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Old 05-07-2014, 10:47
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So how much did we get for him? more than 49m? E or £.
Fifty million £
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Old 05-07-2014, 13:35
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he was captain material, if you could risk playing him.
This bizarre sentence is the reason I'm convinced people are just trolling me when they praise him
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Old 05-07-2014, 14:16
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This bizarre sentence is the reason I'm convinced people are just trolling me when they praise him
I know what they mean though. He is captain material as he's well respected by all his team mates, helped all the other Brazilians settle and seems to be very good in the dressing room, a leader on the pitch in that he'll try and make something happen and not a bad public face for the club or his country. Very likeable guy, media friendly etc Despite his highlighted errors during the world cup, he's been the most valuable player according to FIFA statistics, so he's hardly crap. He's an excellent footballer.
Unfortunately, we just need a good defender to fill in very specific defensive duties, which is why Gary Cahill has pushed him out. We don't need his creativity from the back or him making long runs and 50 yard passes from defence as we'd rather he sat back at CB and actually defended. He'll suit PSG partnering Thiago Silva and would have been a good Puyol replacement for Barca as well. Wish him loads of success as he's done well for us.
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Old 05-07-2014, 14:27
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The problem is we have idiot commentators and people watching football with spreadsheets and pretty graphs and pie charts.

Luiz is a very good footballer and one that is going to be a very useful on and off the field asset. He going to be a major name in world football
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Old 05-07-2014, 14:59
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The problem is we have idiot commentators and people watching football with spreadsheets and pretty graphs and pie charts.
Sorry, my mistake. Sometimes I forget the rest of us are incapable of forming our own opinions.
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Old 05-07-2014, 15:27
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also his actions after the game as well that said alot about him
He's always been a guy with a big heart; it was very sweet of him to console Rodriguez after...I wanted to give him a cuddle myself! Just off the top of my head, I remember him comforting Lukaku after he missed his pen in the Super Cup and funnily enough, he also consoled Mata after he missed his pen in the CL final.

I know what they mean though. He is captain material as he's well respected by all his team mates, helped all the other Brazilians settle and seems to be very good in the dressing room, a leader on the pitch in that he'll try and make something happen and not a bad public face for the club or his country. Very likeable guy, media friendly etc Despite his highlighted errors during the world cup, he's been the most valuable player according to FIFA statistics, so he's hardly crap. He's an excellent footballer.
Unfortunately, we just need a good defender to fill in very specific defensive duties, which is why Gary Cahill has pushed him out. We don't need his creativity from the back or him making long runs and 50 yard passes from defence as we'd rather he sat back at CB and actually defended. He'll suit PSG partnering Thiago Silva and would have been a good Puyol replacement for Barca as well. Wish him loads of success as he's done well for us.
You've hit the nail on the head there. JT and Cahill are both excellent for a counter attacking system hence the qualities which Luiz excels at weren't required in defence. There's a reason why teams such as PSG, Bayern Munich and Barcelona were linked with him and it's not just because he posts selfies and sticks his tongue out all the time. He just wasn't right for our system which in turn doesn't make him a bad defender.
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Old 05-07-2014, 16:05
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Sorry, my mistake. Sometimes I forget the rest of us are incapable of forming our own opinions.
Of course everyone has the right to do that but IMO we are very backwards in England when it comes to certain aspects of the game and styles. More so when it comes to "defenders", most top nations clubs in football would want a player of his ability in their league. But over here he is labelled "a play station player".

