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Old 11-03-2015, 22:45
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Did he? Luiz never hit the deck.
his hair hits the deck, ......... first
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Old 11-03-2015, 22:46
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Richmond is right. Souness was talking out of his arse. Acting like PSG are some footballing heroes taking down the big, bad and evil Chelsea. He ignored the fact that Verratti and Luiz were dirty all night. No surprise coming from Souness, he hates us.
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Old 11-03-2015, 22:49
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Did he? Luiz never hit the deck.
He normally hits rakes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yrEiuVVCqM

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Old 11-03-2015, 22:51
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Funnily enough my son & I were both just agreeing how refreshing it is to hear someone have the gumption to tell it like it is. Well said Souness.
It was a ridiculous over-reaction to suggest that Chelsea were cheating and diving throughout. Most fair independent observers would agree that PSG were guilty of some pretty rough stuff in the first leg, and continued with the same during the first half of this match. If there's any irony involved, it's that when PSG decided to stop their antics in the second half when down to ten men, they were a much better side !
Same with Carragher, suddenly it's the end of Engish club football. No it's not, it's one game that was close and Chelsea lost on away goals. Last night Real Madrid were lucky to get through against a very average Schalke team. It's just football.
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Old 11-03-2015, 22:53
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PSG went about the game the same way we did, but they are getting praised while we are being slated!
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Old 11-03-2015, 22:56
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It was a ridiculous over-reaction to suggest that Chelsea were cheating and diving throughout. Most fair independent observers would agree that PSG were guilty of some pretty rough stuff in the first leg, and continued with the same during the first half of this match. If there's any irony involved, it's that when PSG decided to stop their antics in the second half when down to ten men, they were a much better side !
Same with Carragher, suddenly it's the end of Engish club football. No it's not, it's one game that was close and Chelsea lost on away goals. Last night Real Madrid were lucky to get through against a very average Schalke team. It's just football.
It's not just about tonight. For the last few years at most 1 English side has reached the last 8 and beyond.

It's looking likely that this time next week there will be no English sides left in the competition.
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Old 11-03-2015, 23:00
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I wasn't that impressed with Joses tactics towards the end of the game either. Keeping Costa on and Drogba on just diddnt make sense to me, left us too exposed in midfield.
Yes it didn't make that much sense to me either. Looking at our bench and the options we had to bring on I can't help thinking that we should have kept Schurrle till the summer at least. Cuadrado hasn't made any impression yet, although it's early days, but at least with Schurrle we had a player who we knew was capable of scoring a goal or two.

Lets concentrate on the league, make sure we win it and we can pat ourselves on the back for a good season with 2 trophies.
Indeed. As disappointing as that performance was, on reflection I'd rather we were knocked out now than at the semi-final stage again and risk blowing the league through fatigue. The treble was never likely the way we've been playing. We've been struggling for quite a while now, just need to get through the final 11 PL games.
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Old 11-03-2015, 23:02
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Richmond is right. Souness was talking out of his arse. Acting like PSG are some footballing heroes taking down the big, bad and evil Chelsea. He ignored the fact that Verratti and Luiz were dirty all night. No surprise coming from Souness, he hates us.
Yes, he went on to say PSG were "fabulous" ! What has he been on during the game ? Some pretty strong stuff by the sounds of it. It was basically a terrible game, which was won by a side that were marginally better on the night.
Yes, they were down to ten men. But playing like we did, Bradford would have beaten us..again.
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Old 11-03-2015, 23:03
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I wouldn't worry about the league.

I have no doubt that you'll win it.
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Old 12-03-2015, 01:43
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Still so many players not performing for us. Swansea was the last time we played well, but they were utter bollocks that day, so not sure how much of it was actually us.
I lack confidence in a team that's 5 points clear at the top of the league. Hmm.
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Old 12-03-2015, 05:37
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Lets concentrate on the league....
Yeah, why not do that.
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Old 12-03-2015, 09:46
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Still so many players not performing for us. Swansea was the last time we played well, but they were utter bollocks that day, so not sure how much of it was actually us.
I lack confidence in a team that's 5 points clear at the top of the league. Hmm.
Me too. For a team that's at the top of the league we really do have too many players that just don't cut it (Oscar, Willian, Ramires etc, not to mention a 37 y/o being our manager's preferred back-up striker).
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Old 12-03-2015, 10:47
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A deserved result really. There are problems in attack and there have been for a long time now. Disjointed, not enough shots on goal, not enough fast, low crosses into the box, etc.

Chelsea can play attacking football and score a lot of goals. Ancelotti showed that when we won the double. Now, there's just too much emphasis on tracking back and defensive work. The balance has gone too far the other way. Willian looks more like a right back at times.

