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Old 24-09-2014, 19:56
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It is somewhere. Don't know about over here.


Looking good until the end product so far.
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Old 24-09-2014, 20:11
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1-0 Zouma
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Old 24-09-2014, 20:37
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18 shots to their 1.

1-1 at h/t
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Old 24-09-2014, 20:47
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Bolton have been dire, but yet they scored with their only attempt.

Wasteful from us so far, apart from Zouma's goal obviously.
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Old 24-09-2014, 21:16
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Frank scores for city again
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Old 24-09-2014, 21:37
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Frank scores for city again
Twice!
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Old 24-09-2014, 21:39
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Nice goal from Oscar, but a very unimpressive showing overall.

Away to Shrewsbury next round.
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Old 24-09-2014, 23:05
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I didn't see the game, but 28 shots with only 2 goals is a poor return. Without Costa we just seem unable to finish teams off. I was looking on the Bolton fan's forum earlier today, they were all expecting an embarrassing scoreline after the way they've been playing. Instead it looks like we made it hard work.
Anybody see the game ? Were there any encouraging individual performances ?
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Old 25-09-2014, 01:22
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I didn't see the game, but 28 shots with only 2 goals is a poor return. Without Costa we just seem unable to finish teams off. I was looking on the Bolton fan's forum earlier today, they were all expecting an embarrassing scoreline after the way they've been playing. Instead it looks like we made it hard work.
Anybody see the game ? Were there any encouraging individual performances ?
It was poor tbh. Luis and Ake played well. Our attacking players done some good running but fluffed the end product. Too many players who don't look good unless the team is playing well.
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Old 25-09-2014, 06:51
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It was a team that have never played the game before together.

You cannot expect them to play well.
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Old 25-09-2014, 08:56
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I don't know why the Bolton fans would have been worried. I think it would have been pretty obvious that we would have made big changes for the game.

The main plus point for me even with the changes we kept the normal style and ideals of our play so that if any of the fringe players need to come into the first team they will be comfortable with their role.

We had a number of players who have had a very small amount if any football of decent level any time recently so I would expect it to take time to get to the level needed.

Couple of youngsters got some game time at the Bridge and I think that should be the objective of the league cup at this point for us
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Old 25-09-2014, 09:56
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I didn't see the game, but 28 shots with only 2 goals is a poor return.
Roughly half of those shots were from Schurrle too. To be fair a couple were decent attempts that were tipped onto the bar/post by the Bolton keeper.
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Old 25-09-2014, 12:52
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It was a team that have never played the game before together.

You cannot expect them to play well.
Of course we can - they were playing Bolton FFS.
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Old 25-09-2014, 13:33
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Of course we can - they were playing Bolton FFS.
The team you are playing doesn't always have say in how well you play. You still need to form a understanding with your team mates and how they play. Training helps but even those players would have rarely trained together as a team
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Old 25-09-2014, 14:14
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Yes, I'm aware of that, but these are top level players - they should be more than enough to comfortably see off a Championship team. It's not as if it we were struggling to create chances, it was the terrible finishing (mostly from Schurrle) that was letting us down.
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Old 25-09-2014, 14:32
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I don't know why the Bolton fans would have been worried. I think it would have been pretty obvious that we would have made big changes for the game.
I think they were so despondent about the way their team had been playing that they thought any team we put out would give them a good hiding.

It was the team I hoped we would put out last night. I thought maybe Ivanovich in place of Cahill, just to see how that alternative pairing with Zouma might work out. Ake alongside Mikel gave Jose a chance to see what he has in reserve if Matic is injured or suspended. Ramires is currently out with an injury.
The attacking midfield picked itself in terms of giving players a game and giving Hazard, Fabregas and Willian a rest. Glad to see Mourinho finally give Remy a start up front in place of Drogba.
Must admit, I was expecting a more decisive result even with all the changes. Mainly because Bolton have been so poor, if they don't improve they are real relegation contenders. We still had a team out that would be comfortably valued at £150m+ in the current market.
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Old 25-09-2014, 14:36
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Yes, I'm aware of that, but these are top level players - they should be more than enough to comfortably see off a Championship team. It's not as if it we were struggling to create chances, it was the terrible finishing (mostly from Schurrle) that was letting us down.
But we know players like Schurrle/Oscar etc are more then able to finish.

It was just lacking that extra 2/3% that comes with working on the training pitch and playing games with each other.

If it was the first team playing I would have been more worried (but even then not overly).

Plus we have seen what happens when lower league teams come to the big boys, They up their game, Same as Chelsea has when we played teams like Barca etc. The importance of the game comes into play and who you are playing,

This was not really a important game for us or the players. Yes we want our players to be up for every game but in the real world thats not going to happen, Where as for Bolton and their players this was a big game. I dont blame the players for just going though the motions in games like this sometimes.

In the context of everything it was a "yea ok lets get it over and done with and go home" game.
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Old 25-09-2014, 14:54
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I think they were so despondent about the way their team had been playing that they thought any team we put out would give them a good hiding.

It was the team I hoped we would put out last night. I thought maybe Ivanovich in place of Cahill, just to see how that alternative pairing with Zouma might work out. Ake alongside Mikel gave Jose a chance to see what he has in reserve if Matic is injured or suspended. Ramires is currently out with an injury.
The attacking midfield picked itself in terms of giving players a game and giving Hazard, Fabregas and Willian a rest. Glad to see Mourinho finally give Remy a start up front in place of Drogba.
Must admit, I was expecting a more decisive result even with all the changes. Mainly because Bolton have been so poor, if they don't improve they are real relegation contenders. We still had a team out that would be comfortably valued at £150m+ in the current market.

