. Torres for all the stick he got, paid back his fee with the CL win along with shirt sales. If Koulibaly is going to cost £45 million, pay it and get it over with. Better to pay over the odds and win trophies, then be miserly and win nothing. I still think that Lindelof is the better option having said that.
Hazard is looking like another striker now, so I'm not so sure another striker is vital, although it's probably needed to be on the safe side. Maybe Lukaku will be on the way after all. There's no point Everton keeping a player who wants away. It badly affected Stones's form last season.
The CB position is more pressing and I can't understand the club or the board there. They're moaning about over inflated prices. Torres for all the stick he got, paid back his fee with the CL win along with shirt sales. If Koulibaly is going to cost £45 million, pay it and get it over with. Better to pay over the odds and win trophies, then be miserly and win nothing. I still think that Lindelof is the better option having said that.
Kenedy to Watford looks a done deal. He will play most matches and, unlike with Traore, it will be against quality opposition.
Still pissed about it. Of the 7 AM's we have right now he'd be second on the list of ones I'd want to keep.
Still pissed about it. Of the 7 AM's we have right now he'd be second on the list of ones I'd want to keep.
Originally Posted by NinjyBear:
“Kenedy to Watford looks a done deal. He will play most matches and, unlike with Traore, it will be against quality opposition.
Still pissed about it. Of the 7 AM's we have right now he'd be second on the list of ones I'd want to keep.”
“Kenedy to Watford looks a done deal. He will play most matches and, unlike with Traore, it will be against quality opposition.
Still pissed about it. Of the 7 AM's we have right now he'd be second on the list of ones I'd want to keep.”
we cannot play them all
Originally Posted by carefree_blue:
“^ Agreed Richmond, best just to ignore the troll.
Bit disappointing that Traore has been loaned to Ajax. I understand his desire to play regularly at the moment, but if we had to loan him out a Premier League club would have been much better, or at least a club from one of the other top leagues.”
“^ Agreed Richmond, best just to ignore the troll.
Bit disappointing that Traore has been loaned to Ajax. I understand his desire to play regularly at the moment, but if we had to loan him out a Premier League club would have been much better, or at least a club from one of the other top leagues.”
Wise words to ignore the troll. If we all ignore him perhaps he will go away.
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