Until England start producing players of his style and ability I think we just doing what we are currently doing and just going around in circles and producing nonsense reports and making pointless changes just for the sake of it
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Old 05-07-2014, 17:14
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I know what they mean though. He is captain material as he's well respected by all his team mates, helped all the other Brazilians settle and seems to be very good in the dressing room, a leader on the pitch in that he'll try and make something happen and not a bad public face for the club or his country. Very likeable guy, media friendly etc Despite his highlighted errors during the world cup, he's been the most valuable player according to FIFA statistics, so he's hardly crap. He's an excellent footballer.
Unfortunately, we just need a good defender to fill in very specific defensive duties, which is why Gary Cahill has pushed him out. We don't need his creativity from the back or him making long runs and 50 yard passes from defence as we'd rather he sat back at CB and actually defended. He'll suit PSG partnering Thiago Silva and would have been a good Puyol replacement for Barca as well. Wish him loads of success as he's done well for us.
I think that's the most astute analysis of David Luiz I've ever read.
We should have been able to use a player of his ability, but it's hard to make an argument that we were wrong to let him go. Pethaps with the arrival of Matic, and the possibility of another defensive midfield player, we could have allowed for his more cavalier approach. But he arrived at a time when we needed two solid, orthodox central defenders in our back four, and his lapses in concentration couldn't be tolerated.
I still love watching him play, he's got a big heart and gives everything he's got for the team..even if it doesn't always come off.
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Old 05-07-2014, 19:04
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Not Chelsea fan but if Chelsea dont finish in top 2 with costa, then it's going to be have to be a very good team that beats them
Just look at the team they can pick
Costa
Oscar
Courtios
Hazard
Wiliam
Among others, got makings of a very good side at home and abroad
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Old 05-07-2014, 21:11
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Not Chelsea fan but if Chelsea dont finish in top 2 with costa, then it's going to be have to be a very good team that beats them
Just look at the team they can pick
Costa
Oscar
Courtios
Hazard
Wiliam
Among others, got makings of a very good side at home and abroad
As I've been saying

Courtois
Ivan Cahill terry azpi
Matic fabregas
Willian oscar hazard
Costa

With schurrle, Torres, ba, salah, Ramires, milkkel, cech, zouma, van ginkel, romeu, etc on the bench
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Old 06-07-2014, 13:39
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Not Chelsea fan but if Chelsea dont finish in top 2 with costa, then it's going to be have to be a very good team that beats them
Just look at the team they can pick
Costa
Oscar
Courtios
Hazard
Wiliam
Among others, got makings of a very good side at home and abroad


Have you actually ever seen Costa play? If you have, can you tell me what is so good about him?
One of the reasons this is the worst Brazilian team many of us have ever seen is because a player as mediocre as Willam can get into the squad. But what really shows how bad and ugly this Brazilian team is, is the woeful Ramires. He is everything that Brazil was never about. At least it's good to hear so many non Brazilians slaughtering this team because they fully deserve it!
Oscar's poor form has continued and gone on so long he should be fighting for his future next season.
Sadly, along with the unfit Ronaldo, Hazard was probably the biggest flop of this World Cup. Very dissapointed with him and the Belgium team as a whole.
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Old 06-07-2014, 14:41
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Have you actually ever seen Costa play? If you have, can you tell me what is so good about him?
One of the reasons this is the worst Brazilian team many of us have ever seen is because a player as mediocre as Willam can get into the squad. But what really shows how bad and ugly this Brazilian team is, is the woeful Ramires. He is everything that Brazil was never about. At least it's good to hear so many non Brazilians slaughtering this team because they fully deserve it!
Oscar's poor form has continued and gone on so long he should be fighting for his future next season.
Sadly, along with the unfit Ronaldo, Hazard was probably the biggest flop of this World Cup. Very dissapointed with him and the Belgium team as a whole.
Is this the Brazil side that is in the semi-final's? By being the worst side for ages mean they are not as good as the last 2 world cup sides that have only reached the quarter finals?

I hate to see how upset the players will be if they win the World Cup and people call them the worst Brazilian side to win the world cup, I hope they will not be hurt by the insults to much.

