Zouma is getting better and better with each game.
He is really looking like he has been playing at this level for years
He is really looking like he has been playing at this level for years
Chelsea Supporters Thread (Part 5)
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It was a good result without Costa and Fabregas. I still don't think we will ever be in a position to rotate that much, and I don't much care for the idea anyway. No team is going to have like for like players in every position, you can hope that some players are not irreplaceable, but frequently they just are.
If we can get together a hard core of 16/17 players that Jose can trust to come in and out of the team, that should take us through to the summer. An injury to Matic would be my biggest worry.
It does look as if the Caudrado deal is almost completed. I have mixed feelings really, certainly an improvement on Salah who never impressed me. But we chased Schurrle for a long time, so presumably thought he had a future with us. Still, Caudrado will be a totally "Mourinho signing"..that always seems to make a difference with any manager.
If we can get together a hard core of 16/17 players that Jose can trust to come in and out of the team, that should take us through to the summer. An injury to Matic would be my biggest worry.
It does look as if the Caudrado deal is almost completed. I have mixed feelings really, certainly an improvement on Salah who never impressed me. But we chased Schurrle for a long time, so presumably thought he had a future with us. Still, Caudrado will be a totally "Mourinho signing"..that always seems to make a difference with any manager.
Originally Posted by RichmondBlue:
“It was a good result without Costa and Fabregas. I still don't think we will ever be in a position to rotate that much, and I don't much care for the idea anyway. No team is going to have like for like players in every position, you can hope that some players are not irreplaceable, but frequently they just are.
If we can get together a hard core of 16/17 players that Jose can trust to come in and out of the team, that should take us through to the summer. An injury to Matic would be my biggest worry.
It does look as if the Caudrado deal is almost completed. I have mixed feelings really, certainly an improvement on Salah who never impressed me. But we chased Schurrle for a long time, so presumably thought he had a future with us. Still, Caudrado will be a totally "Mourinho signing"..that always seems to make a difference with any manager.”
“It was a good result without Costa and Fabregas. I still don't think we will ever be in a position to rotate that much, and I don't much care for the idea anyway. No team is going to have like for like players in every position, you can hope that some players are not irreplaceable, but frequently they just are.
If we can get together a hard core of 16/17 players that Jose can trust to come in and out of the team, that should take us through to the summer. An injury to Matic would be my biggest worry.
It does look as if the Caudrado deal is almost completed. I have mixed feelings really, certainly an improvement on Salah who never impressed me. But we chased Schurrle for a long time, so presumably thought he had a future with us. Still, Caudrado will be a totally "Mourinho signing"..that always seems to make a difference with any manager.”
As Remy said on the Chelsea website, there were a lot of tired legs after the Liverpool game. Competing in 2 / 3 big competitions, rotation is an absolute must.
I said a few weeks ago, give Zouma a run in the side, and look at his performances, bring Ramires in and he had a great game against city, use Remy when Costa either can't play, is off form or tired, and he pops up with a great goal, etc, etc. Ake is a great utility player, Christensen's looking good and there are a lot more coming through.
It's the Mikel's you should worry about. Players who are no longer first choice and lack motivation.
The future's a bigger squad with more chances for squad players. To win a treble, as Man Utd showed, it's the only way.
Always play your best players? / your best 11? A tired Fabregas or a sharp Ramires? A sharp Ramires every time. A tired, half injured Costa or a fresh Remy? A fresh, alert Remy every time.
Players only get tired when losing or if you get told you are.
When you are winning you find reserves of energy more so coming into the part of the season we getting into now (finals and critical knock out games against top teams)
When you are winning you find reserves of energy more so coming into the part of the season we getting into now (finals and critical knock out games against top teams)
Striker Loic Remy off, defender Gary Cahill on.
It could become the substitution that symbolises this title race. And with a record 26 broadcasters beaming it into the homes of 650m people, it allowed the world to see why Manchester City MUST retain the Premier League trophy in the interests of football.
A victory for Chelsea would be a victory for defence, for dullness and for conservatism - all the things the Premier League likes to think it is not.
