We all saw that Falcao was a busted flush at united. Without a doubt, he was and IS a shadow of his former self. It was obvious to everyone in the game.

Then after a massive disaster at united, he signs for chelsea on a year loan. Everyone in the football world was surprised by this, and every chelsea fan horrified.

I do not doubt that jose influenced the loan signing of Falcao because of their shared agents. It looked and felt like a massive "favour" to him. I felt it at the time, and still do.

A bad signing yes, but no need to bring IS into the debate...

It was soooo bad, that either Jose was raving bonkers or there was a little more to it.

I am sure you "felt" that but its utterly insane to think that a company would spend money based on this inane reason.

Its just not how things work in reality.

Care to offer some logical reason as why Jose (or more importantly THE CLUB) would spend money in this way? Other then of course what you "felt". Its nice to have some actual evidence when accusing someone of this sort of thing other then a "feeling"

What about your comment "Nice work for the pair of them"?

Care to explain that?

Or the club made a bad signing.

And looking at the number of bad signing Chelsea have made throughout the last 10 years its more then possible that is the reason other then some childish "dark evil forces" reason

N'Golo Kante has explained how he resisted the overtures of Manchester United manager Jose Mourinho to join Chelsea this summer.

The midfielder moved to Stamford Bridge from Leicester City in a £32million deal, but only after snubbing the opportunity to be the rock at the heart of Mourinho's United side.

Kante said: 'It was amazing to have Mourinho call me, even though I'd been warned before how he would appeal to me.

'I listened to his arguments about why I should move to United. But at that time I was hesitant between staying at Leicester or leaving for Chelsea.

'My discussions with them were already well underway. But when I spoke, I had a good feeling with [Antonio] Conte.'


Like the little guy even more now

Either Jose is incompetant, or it was a dodgy deal.

You believe 1, I believe the other.

However I find it naive that you don't think corruption doesn't take place in football deals . It's not "dark evil forces" to quote your hyperbole used to try and support your argument., but just everyday. Like at Fifa, or the Olympics. It's not evil, but greasing the wheels.

Or the club made a bad call and considering the club make the transfer decisions and the number of bad decisions that the club have made that is more then possible and is the most sensible and logical reason

I don't "believe" one thing or the other. I look at actual facts and evidence and not make wild accusations based on "feelings" or "believes" and then come to a conclusion that matches the facts and evidence and not match the story to some narrative

Of course corruption happens but there is ACTUAL EVIDENCE of that. I am awaiting for you to provide some. You have zero other then your "feelings" and we are not in a Star Wars move where the force tells you something.

I guess no one is allowed opinion on here anymore. Just belittling.

Of course you can

But offer something to back up you opinion other then "feelings".

If you had something to back up these views that would be great and we could discuss that but I have yet to see you do that.

If anything it was a lazy deal and that is been in keeping with our recent history when it comes to transfer dealings.

Since when did Jose have the final say on transfers ?

Never like every other manager that has been at Chelsea lately.

I'd probably agree, Mourinho was an influence in taking a gamble on Falcao. But that's all it was, a comparatively low risk gamble. I don't think Chelsea fans were "horrified", it was only a loan deal for a second/third choice striker. Falcao was still a huge name around the world, so I expect we made a lot of our money back in shirt sales etc.
I don't remember Jose having anything to do with Pato ?

Yep no more then a influence (as any manager has at Chelsea, The recent Luiz deal is a perfect example of that)

He was replacing Drogba (who from memory had near enough similar stats in terms of goals and games as Falcao did at Utd the season before).

It was a easy deal to pull off etc.

It ticked boxes

It was a doable deal.

The player was willing to accept the role of 3rd choice

The player was experienced.

The player had the right name value

He was not going to cause any issues making demands

He was going to follow orders

The player was not coming from abroad and no worries about settling into England

etc etc etc

Yes, there was also the fact that the Costa/Falcao partnership at AM had been sensational. It was a gamble, but not entirely without merit. The upside outweighed the downside. Prior to that we had brought in Eto'o and that had worked..well, sort of.

