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Old 17-09-2016, 14:06
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Pundits have a bee in their bonnet about Luiz so will say he cannot play with JT/Cahill/Zouma or anyone else. They have stuck a label on him and he could be in the leagues team of the season and not make a mistake for the rest of his time at Chelsea and they will still haul him over the coals for something.
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Old 17-09-2016, 14:21
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Pundits have a bee in their bonnet about Luiz so will say he cannot play with JT/Cahill/Zouma or anyone else. They have stuck a label on him and he could be in the leagues team of the season and not make a mistake for the rest of his time at Chelsea and they will still haul him over the coals for something.
Yes, those were my thoughts as well. They seemed almost disappointed that Luiz hardly put a foot wrong all night. They were so desperate to show that their earlier comments were justified and that he'd prove to be a liability.
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Old 17-09-2016, 16:03
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Yes, those were my thoughts as well. They seemed almost disappointed that Luiz hardly put a foot wrong all night. They were so desperate to show that their earlier comments were justified and that he'd prove to be a liability.
Not heard/seen much of what they have said but I can guess.

They have their labels (this is not something they do to Luiz but many players/managers/clubs) and they will continue with that narrative.
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Old 18-09-2016, 14:45
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I see our Liverpool supporting friend is complaining about Chelsea selling Sturidge which is a bit bizarre in itself but what he forgets is his hero Rafa sold him. Keep those clown shoes on son
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Old 18-09-2016, 14:47
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Leicester coming up on Tuesday, would be good to see a few given a chance. If he thinks 3 at the back is a future option then maybe give that a go.
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Old 18-09-2016, 15:03
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I not sure he actually thinks 3 at the back is a future option just more of a possibility if really necessary. We might see 2 up front on Tuesday as that is more of a likely option we will use in games (although don't think we will start many that way).

It depends on how he treats cups. Jose always treated them very seriously Conte might take them in a less serious way
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Old 18-09-2016, 15:07
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I see our Liverpool supporting friend is complaining about Chelsea selling Sturidge which is a bit bizarre in itself but what he forgets is his hero Rafa sold him. Keep those clown shoes on son
I would not have Sturidge now for all the money in the world, A perfect example of having utterly the wrong mindset needed today.

Has the talent but lacks the ability to even get close to where he should be, I have often questioned the mentality of our players but compared to him they are world class
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Old 18-09-2016, 15:10
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I not sure he actually thinks 3 at the back is a future option just more of a possibility if really necessary. We might see 2 up front on Tuesday as that is more of a likely option we will use in games (although don't think we will start many that way).

It depends on how he treats cups. Jose always treated them very seriously Conte might take them in a less serious way
Think we need to stay in the cups as long as possible to give game time to players.
I hope he takes it seriously. I would expec Leicester to be very different though.
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Old 18-09-2016, 15:12
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I would not have Sturidge now for all the money in the world, A perfect example of having utterly the wrong mindset needed today.

Has the talent but lacks the ability to even get close to where he should be, I have often questioned the mentality of our players but compared to him they are world class
Yep. In a great Liverpool performance he looked out of place in that team. He wouldn't help us now one bit.
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Old 18-09-2016, 15:27
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Think we need to stay in the cups as long as possible to give game time to players.
I hope he takes it seriously. I would expec Leicester to be very different though.
I hope he does as well.

Either staying or going out could be helpful at the moment, Staying in gives them games and hopefully time to play their way into form and going out gives him more time to spend with the players on the training pitch and getting his ideas across to them.
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Old 18-09-2016, 16:23
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With no European football there's no reason not to take the domestic cups seriously. We won't win the title so they represent our only realistic chances of silverware.

I hope that we don't see the same old starting line-up though. I'd go with something like this:

Begovic
Azpi - Cahill - Luiz - Alonso
Kante - Mikel
Moses - Fabregas - Hazard
Batshuayi
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Old 18-09-2016, 19:41
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With no European football there's no reason not to take the domestic cups seriously. We won't win the title so they represent our only realistic chances of silverware.

I hope that we don't see the same old starting line-up though. I'd go with something like this:

Begovic
Azpi - Cahill - Luiz - Alonso
Kante - Mikel
Moses - Fabregas - Hazard
Batshuayi
I would think about trying 3-5-2 but agree, want to see changes.
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Old 18-09-2016, 20:16
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With no European football there's no reason not to take the domestic cups seriously. We won't win the title so they represent our only realistic chances of silverware.

I hope that we don't see the same old starting line-up though. I'd go with something like this:

Begovic
Azpi - Cahill - Luiz - Alonso
Kante - Mikel
Moses - Fabregas - Hazard
Batshuayi
I agree with the back four, though Cahill is lucky to get a reprieve.
But I think I'd go for a 4-4-2...

Courtois
Azpil-Cahill-Luiz-Alonso
Willian-Kante-Fabregas-Hazard
Batshuayi-Costa

I'd be worried about Kante and Fabregas in CM but Matic was poor against Liverpool (despite setting up our goal) and I don't really want to see Mikel as a starter.
We don't want to experiment in the PL, so I'll go with the flow and see if a more attacking line-up works in the cup.
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Old 18-09-2016, 22:12
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Think I'd be a bit more inclined to experiment with formations if it was a home tie. Or against a weaker side.