And a triumph for Chelsea would be a triumph for whining petulance and phoney outrage, of a manager who promotes his ego above the interests of the game against one who play the game the right way and behaves with integrity.
The sight of Jose Mourinho storming into the referee’s room after the game, like a victim of a great injustice, was pitiful.
More here.....
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....egrini-8558644
It could become the substitution that symbolises this title race. And with a record 26 broadcasters beaming it into the homes of 650m people, it allowed the world to see why Manchester City MUST retain the Premier League trophy in the interests of football.
A victory for Chelsea would be a victory for defence, for dullness and for conservatism - all the things the Premier League likes to think it is not.
And a triumph for Chelsea would be a triumph for whining petulance and phoney outrage, of a manager who promotes his ego above the interests of the game against one who play the game the right way and behaves with integrity.
The sight of Jose Mourinho storming into the referee’s room after the game, like a victim of a great injustice, was pitiful.
More here.....
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....egrini-8558644
Originally Posted by jon craig:
“Striker Loic Remy off, defender Gary Cahill on.
It could become the substitution that symbolises this title race. And with a record 26 broadcasters beaming it into the homes of 650m people, it allowed the world to see why Manchester City MUST retain the Premier League trophy in the interests of football.
A victory for Chelsea would be a victory for defence, for dullness and for conservatism - all the things the Premier League likes to think it is not.
And a triumph for Chelsea would be a triumph for whining petulance and phoney outrage, of a manager who promotes his ego above the interests of the game against one who play the game the right way and behaves with integrity.
The sight of Jose Mourinho storming into the referee’s room after the game, like a victim of a great injustice, was pitiful.
More here.....
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....egrini-8558644”
“Striker Loic Remy off, defender Gary Cahill on.
It could become the substitution that symbolises this title race. And with a record 26 broadcasters beaming it into the homes of 650m people, it allowed the world to see why Manchester City MUST retain the Premier League trophy in the interests of football.
A victory for Chelsea would be a victory for defence, for dullness and for conservatism - all the things the Premier League likes to think it is not.
And a triumph for Chelsea would be a triumph for whining petulance and phoney outrage, of a manager who promotes his ego above the interests of the game against one who play the game the right way and behaves with integrity.
The sight of Jose Mourinho storming into the referee’s room after the game, like a victim of a great injustice, was pitiful.
More here.....
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....egrini-8558644”
Half-term started early?
Or has a village lost its idiot?
Originally Posted by The_don1:
“Half-term started early?
Or has a village lost its idiot?”
“Half-term started early?
Or has a village lost its idiot?”
Personally I make him bang-on. Jose first time around was a real breath of fresh air - brash, confident, and confrontational, yet he managed to be so with a twinkle in his eye. He was charismatic, and often charming.
The Jose of the last couple of months is exactly the one described in that editorial - not that I'd ever expect a Chelsea fan to agree. As a non-Chelsea supporter, I had genuine affection for him first time round as a coach, tactician, and king of the press conference. He has though become nothing more than a bad tempered, whining little s**t, throwing his toys out of the pram at every opportunity.
Originally Posted by jon craig:
“A victory for Chelsea would be a victory for defence, for dullness and for conservatism - all the things the Premier League likes to think it is not.”
“A victory for Chelsea would be a victory for defence, for dullness and for conservatism - all the things the Premier League likes to think it is not.”
Chelsea? Oh is that the team that have out-scored Man City and every other team in the Premier League this season? Boring indeed!
Originally Posted by jon craig:
“Personally I make him bang-on. Jose first time around was a real breath of fresh air - brash, confident, and confrontational, yet he managed to be so with a twinkle in his eye. He was charismatic, and often charming.
The Jose of the last couple of months is exactly the one described in that editorial - not that I'd ever expect a Chelsea fan to agree. As a non-Chelsea supporter, I had genuine affection for him first time round as a coach, tactician, and king of the press conference. He has though become nothing more than a bad tempered, whining little s**t, throwing his toys out of the pram at every opportunity.”
“Personally I make him bang-on. Jose first time around was a real breath of fresh air - brash, confident, and confrontational, yet he managed to be so with a twinkle in his eye. He was charismatic, and often charming.