Unless they take a leaf out of a former Chelsea players book and mention their world cup medal
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Old 06-07-2014, 15:41
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Also think you being unfair to the Belgium team. They went into the world cup as one of the most over hyped teams in the World Cup. They are still a very unexperienced team when it comes to the World Cup (and not even qualified for it last few times) so we are not going to see the fruits until maybe another one or two tournaments. It's not like league football where someone can come along and wave a magic wand and transform a mid-level side into league winners, you can have great players but with no World Cup experience it won't take you that far but experience mixed with OK-decent players you can go that much further. The players would have learnt more in the games they have played in this tournament then they learnt in a whole season of league football
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Old 06-07-2014, 23:43
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Have you actually ever seen Costa play? If you have, can you tell me what is so good about him?
One of the reasons this is the worst Brazilian team many of us have ever seen is because a player as mediocre as Willam can get into the squad. But what really shows how bad and ugly this Brazilian team is, is the woeful Ramires. He is everything that Brazil was never about. At least it's good to hear so many non Brazilians slaughtering this team because they fully deserve it!
Oscar's poor form has continued and gone on so long he should be fighting for his future next season.
Sadly, along with the unfit Ronaldo, Hazard was probably the biggest flop of this World Cup. Very dissapointed with him and the Belgium team as a whole.
I've only seen Diego Costa maybe 8 or 9 times. He's looked quite impressive in half of those. He hasn't got the silky skills we may have grown used to, but he is a constant threat and can be a nightmare for defenders. More importantly, his scoring record over the past couple of seasons is very impressive. You don't get 56 goals in 96 games by luck alone, he must have something.

I don't understand your criticism of Willian and Ramires. Willian had a good season for us, but hasn't been given many opportunities for Brazil. Ramires is the same as usual, he just gets on with his job doing the donkey work. Neither are first choice players for Brazil, but they are decent squad members. There's not a team in the World Cup with 23 world class players. Oscar has been disappointing after a promising start, but I've not been keen on the way Scolari sets things up. Fred up front is just a waste of space as far as I'm concerned, practically anyone in the squad would be an improvement.

Hazard didn't set the place on fire, but I'm not entirely surprised. Belgium never really played as a team, and he appeared to be wasted stuck out on the left. We play him left midfield but he has more licence to wander in our set up. I was expecting to see Belgium using their skillful youngsters switching around with neat one-touch interchanges, but it rarely happened. Maybe the World Cup just came a year or two too early for them ?
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Old 07-07-2014, 00:03
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What I like about Costa is when he scores goals.

Over 50% of his goals last season are "important" goals i.e winning ones etc. Yes it nice to score the 3rd goal in a 3-0 win but it's more important to be the goal scorer in the 1-0 win and that was the type of striker we needed (only 25% of Jaw's goals was important). Also he is very good at playing with his back to goal which will also bring Hazzard , Oscar and William into the game more.

He is very much in the Drogba,Lamps,JT mould of picking the game up by the scruff of the next when we playing badly and carrying the team to victory by any means necessary and at any cost (even splitting his shin open to score a goal).

He don't score great goals but scores a great number of goals. I seem to remember some one (i think it was the Dutch manager but more likely wrong) that all JFH did was score goals Costa is that type of player
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Old 07-07-2014, 13:04
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Is this the Brazil side that is in the semi-final's? By being the worst side for ages mean they are not as good as the last 2 world cup sides that have only reached the quarter finals?

I hate to see how upset the players will be if they win the World Cup and people call them the worst Brazilian side to win the world cup, I hope they will not be hurt by the insults to much.
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Again, for you it's all about the result and nothing else.
Seeing that Chelsea are not involved, i wonder why you're even bothering to watch You have no real love for the actual game of football and what happens out there on the pitch so why not just check the news and see the results and goals?

Brazil became the most popular team in world football for the way they played the 'beautiful game'. The team of 82 didn't win or even get to the final, but they are still regarded by most people as the second best Brazilian team of all time and still much loved today. Socrates has said he'd rather play the way they did and lose than play like this Brazilian team.
If this team does go and win it, they will be forgotten about by the time the new football season starts. World Cup winners that are just a footnote in the history of the game. A team that has damaged the long and much loved tradition of Brazilian football.
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Old 07-07-2014, 13:10
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I've only seen Diego Costa maybe 8 or 9 times. He's looked quite impressive in half of those. He hasn't got the silky skills we may have grown used to, but he is a constant threat and can be a nightmare for defenders. More importantly, his scoring record over the past couple of seasons is very impressive. You don't get 56 goals in 96 games by luck alone, he must have something.

