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Old 15-09-2014, 11:51
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I think I'm one of the very few people (aside from Chelsea fans) who likes John Terry As a person he appears to be an arse, but he is one of those players who always gives 100% and looks like he is prepared to die on the pitch for the team. At least that's how he played in his prime and he was one of the very few players who played great for club AND country. He even played well under Capello when everyone else had given up. I will always have a soft spot for him. Rio on the other had I always found to be extremely overrated.
For me, there is just no contest. A peak terry was fantastic - and he still gives 100% every game, and is willing to put his body on the line to win.

Of course, many top footballers could be considered an "arse" in the media. Lots of te op players like rio, terry, beckham etc have baggage, but the press do give some an easier ride.
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Old 15-09-2014, 14:51
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Its a tough one.

They are two very different type of players.

A new keeper takes time to bed in and more so when we are playing a new system as well and plus with our new found abilty to actually score goals for "fun" it means we sometimes switch off because we think we will outscore anyone I think we will know more when we get nearer to xmas.

What I do know is because Jose is such a boring coach and only knows how to play "park the bus football" and will be to blame for the downfall of the game is that sooner or later he will get the defense sorted.

We are still going though a very slow process of getting the balance right
Yes, I can't see that Courtois has done a lot wrong. We are in the enviable (but awkward) situation of having two world class keepers and having to try to keep them both happy.

We have looked vulnerable In defence, but as you say I think this stems from playing a different system. I don't think playing Fabregas in the pivot with Matic is ever going to work long term. Yes, we've out scored our opponents so far, but games like the Everton one are just freakish exceptions. But Jose knows this, conceding 5 goals in two games is not the Mourinho way.
The buses will be back soon and parked in place. Then we can continue with our plan to ruin football as we know it. I actually welcome a couple of 1-0, 2-0 victories, with lots of time wasting and Jose intimidating the refs.
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Old 15-09-2014, 15:26
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Stick Ramires in for Oscar or Schurrle for the next few matches. See if that tightens us up at the back.

As well as Costa's record, Fabregas became the first ever player to record an assist in 6 consecutive Premier League matches
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Old 15-09-2014, 16:48
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Yes, I can't see that Courtois has done a lot wrong. We are in the enviable (but awkward) situation of having two world class keepers and having to try to keep them both happy.

We have looked vulnerable In defence, but as you say I think this stems from playing a different system. I don't think playing Fabregas in the pivot with Matic is ever going to work long term. Yes, we've out scored our opponents so far, but games like the Everton one are just freakish exceptions. But Jose knows this, conceding 5 goals in two games is not the Mourinho way.
The buses will be back soon and parked in place. Then we can continue with our plan to ruin football as we know it. I actually welcome a couple of 1-0, 2-0 victories, with lots of time wasting and Jose intimidating the refs.
You might see that on Sunday.

Or when we play Utd
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Old 15-09-2014, 17:08
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You might see that on Sunday.

Or when we play Utd
We should go for it against that United midfield and defence.

The midfield looked good against QPR, but i cant wait to see them tested against stoke, or for someone to test the fragility of Falcao.
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Old 15-09-2014, 17:51
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We should go for it against that United midfield and defence.

The midfield looked good against QPR, but i cant wait to see them tested against stoke, or for someone to test the fragility of Falcao.
If had acces to a time machine and when we played them we went back to last weekend then I would agree BUT since we are playing them at the end of October how they looked at the weekend has nothing to do with anything.

RVG along with Jose is one of the top managers around and if you really think how they looked yesterday with very little training and prepration is how they will play in a months time then thats your call.

It comes at the end of a very tough and busy run of games for us.

Falcao is far from fragile and more so when managed correctly. He is as good as Costa on his day
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Old 15-09-2014, 18:16
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Falcao is far from fragile and more so when managed correctly. He is as good as Costa on his day
Costa looks made to the PL.

He is looking like the best striker we have had in 10 years - and controversially i include Drogba in that.
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Old 15-09-2014, 18:25
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Costa looks made to the PL.

He is looking like the best striker we have had in 10 years - and controversially i include Drogba in that.
And?

All I am saying is Falco is a top top class striker hence the rumours we was looking at him awhile ago. Costa is a great striker but so is Falco and someone we need to work at stopping from scoring if he plays against us
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Old 15-09-2014, 18:35
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Worth quoting.

The more i see of Costa, the more i'm convinced we've gone and wasted another shedload on a carthorse.
He isn't remotely near a world class striker!
Why has it taken until now to ask that question?

Snails move faster.
Oil tankers turn quicker.
He couldn't trap a medicine ball if his life depended on it.

He's the most overrated, overhyped, massively overpriced player i have ever seen!
Imho, Willian is an extremely ordinary Europa League level player, but at least i can see what he does.

It will be an insult to Costa for the club to pull out of the deal now, but it's their money and they should not go and piss yet another shedload up the wall on yet another useless striker!
However long it takes, they should bide their time until they can find a quality striker who will improve the team.
Anyone but this donkey!
A season worth of scouting, my arse!
We are only interested because of the number of goals he scored in the Spanish league,
Sheva was signed because of his past.
Torres was singed because of his past, though he was stll young enough to have returned to his peak, unlike Sheva.
Apart from Drogba, we have a history of making bigtime mistakes with strikers.
Costa will be another one, if we are mad enough to still go ahead and sign him.
He was a lot fitter than Suarez, but Suarez was still wrold class, while Costa looked like a division 2 player.
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Old 15-09-2014, 19:40
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Ouch.