The Jose of the last couple of months is exactly the one described in that editorial - not that I'd ever expect a Chelsea fan to agree. As a non-Chelsea supporter, I had genuine affection for him first time round as a coach, tactician, and king of the press conference. He has though become nothing more than a bad tempered, whining little s**t, throwing his toys out of the pram at every opportunity.”
Who said I was talking about the "journalist"?
This is not a entertainment show like The Shite factor etc, you don't get points for being entertaining etc. It's a sport where the point is to ensure your team come first at the end of the league. The type of football you use to get to that objective is irrelevant.
I really worry about modern day football fans (not the journalists because you can tell they are lazy or incompetent or both) if after all this year's they have not seen past the "Jose" sideshow. It's a act and one a 5 year old could write the script for. Yet people still take it seriously, I would wish I could say I am surprised but sadly I am not
When shown on TV the programme should start 2 minutes before the kick off and end two minutes after the final whistle
It would save so much rubbish being written and talked about
Just had a look at the piece of children's fiction and it was worse then I thought.
Thank the Lord he will never write for the grown ups, now where is my nieces Roger Red Hat book so I can read something well written and more factual
Thank the Lord he will never write for the grown ups, now where is my nieces Roger Red Hat book so I can read something well written and more factual
Originally Posted by The_don1:
“Who said I was talking about the "journalist"?
This is not a entertainment show like The Shite factor etc, you don't get points for being entertaining etc. It's a sport where the point is to ensure your team come first at the end of the league. The type of football you use to get to that objective is irrelevant.
I really worry about modern day football fans (not the journalists because you can tell they are lazy or incompetent or both) if after all this year's they have not seen past the "Jose" sideshow. It's a act and one a 5 year old could write the script for. Yet people still take it seriously, I would wish I could say I am surprised but sadly I am not
When shown on TV the programme should start 2 minutes before the kick off and end two minutes after the final whistle
It would save so much rubbish being written and talked about”
“Who said I was talking about the "journalist"?
This is not a entertainment show like The Shite factor etc, you don't get points for being entertaining etc. It's a sport where the point is to ensure your team come first at the end of the league. The type of football you use to get to that objective is irrelevant.
I really worry about modern day football fans (not the journalists because you can tell they are lazy or incompetent or both) if after all this year's they have not seen past the "Jose" sideshow. It's a act and one a 5 year old could write the script for. Yet people still take it seriously, I would wish I could say I am surprised but sadly I am not
When shown on TV the programme should start 2 minutes before the kick off and end two minutes after the final whistle
It would save so much rubbish being written and talked about”
I think the journalists use of the term 'phoney outrage' makes it perfectly clear he's aware it's all a big act. Maybe rather than just dismiss the piece as a work of 'children's fiction' you could say why it is flawed? It actually seems you agree with much of what the journalist has said. He says Chelsea were negative and conservative - you say that's fine if it gets results. He says Jose is a whining egomaniac - you say 'it's just his act'. And clearly a very childish act is it's one a 5 year old could write the script for.
Originally Posted by jon craig:
“I think the journalists use of the term 'phoney outrage' makes it perfectly clear he's aware it's all a big act. Maybe rather than just dismiss the piece as a work of 'children's fiction' you could say why it is flawed? It actually seems you agree with much of what the journalist has said. He says Chelsea were negative and conservative - you say that's fine if it gets results. He says Jose is a whining egomaniac - you say 'it's just his act'. And clearly a very childish act is it's one a 5 year old could write the script for.”
“I think the journalists use of the term 'phoney outrage' makes it perfectly clear he's aware it's all a big act. Maybe rather than just dismiss the piece as a work of 'children's fiction' you could say why it is flawed? It actually seems you agree with much of what the journalist has said. He says Chelsea were negative and conservative - you say that's fine if it gets results. He says Jose is a whining egomaniac - you say 'it's just his act'. And clearly a very childish act is it's one a 5 year old could write the script for.”
Why was Hazzard misused? Was he used to sell programmes? Was he selling beer at halftime? No he was used in the correct way.