PSG are no angels and some of their play was a lot more dirty than Chelsea's. The team needs to move on, but there are problems and they need to be addressed. Other wise, the league could slip away as well.
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Old 12-03-2015, 10:53
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I don't see what Ancelotti's Chelsea has anything to do with anything. Very different players and a very different league.
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Old 12-03-2015, 12:58
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Me too. For a team that's at the top of the league we really do have too many players that just don't cut it (Oscar, Willian, Ramires etc, not to mention a 37 y/o being our manager's preferred back-up striker).
Oscar is one of the best young players on the planet. Yes, his form has dipped, but that could be due to being overplayed. At 23 he has already shown his potential and is the pivot between cesc, willian, hazard and costa. Quite the responsibility.

Willian is all over the pitch, boundless energy and tracks back. Every team would love to have him. He does need to improve his threat up front though, but he ALLOWS Ivan to get forward and score all those goals from the rb position.

The team is fine, it has just failed to click yet. But we have the best team, and the best young team in the league. They will only get better, whilst citys team is aging, and united need to spend another 250 million!

Lets just settle and win the league and cup double - what 19 other clubs would love to do!
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Old 12-03-2015, 12:58
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I don't see what Ancelotti's Chelsea has anything to do with anything. Very different players and a very different league.
Next we will be asking for Juan Mata back!
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Old 12-03-2015, 13:07
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united need to spend another 250 million!
No, they don't.
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Old 12-03-2015, 13:39
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Whatever happens this season we are going in the right direction.

Cannot remember many games we have not scored this season (in all competitions) and think we only a couple of goals behind City for number of goals scored in the league, if, if you compare that to last season that is a massive improvement (last season i doubt we scored in training).

We have made just as amazing strides with regards to FFP, from being a club who spent money in a way that looked like there was no thought behind it we have become on the best buyers and sellers around.

We have a number of young players on the edge of the first team and have found a gem in Zouma.

Yes we have still things to do but the improvement over the last two seasons have been amazing.

From where we was when Rafa was in charge and to now is truly amazing.

At the moment we have only just touched double figures percentage wise where this road could take us
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Old 12-03-2015, 13:43
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Richmond is right. Souness was talking out of his arse. Acting like PSG are some footballing heroes taking down the big, bad and evil Chelsea. He ignored the fact that Verratti and Luiz were dirty all night. No surprise coming from Souness, he hates us.
He may hate you, can't blame him personally, but he was making a more general point that more & more games are being won by gamesmanship and cheating. He's right; it's not just Chelsea, it's top level football in virtually all competitions from the World Cup down (or up, depending on how you view that these days).

German football is particularly bad for it - I've given up on some of BT's coverage of Bundesliga matches because of the endless theatrical diving & falling to the floor. And in case you think the criticism from yesterday was a snap response to seeing PSG win, here's what I posted a couple of weeks ago after the League Cup Final. Seems like last night was a continuation from that.

Glad it's not just me then. The LC Final on Sunday was dispiriting to watch - Spurs were playing some nice passing football and looked to be keen on making a match of it. Chelsea's tactics, carried over from all of the league matches that I've seen them during this season & last, seem to involve falling to the floor at every opportunity where a dead-ball might be more beneficial. Their first goal was as good an example as any other - slight touch on the player's arm = theatrical full pike turn spin & collapse to the floor; result = handy free kick that led to the goal. Costa was up to it for most of the match, falling down wherever an opportunity presents itself, and the final 15 minutes when Spurs were looking for the goal that would give them a chance, no way. The game has to be repeatedly stopped whilst Chelsea fall to the floor again & again. To top it all, Costa is subbed v late on when he's right over the far side and makes it his final task to walk as slowly as possible across the pitch.

Well done Chelsea. I'm sure you're all chuffed to bits at winning things, but good football it ain't. It's ugly unpleasant football.
For the record, I'm not anti-Chelsea. I don't like any teams that make play-acting & cheating their core skill. As things stand it's v unlikely I'll be watching Sky Sports next season though.
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Old 12-03-2015, 13:58
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Oscar is one of the best young players on the planet. Yes, his form has dipped, but that could be due to being overplayed. At 23 he has already shown his potential and is the pivot between cesc, willian, hazard and costa. Quite the responsibility.

Willian is all over the pitch, boundless energy and tracks back. Every team would love to have him. He does need to improve his threat up front though, but he ALLOWS Ivan to get forward and score all those goals from the rb position.

The team is fine, it has just failed to click yet. But we have the best team, and the best young team in the league. They will only get better, whilst citys team is aging, and united need to spend another 250 million!