I don't understand your criticism of Willian and Ramires. Willian had a good season for us, but hasn't been given many opportunities for Brazil. Ramires is the same as usual, he just gets on with his job doing the donkey work. Neither are first choice players for Brazil, but they are decent squad members. There's not a team in the World Cup with 23 world class players. Oscar has been disappointing after a promising start, but I've not been keen on the way Scolari sets things up. Fred up front is just a waste of space as far as I'm concerned, practically anyone in the squad would be an improvement.

Hazard didn't set the place on fire, but I'm not entirely surprised. Belgium never really played as a team, and he appeared to be wasted stuck out on the left. We play him left midfield but he has more licence to wander in our set up. I was expecting to see Belgium using their skillful youngsters switching around with neat one-touch interchanges, but it rarely happened. Maybe the World Cup just came a year or two too early for them ?
Ramires should not be anywhere near a Brazilian squad!!!
it's sad a day that such an extremely limited workhorse is taking the place of a proper Brazilian footballer.
I also do not agree that WIillian had a fine season. He was all workrate with almost no end product. Nowhere near good enough for someone who cost so much! Imho, he looks like an 8 million pound squad player or someone who should be in a Spurs or Everton shirt, not in a team with title ambitions!
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Old 07-07-2014, 13:34
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Again, for you it's all about the result and nothing else.
Seeing that Chelsea are not involved, i wonder why you're even bothering to watch You have no real love for the actual game of football and what happens out there on the pitch so why not just check the news and see the results and goals?

Brazil became the most popular team in world football for the way they played the 'beautiful game'. The team of 82 didn't win or even get to the final, but they are still regarded by most people as the second best Brazilian team of all time and still much loved today. Socrates has said he'd rather play the way they did and lose than play like this Brazilian team.
If this team does go and win it, they will be forgotten about by the time the new football season starts. World Cup winners that are just a footnote in the history of the game. A team that has damaged the long and much loved tradition of Brazilian football.
So being popular is important now? "Please like me please love me" it's just more of the changing football into Shite factor or Strictly Come Dancing where you will get extra points for entertainment or artistic miret. Winner or popular? I take being a winner

I don't think a single member of the team will forget about "winning a world cup". Being a plucky loser is exactly why English football is in the mess it is in

Ahhh the beautiful game, jumpers for goal posts, sunny afternoons playing all day long, skins against shirts. It all makes me want a lemonade sparkle ice lolly (someone please tell me they still being made or I really will be in a bad mood). I wonder if we can walk though a wardrobe to this world?

Back in the real world Brazil have a better chance of winning the world cup then they have in along time

Football has changed since those bygone days

It's a business and in business you succeed at all cost.
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Old 07-07-2014, 13:54
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So being popular is important now? "Please like me please love me" it's just more of the changing football into Shite factor or Strictly Come Dancing where you will get extra points for entertainment or artistic miret. Winner or popular? I take being a winner

I don't think a single member of the team will forget about "winning a world cup". Being a plucky loser is exactly why English football is in the mess it is in

Ahhh the beautiful game, jumpers for goal posts, sunny afternoons playing all day long, skins against shirts. It all makes me want a lemonade sparkle ice lolly (someone please tell me they still being made or I really will be in a bad mood). I wonder if we can walk though a wardrobe to this world?

Back in the real world Brazil have a better chance of winning the world cup then they have in along time

Football has changed since those bygone days

It's a business and in business you succeed at all cost.
In life we live for the moment. When that moment has passed we are left with a memory, be it a negative or positive one or one that is insignificant and fades away.
Imo, memories are a hugely important part of life! Sadly, apart from the players involved and a number of hardcore Brazilian fans, this team will leave nothing to remember and therefor they will be very quickly forgotten about.

i fail to see how anyone can think your cold, calculating approach to the game is the way forward.
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Old 07-07-2014, 18:55
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I think it was about time Luiz left, as others have said we just dont need him, He is a fantastic player but he was a Luxury at the end of the day. He isn't a midfielder and his defending is suspect at times, therefore it made sense to let him go, espeically as it funded a top quality striker for us.