Lots of emotive words used "champions display" etc
It's turning football into some entertainment brand where one tactic is better then the other for no other reason then it's "entertaining"(which it is not).
Jose tactics was spot on the money. They was the right tactics where Man City's was not due to Jose getting what he wanted.
Instead of writing about any manager and what they do or don't do or say or don't say just write a factual essay about the game, leave the "warrior" "left his blood on the pitch" and all the other such nonsense we get from reporters nowadays to people in the pub
What is a moral victory?
It's flawed right from the off because it's written for the Manchester Evening News by their 'chief Blues writer', i.e. someone who quite clearly is a Man City sympathiser. You're hardly going to get an unbiased opinion from the likes of him, are you? Clearly he's bitter that City weren't able to make any ground up on us.
The notion that Man City winning the title would be a victory for football is laughable. They're hardly the plucky little underdog, are they?
The notion that Man City winning the title would be a victory for football is laughable. They're hardly the plucky little underdog, are they?
Originally Posted by The_don1:
“What is a moral victory?”
“What is a moral victory?”
I'm sure it'll be of great comfort to Man City if they finish the season empty-handed, which they probably will.
Originally Posted by carefree_blue:
“I'm sure it'll be of great comfort to Man City if they finish the season empty-handed.”
“I'm sure it'll be of great comfort to Man City if they finish the season empty-handed.”
It's just utter nonsense.
The team that deserves to win the league wins the league
The best team to win the league wins the league.
The team our league deserves is the team that wins it
A display of "champions" is the display is shown in the game when they become champions.
If anything Cities display was one of a team that could only play one way and had a lack of tactical ability to counter a certain tactic (and one they came up against last season when playing Chelsea so should have been able to do so since they are the team that has to win the title)
Originally Posted by jon craig:
“Personally I make him bang-on. Jose first time around was a real breath of fresh air - brash, confident, and confrontational, yet he managed to be so with a twinkle in his eye. He was charismatic, and often charming.
The Jose of the last couple of months is exactly the one described in that editorial - not that I'd ever expect a Chelsea fan to agree. As a non-Chelsea supporter, I had genuine affection for him first time round as a coach, tactician, and king of the press conference. He has though become nothing more than a bad tempered, whining little s**t, throwing his toys out of the pram at every opportunity.”
“Personally I make him bang-on. Jose first time around was a real breath of fresh air - brash, confident, and confrontational, yet he managed to be so with a twinkle in his eye. He was charismatic, and often charming.
The Jose of the last couple of months is exactly the one described in that editorial - not that I'd ever expect a Chelsea fan to agree. As a non-Chelsea supporter, I had genuine affection for him first time round as a coach, tactician, and king of the press conference. He has though become nothing more than a bad tempered, whining little s**t, throwing his toys out of the pram at every opportunity.”
Chelsea fan here who happens to agree with you.
All too often against half decent opposition, Jose sends his teams out to grind out a result. It's cold, clinical, souless and lacking in the passion and romance of the beautiful game the game that it is.
ALL the really great clubs and teams go out and express themselves and try to take it to the opposition. Sadly, that is not the case with teams managed by Jose!
Yes, we are doing well but it's a very poor quality premiership. We are increasingly looking like a team of flat track bullies.
Here we go again
I expected this soon after some of our poor results
Quite surprised to see it after a decent result
I expected this soon after some of our poor results
Quite surprised to see it after a decent result
Dixon - if you still can't muster any enjoyment from the team being 5 points clear at the top of the league and through to another cup final then it really is time to hang up your Chelsea scarf for good, and leave those of us that do support the club to it. Assuming you were ever actually a CFC fan to begin with, of course.
Originally Posted by carefree_blue:
“Dixon - if you still can't muster any enjoyment from the team being 5 points clear at the top of the league and through to another cup final then it really is time to hang up your Chelsea scarf for good, and leave those of us that do support the club to it. Assuming you were ever actually a CFC fan to begin with, of course.”