Lets just settle and win the league and cup double - what 19 other clubs would love to do!
Yes, I'd agree with most of that. I actually thought we were ok in the first half. Neither side created many clear cut chances, but that's the kind of game it was. You have to give some credit to PSG. With Verratti, Motta and Matuidi playing in front of Silva and Luiz, they have a formidable outfit.
It all started to unravel after half time. I'm still none the wiser about what we were playing at. I'm guessing that Jose told them to calm things down, keep possession and push the ball around. But things didn't go to script, passes were going astray and we suddenly looked a yard slower all over the pitch.
I don't think you can draw any meaningful conclusion about one half of a football match. We haven't suddenly become a poor team overnight, but we're probably not quite as good as we think we are either.
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Old 12-03-2015, 14:17
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personally I don't think Chelsea are anywhere near good enough to seriously compete in the CL yet. yes, you're beating shit teams and winning the league very comfortably, but it's a poor league at this point in time, so it's not quite the achievement it's made out to be.

for the money spent, and also the type of players in the market that you have access to, I'd expect more creativity and an attacking plan that amounts to more than just giving it to Hazard or Terry/Cahill/Ivanovic scoring from set-pieces.
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Old 12-03-2015, 15:00
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for the money spent, and also the type of players in the market that you have access to, I'd expect more creativity and an attacking plan that amounts to more than just giving it to Hazard or Terry/Cahill/Ivanovic scoring from set-pieces.
Its horses for courses, our net spend has actually been close to zero for a few transfer windows. When you compare that to our rivals like LFC, united and city then we are actually doing brilliantly for "the money spent".

We are at the moment reliant on hazard, but thats like MU reliant on rooney, madrid on ronaldo and barca on messi. They are all that good.

When everything click with this young team, i think it will be a brilliant team

And it wasnt that bad, we didnt actually lose to PSG but rather went out on a ridiculous rule.
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Old 12-03-2015, 15:25
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Its horses for courses, our net spend has actually been close to zero for a few transfer windows. When you compare that to our rivals like LFC, united and city then we are actually doing brilliantly for "the money spent".

We are at the moment reliant on hazard, but thats like MU reliant on rooney, madrid on ronaldo and barca on messi. They are all that good.

When everything click with this young team, i think it will be a brilliant team

And it wasnt that bad, we didnt actually lose to PSG but rather went out on a ridiculous rule.
bib. Sorry, but young? The average age of your squad is currently 27, you have many older players, Terry, Ivanovic, Cahill, Drogba, Filipe Luis and Remy, along with Cech all over that age. That is not what can be called young, you have a mass of older, well experienced players in your team choice.
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Old 12-03-2015, 15:31
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Oscar is one of the best young players on the planet. Yes, his form has dipped, but that could be due to being overplayed. At 23 he has already shown his potential and is the pivot between cesc, willian, hazard and costa. Quite the responsibility.

Willian is all over the pitch, boundless energy and tracks back. Every team would love to have him. He does need to improve his threat up front though, but he ALLOWS Ivan to get forward and score all those goals from the rb position.
Failed to click? We were fantastic for the first half of the season. Costa and Fabregas have completely stopped playing and now we're back to hoping Hazard can do it all on his own. And Oscar isn't young - he's 23, and he's been poor for a long time now. First it was 'he's too tired', then it was 'he's saving himself for the world cup', now we're back to tired again? If he is too tired to have an effect, then why is he in the team?

Playing poorly and scraping wins is fine, but we shouldn't be afraid to point out the obvious. We are not playing well and we are going to come unstuck again if certain players don't step the f**k up.
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Old 12-03-2015, 15:34
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Its horses for courses, our net spend has actually been close to zero for a few transfer windows. When you compare that to our rivals like LFC, united and city then we are actually doing brilliantly for "the money spent".

We are at the moment reliant on hazard, but thats like MU reliant on rooney, madrid on ronaldo and barca on messi. They are all that good.

When everything click with this young team, i think it will be a brilliant team

And it wasnt that bad, we didnt actually lose to PSG but rather went out on a ridiculous rule.
bib - no...just no

the net spend thing is kinda meaningless, to me at least, as you've gotten very good money for players you didn't want, and brought in the players that you do want for relatively less. ~£100m for Luiz, Lukaku, and Schurrle compared to ~£90m for Costa, ~Fabregas and Cuadrado. the bottom line is you've still spent heavily and haven't yet been able to put together a great team. yes you're better than Man U, City and Liverpool, but you're basically just celebrating being the best of a bad bunch. doing "brilliantly" compared to those three really is no great achievement.

I'm also a bit confused about just which young team it is you're referring to.
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