Costa is a good signing, especially for the money. £32m seems like a good deal given his record, i was expecting to pay more in all honesty. I would rather Costa then Cavani or Falcao for £50m+, neither have looked convincing in the last year(although to be fair Falcao has had a bad injury). We were never going to sign Suarez or RVP, so who else is there? Zlatan? Benzema? Higuian? Costa still trumps them for me at the moment. Ofcourse the worry is that he doesn't fully recover from his injury at the end of last season(was a hamstring i think), which is always a risk, as Torres has never recovered from his really. End of the day we have signed a proven goal scorer, so lets back him and hope he scores a bag load next season.

Also, interestingly Schwarzers signed a new deal, wonder does that affect Courtois coming back? or are we going to have 3 good keepers for next season? Can't see Schwarzer getting any game time unless there is an injury crisis !
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Old 07-07-2014, 23:40
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Again, for you it's all about the result and nothing else.
Seeing that Chelsea are not involved, i wonder why you're even bothering to watch You have no real love for the actual game of football and what happens out there on the pitch so why not just check the news and see the results and goals?

Brazil became the most popular team in world football for the way they played the 'beautiful game'. The team of 82 didn't win or even get to the final, but they are still regarded by most people as the second best Brazilian team of all time and still much loved today. Socrates has said he'd rather play the way they did and lose than play like this Brazilian team.
If this team does go and win it, they will be forgotten about by the time the new football season starts. World Cup winners that are just a footnote in the history of the game. A team that has damaged the long and much loved tradition of Brazilian football.
I really struggle with you Dixie. You live in an old fashioned football bubble that disappeared long ago.
Are you really saying that if Brazil win a home World Cup they will be forgotten ? Absolute nonsense. They will all be immortalised by Brazilians at home.
Sorry but football really is about winning. All that praise Liverpool got last season amounted to nothing in the end. Bet they wished they parked the bus once or twice now.
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Old 08-07-2014, 08:56
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I really struggle with you Dixie. You live in an old fashioned football bubble that disappeared long ago.
Are you really saying that if Brazil win a home World Cup they will be forgotten ? Absolute nonsense. They will all be immortalised by Brazilians at home.
Sorry but football really is about winning. All that praise Liverpool got last season amounted to nothing in the end. Bet they wished they parked the bus once or twice now.
But they will be remembered.

I will remember Stevey G's face for years to come. I will also remember Lenny Pidgeley has more premiership medals then him.

Brazil success at this world cup was always going the be measured one way and that's by winning it. Losing in Brazil even in the last second to a dodgy offside by a player who should have been sent off would have meant complete failure.

Don't like giving any one connected with Liverpool any praise but when a certain manager said "if your second you are nothing" he was spot on.

Losing strangely enough is for losers
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Old 08-07-2014, 10:34
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I hear cole has taken a 75% pay cut to join roma.

Why didnt he do that and stay at the bridge?
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Old 08-07-2014, 10:40
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I hear cole has taken a 75% pay cut to join roma.

Why didnt he do that and stay at the bridge?
Any number of reasons really. Maybe we didn't even offer him another deal even on reduced wages? Or perhaps he just doesn't want to be a bench-warmer for us? Or he fancies playing the last couple of years of his career overseas?

Good luck to him at Roma though. Glad to see he's moved abroad rather than joining another PL side.
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Old 08-07-2014, 10:43
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I hear cole has taken a 75% pay cut to join roma.

Why didnt he do that and stay at the bridge?
Because he was not going to play at Chelsea and they have offered him a longer deal (and would have got a very nice signing on fee).

He wants to play football, Going to Roma means he going to play football.
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