“Dixon - if you still can't muster any enjoyment from the team being 5 points clear at the top of the league and through to another cup final then it really is time to hang up your Chelsea scarf for good, and leave those of us that do support the club to it. Assuming you were ever actually a CFC fan to begin with, of course.”
It's not even that, thinking you team should have more points then they have etc is normal.
It's just this insane idea there is "negative" and "positive" tactics, or there is a wrong or right way to play.
Originally Posted by carefree_blue:
“Dixon - if you still can't muster any enjoyment from your team being 5 points clear at the top of the league and through to another cup final then it really is time to hang up your Chelsea scarf for good, and leave those of us that do support the club to it. Assuming you were ever actually a CFC fan to begin with, of course.”
“Dixon - if you still can't muster any enjoyment from your team being 5 points clear at the top of the league and through to another cup final then it really is time to hang up your Chelsea scarf for good, and leave those of us that do support the club to it. Assuming you were ever actually a CFC fan to begin with, of course.”
I don't like Jose and never have done! Sorry for having an opinion that you don't liike.
I would say that some of the football has been attractive this year but when it comes to the crunch it's been the same old Jose that rises to the top.
Costa has totally proved me wrong and I'm pleased that he has done!
Zuma looks like the one to fill JT's boots.
Willian remains a total waste of space and his lack of serious contribution is hurting us.
Oscar continues to frustrate. Those two could cost us the title!
We cannot keep relying on Hazard, Fabregas and Costa to pull us through.
Originally Posted by Dixon:
“I don't like Jose and never have done! Sorry for having an opinion that you don't liike.
I would say that some of the football has been attractive this year but when it comes to the crunch it's been the same old Jose that rises to the top.
Costa has totally proved me wrong and I'm pleased that he has done!
Zuma looks like the one to fill JT's boots.
Willian remains a total waste of space and his lack of serious contribution is hurting us.
Oscar continues to frustrate. Those two could cost us the title!
We cannot keep relying on Hazard, Fabregas and Costa to pull us through.”
“I don't like Jose and never have done! Sorry for having an opinion that you don't liike.
I would say that some of the football has been attractive this year but when it comes to the crunch it's been the same old Jose that rises to the top.
Costa has totally proved me wrong and I'm pleased that he has done!
Zuma looks like the one to fill JT's boots.
Willian remains a total waste of space and his lack of serious contribution is hurting us.
Oscar continues to frustrate. Those two could cost us the title!
We cannot keep relying on Hazard, Fabregas and Costa to pull us through.”
By same old Jose rising to the top do you mean top of the league? Because if so I think that's the first time you have been right for many posts
Schurrle looks to have left and Cuardado signed as his replacement. Really dont know much about him, is he an improvement on Schurrle?
I always thought Schurrle just needed a run of games, hes always looked OK for me, if a little wasteful.
I always thought Schurrle just needed a run of games, hes always looked OK for me, if a little wasteful.
Originally Posted by dend:
“Schurrle looks to have left and Cuardado signed as his replacement. Really dont know much about him, is he an improvement on Schurrle?
I always thought Schurrle just needed a run of games, hes always looked OK for me, if a little wasteful.”
“Schurrle looks to have left and Cuardado signed as his replacement. Really dont know much about him, is he an improvement on Schurrle?
I always thought Schurrle just needed a run of games, hes always looked OK for me, if a little wasteful.”
Different type of player.
Cuardado gives us something we currently dont really have at the moment.
Big fan of Schurrle but IMO we just did not need a player of his type but so one at his level, It was a waste of a very good talent
Originally Posted by dend:
“Schurrle looks to have left and Cuardado signed as his replacement. Really dont know much about him, is he an improvement on Schurrle?
I always thought Schurrle just needed a run of games, hes always looked OK for me, if a little wasteful.”
“Schurrle looks to have left and Cuardado signed as his replacement. Really dont know much about him, is he an improvement on Schurrle?
I always thought Schurrle just needed a run of games, hes always looked OK for me, if a little wasteful.”
Cuadrado's decent but not good enough to seriously challenge for a place in your first team IMO. If he's only been signed to be a squad player, I'd question the £23m fee that I've seen mentioned.
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