It was a terrible signing, and any manager can insist on having a say in transfers. It can be a condition of taking the job. Conte insisted on five signings during pre season. He demanded it and he got it. There was no 'we don't need any signings because the squad we have is OK'. He made it clear in private and in public that the squad was not OK. I cannot understand any Chelsea fan still trying to defend mourhino. He tried to wreck the club near the end of his stay.

I'll never forget Luiz shouting at him during the PSG match, 'We'll beat you with ten men', after Ibrahimovic had been sent off. They did just that with a spectacular header from Luiz himself. Genuine fans support passionate players who give their all for the club, not fake managers who throw their toys out of the pram when they can't control every aspect of the job. Mourhino is at the club he always wanted to be at now, and the stuff about Chelsea should be taken with a large dose of doubt, along with every other comment he makes.

True fans should be getting behind the current manager who is plain speaking and genuine. A manager who keeps his ego in check and puts the club before his own interests.

We can get behind Conte without slagging off the manager who brought us three PL titles.
The same manager who in his first stint at the club built us into the best team I've ever seen at Chelsea..with Roman's help of course.

Plenty of your fellow Chelsea fans on this forum will disagree with the above, partly because of who posted it, but as an outsider - as they say - i agree completely with your second and third paragraphs

Mourinho has an enormous ego, I wouldn't argue with that. But to blame him for last summer's dreadful transfer window ( as a couple of posters seem to be doing) is frankly ridiculous. In fact, it was probably the failure during the summer to bring in the players Jose wanted that was the catalyst for the problems that followed.
He was certainly angry right from the start of the season, and maybe he did throw his toys out of the pram. But some would say that was justified after the way things turned out.
Did he always want the United job ? I don't know, in Engilsh football maybe he did. But I would imagine getting the Real Madrid job is the pinnacle for any manager and he'd done that.

And all true fans do RB. Jose was great but has now gone. It's fans of other clubs who keep going on about him.
Remember Jose upset Liverpool fans hence why the poster has his stance. Funny how at Chelsea it's the managers fault yet at Liverpool he blames their bad signings on the transfer committee.
Oh well.....

Different managers have different styles and accept things more then another.

Conte has accepted that we was unable to sign most of his "first choice" picks and that is fine and should be complemented BUT at the same time he should be asking why it seems we are unable to complete deals for the "first choice" picks (and this is not a new issue). Is Jose the type of manager who is less then willing to accept anything less then 1st choice? Yes 100% and I don't think that is a bad thing (but has cost him more then once and will continue to do so), When you are working at this level everyone from the players to the manager to the people running the club to the people who work at the training ground to the people who work at the Bridge needs to be working to deliver at the highest possible standard. I am not sure you can say that about some people currently working at the club

Yes, the signings of Papy Djilobodji and Michael Hector on the last day might have been the final straw for Jose. It was almost taking the piss, signing two Championship level players who couldn't even command a place on the bench.
To give him some credit, Emenalo does appear able to recognise young talent. But our transfer negotiations for established players isn't what it used to be.

I think that is the key issue.

I don't think we have a scouting issue, With all the resources available today its pretty hard to get that wrong BUT its when it comes to doing the deals we fall (and have done for a while) short, Look at our recent good deals and they all have been very simple and straight forward (due the player having a set fee in their contract etc). Yes of course players are expensive nowadays but that's always been the case for Chelsea (even pre-Roman). Its a concern going forward as other clubs get more and more experienced in bringing in high end value players our edge in bringing in players will get smaller and smaller.

Aside from United getting Pogba, which teams have signed their first choice?

Well, I don't know precisely how it works. But in the case of Mourinho, I think he gave in a list as early as April/May with a list of targets. I'm guessing it would contain alternatives and he he would continue to liaise when it became clearer who might be available.
Guessing again, I would think the manager has some kind of ceiling on the amount we can spend overall and would have to tailor his selections accordingly. But we appear to have been all over the place with our targets. We may have got lucky this year with the signings of Kante and Batshuayi, but it was touch and go after that.

But I'm old school. I preferred it when managers got on the blower and sorted something out with their counterpart, usually involving a brown envelope at a service station. Now it's all down to the bean counters and agents.