Saying that, I would like to see Costa and Batshuayi play together from the start sometime though, so wouldn't be against it if Conte decides to try that on Tuesday.
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Old 19-09-2016, 10:31
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I can't understand why some people are starting to criticise T Bone. He's world class.

Conte does not seem to be the type of manager to make bold, necessary changes to the starting 11, and he needs to. Hopefully he will.

Starting 11:

T Bone

Azpi Cahill / Zouma when he's fit Luiz Alonso

Kante Matic Fabregas

Hazard

Batshuayi Costa

A 1 - 4 - 3 - 1 - 2 formation. That'll surprise them!
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Old 19-09-2016, 10:55
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I can't understand why some people are starting to criticise T Bone. He's world class.
no one is
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Old 19-09-2016, 11:06
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Except his pal Dixon in the other thread. The rest of us aren't doing it though.

That said, I would give Begovic a run-out on Tuesday although I'm expecting Courtois to play again seeing as he played in the previous round.
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Old 19-09-2016, 12:19
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Is Courtois as good as Cech in his prime? It's hard to tell as the game as changed since those days and we had an amazing players in front of him but what is in little (or no) doubt is he is a very good goalkeeper,

We was right to make Courtois number 1 and that meant we had no choice in shipping out Cech (I don't think we should 1)be childish about selling players to rivals and 2) We should treat players who have performed such a high standard with respect) to who ever he wanted. If we are grading the mistakes we have made recently with players both coming in and going out etc Making Courtois number 1 is pretty low down on the list
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Old 19-09-2016, 12:33
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Is Courtois as good as Cech in his prime? It's hard to tell as the game as changed since those days and we had an amazing players in front of him but what is in little (or no) doubt is he is a very good goalkeeper,

We was right to make Courtois number 1 and that meant we had no choice in shipping out Cech (I don't think we should 1)be childish about selling players to rivals and 2) We should treat players who have performed such a high standard with respect) to who ever he wanted. If we are grading the mistakes we have made recently with players both coming in and going out etc Making Courtois number 1 is pretty low down on the list
I dont think courtois is in his prime yet. He is a very very good young keeper.

Cech, before he was assaulted, was the best keeper in the world - fantastic.

Arsenal had a bargain, i wish we had still both.

Cech was captain material, we lost a dressing room leader when he left.
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Old 19-09-2016, 13:42
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I dont think courtois is in his prime yet. He is a very very good young keeper.

Cech, before he was assaulted, was the best keeper in the world - fantastic.

Arsenal had a bargain, i wish we had still both.

Cech was captain material, we lost a dressing room leader when he left.
10m for a player in his 30s who had maybe a year or so left on his contract who was more then likely someone who got games in early cup games etc a bargain? It was excellent business on our part and he has not really had the effect on Arsenal I thought he might have plus they gave him a four year contract (also we got a high earner off the books)

He was captain material and a dressing room leader as a member of the first team but we don't know what the effect it would have had on him sitting on the bench week in week out.

While he might not yet be in his prime he was not going to come in as number two, We either made him number one,gave him another season on loan (not sure what would be the point of that) or sold him. The logical choice was make him number one
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Old 19-09-2016, 15:44
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Some very good behind the scenes footage at the club for anyone who's interested: https://www.chelseafc.com/news/lates...ea-unseen.html

The content is free, and upgraded accounts are available for just £5.99 / mo' or £59.99 which is excellent value.
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Old 19-09-2016, 15:49
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A very interesting quote from Pat Nevin on the changes needed. I always think his analysis and comments are very good and balanced on the whole:

'There will be thoughts on why Antonio Conte didn’t make the substitutions earlier, especially as we did look transformed when Cesc came on for the final 10 minutes including injury time.'

Source: http://www.chelseafc.com/news/latest...ing-light.html

There was a lad on this thread who said that Cesc is a luxury player, and I couldn't disagree more. He's a vital part of the team, if the team is going to create regular chances. If anything we need another player in his mould, a creative player who is not afraid to move the ball forward for when Fabregas is injured, tired or off form.
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Old 19-09-2016, 22:03
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Except his pal Dixon in the other thread. The rest of us aren't doing it though.

That said, I would give Begovic a run-out on Tuesday although I'm expecting Courtois to play again seeing as he played in the previous round.
I would give him a run out as well.
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Old 19-09-2016, 22:19
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Except his pal Dixon in the other thread. The rest of us aren't doing it though.
Hmm. Have to say, I haven't been that impressed with him since he came back. Seems like every time he has a significant impact on a game it's a negative one.
Of course, having a piss-poor defence in front of him doesn't help. Still think there are times where he should do much better.
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Old 19-09-2016, 23:56
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Hmm. Have to say, I haven't been that impressed with him since he came back. Seems like every time he has a significant impact on a game it's a negative one.
Of course, having a piss-poor defence in front of him doesn't help. Still think there are times where he should do much better.
Fair points, I agree that he should be doing better at times. On the whole though I think the goalkeeping position is probably the least of our worries. Sorting out that joke of a defence would make a big difference.
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