I think we all been followers of football to know form goes out the window quite often when it comes to cup football. A poor league team often turn their season around in a cup game.

I would have given Brana a rest myself, Some big games looming (Arsenal,Utd etc) and looking at the pairings can be done in training if needed.

I think maybe as fans we got sucked into the way we have been playing and expected to much. Bolton's performance was not really the problem, They did not contribute anything really to the game either from a posative or negative POV. It was more our shortcomings and those shortcomings I dont think would present themselfs to such a extent if we was playing a more comeptive game with our first team
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Old 25-09-2014, 15:06
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But we know players like Schurrle/Oscar etc are more then able to finish.

It was just lacking that extra 2/3% that comes with working on the training pitch and playing games with each other.

If it was the first team playing I would have been more worried (but even then not overly).

Plus we have seen what happens when lower league teams come to the big boys, They up their game, Same as Chelsea has when we played teams like Barca etc. The importance of the game comes into play and who you are playing,

This was not really a important game for us or the players. Yes we want our players to be up for every game but in the real world thats not going to happen, Where as for Bolton and their players this was a big game. I dont blame the players for just going though the motions in games like this sometimes.

In the context of everything it was a "yea ok lets get it over and done with and go home" game.
I think these games are important in terms of giving our fringe players a chance. It's the only opportunity to see players like Zouma, Ake, Baker, Christensen or even Salah in a competitive environment.
Plus, there are only four trophies up for grabs every season. The Capital One Cup is the least important, but it's still a trip to Wembley and a bit of an event on the day. You can never win too many trophies in my opinion.
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Old 25-09-2014, 15:16
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I think these games are important in terms of giving our fringe players a chance. It's the only opportunity to see players like Zouma, Ake, Baker, Christensen or even Salah in a competitive environment.
Plus, there are only four trophies up for grabs every season. The Capital One Cup is the least important, but it's still a trip to Wembley and a bit of an event on the day. You can never win too many trophies in my opinion.
I agree about never wining enough tropies but we are fans and we want our club to win anything and everything, We would celebrate winning "club with the best looking pitch side Doctor" if there was such a thing (plus we would walk it every single year) but you got to put yourself into the "senior" players minds. Schurle prob still can smell the fireworks from winning the World Cup he is not going to be as up for Wednesday night against Bolton, Present him with same number and type of chances in a Champions League final or a game which wins you the title and you will see a different result.
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Old 25-09-2014, 18:22
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Last night was important because it gives our second string + off-form players a chance to stake a claim for the first team. Schurrle was his usual inconsistent self, and Oscar is fast approaching 1 year of being average (at best.) Both of them should be at a level where they take control of the game the way Fabregas, Costa, and Hazard do, but they didn't/don't.

Not being motivated is unacceptable to me. Both of them need a kick up the arse.
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Old 25-09-2014, 19:07
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Do you really think a cup game will get someone into the first team? That's pretty much locked baring injuries and suspensions. They will get a chance to do that on the training field.

I would not say they was unmotivated as such but your mindset is affected by your opposition, that's why we see giant killings. Games like yesterday are not challenges as such like some games are. Yes it be nice to see the motivation in all games but that's not always possible, they are humans not machines.
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Old 25-09-2014, 19:35
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Do you really think a cup game will get someone into the first team?
Alone, no. But a good performance and a desire to do better will certainly impress the boss, and we still appear to be deciding on a RW. Schurrle, Cscar, and Willian are all still fighting for it, but none of them have shown they can perform regularly.

I assume we all remember the things Jose was saying about Oscar this time last year? Seemed OTT at the time, but now it's absolutely laughable. 'Tired' and 'focused on the WC' were both used last year to excuse him......at what point do we accept that he might not live up to his early promise?
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Old 25-09-2014, 19:52
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Alone, no. But a good performance and a desire to do better will certainly impress the boss, and we still appear to be deciding on a RW. Schurrle, Cscar, and Willian are all still fighting for it, but none of them have shown they can perform regularly.

I assume we all remember the things Jose was saying about Oscar this time last year? Seemed OTT at the time, but now it's absolutely laughable. 'Tired' and 'focused on the WC' were both used last year to excuse him......at what point do we accept that he might not live up to his early promise?
I still think he will, while I agree he is not at the level he should be but I would say the same about Hazzard at the moment.

While Hazzard is ahead I don't think it be long before they both reach their potential that's of course we don't do a Chelsea and start sacking managers and ripping up plans.

With players like these two we need to be thinking three years down the line
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Old 25-09-2014, 19:57
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I assume we all remember the things Jose was saying about Oscar this time last year? Seemed OTT at the time, but now it's absolutely laughable. 'Tired' and 'focused on the WC' were both used last year to excuse him......at what point do we accept that he might not live up to his early promise?
Yep, I'm fast approaching the point where I really wouldn't be too bothered if we moved him on as long as we at least recouped the transfer fee paid for him.

It's a problem for us, Oscar's been poor for ages, Schurrle's too inconsistent as you say. Willian puts in a good shift but lacks any end product, and I'm not convinced Salah will be anything other than a fringe player.
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