There was always a question over Costa, nowhere near the "donkey" that Dixon stated, but he has had the best start possible.

He seems to score first or to equalise, and not just ice the cake.
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Old 15-09-2014, 20:07
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Yes, Dixon has never been one to hold back.

I think a lot of Chelsea fans had a few doubts about Costa, particularly after the World Cup. I had a feeling he would score goals given half a chance, but I didn't realise how good his general link-up play would be. There's a lot more to his game that the "big hard man who likes to put it about a bit" that he was labelled by many.
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Old 15-09-2014, 20:34
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So are we expecting Cech to be our Champions League goalkeeper this season? Personally I'd give him that, as well as the other cups.
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Old 15-09-2014, 22:17
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We should go for it against that United midfield and defence.

The midfield looked good against QPR, but i cant wait to see them tested against stoke, or for someone to test the fragility of Falcao.
We've actually conceded 3 goals. The very same number you conceded in one game against Everton.
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Old 15-09-2014, 22:49
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Never worth quoting. Not when most of the views comes from the daily comics and talk-shite
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Old 15-09-2014, 22:54
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So are we expecting Cech to be our Champions League goalkeeper this season? Personally I'd give him that, as well as the other cups.
But do you chop and change a back 5 at a time when we need to add some defensive stability?

If we was continuing our defensive record from last season I would agree but it's something we need to work on improving at the moment and that will only come with time and games.
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Old 16-09-2014, 01:53
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Hazard about to sign a new 5 year deal worth £200K a week. Great to see him committed to the club after the talk in the summer of PSG and others sniffing around.
If he can find a little more consistency, he'll be right up there among the best in the world. He already does things that I haven't seen since the days when players like Zola and Robben were performing their magic.
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Old 16-09-2014, 07:46
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Hazard about to sign a new 5 year deal worth £200K a week. Great to see him committed to the club after the talk in the summer of PSG and others sniffing around.
If he can find a little more consistency, he'll be right up there among the best in the world. He already does things that I haven't seen since the days when players like Zola and Robben were performing their magic.
It is a huge amount of money, basically £50m over 5 years. But it would "guarantee" his services, or increase his transfer fee to something approaching that of 70 or 80 million.

Some of the dribbles he made on saturday were fantastic. We all want more product at the end, but he did make the goal for Remy after a brilliant run.

The addiction of a striker who is a goalscorer and a real handful for centre backs will help our smaller front players like Hazard, who has suffered because teams put two or sometimes three players on him.

I cannot wait to see Hazard, Cesc and Costa play against that dodgy QPR defence on the 1st November.
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Old 16-09-2014, 11:00
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I see you mention Cech above, will you sell him or loan him out in January? As surely he is still far too good a goalkeeper to not play regular football for a whole season?
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Old 16-09-2014, 13:00
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I see you mention Cech above, will you sell him or loan him out in January? As surely he is still far too good a goalkeeper to not play regular football for a whole season?
Loaning him out would be illogical and pointless.

He more then likely would be cup tied by then so I doubt many clubs would buy him in January.

As far as I am aware he has not asked for a transfer and if that continues I don't see a reason for him not staying.
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Old 16-09-2014, 13:10
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Yes, Dixon has never been one to hold back.

I think a lot of Chelsea fans had a few doubts about Costa, particularly after the World Cup. I had a feeling he would score goals given half a chance, but I didn't realise how good his general link-up play would be. There's a lot more to his game that the "big hard man who likes to put it about a bit" that he was labelled by many.
Dixon will only appear again as a "Chelsea fan" if things go wrong.
Busy posting on his own teams thread at the moment
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Old 16-09-2014, 13:11
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We've actually conceded 3 goals. The very same number you conceded in one game against Everton.
And you kept out Burnley Ninn, top stuff
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Old 16-09-2014, 13:35
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Loaning him out would be illogical and pointless.

He more then likely would be cup tied by then so I doubt many clubs would buy him in January.

As far as I am aware he has not asked for a transfer and if that continues I don't see a reason for him not staying.
How would he be cup tied if he doesn't play?

Unless you are planning to play him sometime soon?
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Old 16-09-2014, 13:39
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We should go for it against that United midfield and defence.

The midfield looked good against QPR, but i cant wait to see them tested against stoke, or for someone to test the fragility of Falcao.
Equally, I hope we test what has appeared to be a rocky back line that you have got, I would love to see Falcao, Di Maria, Adnan, Mata, and Rooney pulling them all over the place, and running in behind them!

We actually have looked far more solid defensively than a lot of teams this season so far, previously or perversely it was our attack which was the problem for us, and seeing as that is now no longer the case, other teams should be far more worried about us, then we might have been about them previously.
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Old 16-09-2014, 13:47
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Equally, I hope we test what has appeared to be a rocky back line that you have got, I would love to see Falcao, Di Maria, Adnan, Mata, and Rooney pulling them all over the place, and running in behind them!

We actually have looked far more solid defensively than a lot of teams this season so far, previously or perversely it was our attack which was the problem for us, and seeing as that is now no longer the case, other teams should be far more worried about us, then we might have been about them previously.
You are confident for a fan whose team has only beaten QPR so far this season.

As i have said in the forum, i think this season will be won by a team that has the best defense. I am more confident in Courtois, Cahill, Terry, Brana and Azpi with ram and matic infront of them than the United defense i watched at the weekend.

Still, you should be confident in your team. 250 million spent must improve the team.
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Old 16-09-2014, 13:47
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How would he be cup tied if he doesn't play?
err, he is going to play in the cups.
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