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Old 14-03-2015, 10:28
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No one ever loved Liverpool in their pomp.
No one ever loved United in their pomp.
If we have their success and are hated as much as them then bring it on
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Old 14-03-2015, 10:33
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Seen that it seems we won't be loved.

But I want to be loved, I want a hug I have to be loved, someone love us
Yes, it's the British way. Look at Frank Bruno, Colin Montgomerie, Jimmy White, Tim Henman & co. We need to be loveable failures. First thing we need to do is get rid of Jose, it's obvious that he is far too intent on winning things, that won't do at all. There are lots of likeable losers we could bring in to make us more loveable.
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Old 14-03-2015, 10:50
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I think it's the time we live in.

It's all about being popular and liked.

Where being liked is classed as winning.

Would people phone and vote for us on a Saturday evening.

We are not in a school sports day where we all get medals and hugs afterwards.

The only thing that matters that always matters is come the final day of the season someone has tied blue ribbons to the premiership trophy and we are lifting it.

It's not going to happen every season as the film the highlander says "there can be only one". But as long as we in with the shout until the last weekend of those rare seasons we don't win it then we are going about things in the right way
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Old 14-03-2015, 11:31
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Well our neighbours, Fulham, have got the loveable losers act down to a fine art. I made the mistake of taking my sons to Fluham, and it was love at first sight. They never threaten anyone really. They almost came unstuck over the past 50 years getting to a couple of finals, but then came to their senses and pluckily lost. Even I've got a soft spot for them.
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Old 14-03-2015, 12:29
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Maybe we should ask DS to put a like button on post's?

Then people can say "ohhhhh 10 people like what i said"
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Old 14-03-2015, 12:40
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I agree that there is a part of the British culture that doesn't like winners, and there are ref's that like to try to give the weaker teams a chance by turning a blind eye to ott physical football. I don't agree with that part of the British game, and think it encourages the type of football that will never win a world cup or European championship.

Having said that, to suggest that the only way to win the PL is with obsessive emphasis on defending is utter rubbish. Chelsea hold the record for most PL goals scored in a season, They won the league that year with attractive, positive football.

As already mentioned, the obsessively defensive football is starting to come unstuck anyway. The team has shipped more late goals than most other PL clubs and Southampton have a better defensive record for least goals conceded.

The most successful teams in Europe over the past decade are: Barcelona, Bayern and Man Utd, and they all did it by playing positive, attacking football. It's also the way Chelsea teams have played for the most part over the past 110 years.

Brits will probably dislike Chelsea teams that win, but will definitely hate Chelsea teams that try and win with negative, overly defensive football. That type of football invites criticism, and it's not the Chelsea way and it's not the Chelsea style.
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Old 14-03-2015, 13:04
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Who cares about criticism?

Who cares if people hate how we win?

How many titles have we won over 110 years?

There is no such thing as "winning the x team way".

Its just winning.

Is our current way the only way? Nope but it is a way and we can spend between now and the end of the earth discussing them BUT TODAY is all the matters and we can say this might happen if we do this or if we do that its all very good but at the end of the day this way has worked. There is no proof we could win the title playing this "attacking style" nonsense but at the moment there is more evidence that it can be won playing our current system.

For a team that plays negative football (even more nonsense) yet how many games have we failed to score in this season?

How far are we from the leagues top goalscorers? Have we played the same number of games then them?

How many more goals have we coincided then this wonderful Southampton side? Have we played the same number of games?

Surely if you are going to compare two teams you have to put them on a level playing field?
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Old 14-03-2015, 14:16
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I agree that there is a part of the British culture that doesn't like winners, and there are ref's that like to try to give the weaker teams a chance by turning a blind eye to ott physical football. I don't agree with that part of the British game, and think it encourages the type of football that will never win a world cup or European championship.

Having said that, to suggest that the only way to win the PL is with obsessive emphasis on defending is utter rubbish. Chelsea hold the record for most PL goals scored in a season, They won the league that year with attractive, positive football.

As already mentioned, the obsessively defensive football is starting to come unstuck anyway. The team has shipped more late goals than most other PL clubs and Southampton have a better defensive record for least goals conceded.

The most successful teams in Europe over the past decade are: Barcelona, Bayern and Man Utd, and they all did it by playing positive, attacking football. It's also the way Chelsea teams have played for the most part over the past 110 years.

Brits will probably dislike Chelsea teams that win, but will definitely hate Chelsea teams that try and win with negative, overly defensive football. That type of football invites criticism, and it's not the Chelsea way and it's not the Chelsea style.
To be honest, I'm rather surprised that you would fall for all this rubbish about Chelsea playing "negative" football. If you actually analyse our games, we play as much attacking football as any other team in the PL. It's our woeful finishing that usually lets us down.
Yes, Barcelona are different. With Messi, Suarez and Neymar up front they can probably afford to throw caution to the wind.
I agree with you in one respect, I want to see a return to the way we played in Mourinho's first spell. But that was also built on a strong defence and a mixture of power combined with skill in midfield. We had a style and swagger in those days that is missing now. Personally, winning a game 2-0 and being in complete control throughout gives me more satisfaction than winning a 5-3 thriller. I'm sure Jose wants the same as all of us, to win and to win with a certain style and panache. After all, who wouldn't want that ? But in the meantime the priority is just winning, or at least not losing.
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Old 14-03-2015, 14:35
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To be honest, I'm rather surprised that you would fall for all this rubbish about Chelsea playing "negative" football. If you actually analyse our games, we play as much attacking football as any other team in the PL. It's our woeful finishing that usually lets us down.
Yes, Barcelona are different. With Messi, Suarez and Neymar up front they can probably afford to throw caution to the wind.
I agree with you in one respect, I want to see a return to the way we played in Mourinho's first spell. But that was also built on a strong defence and a mixture of power combined with skill in midfield. We had a style and swagger in those days that is missing now. Personally, winning a game 2-0 and being in complete control throughout gives me more satisfaction than winning a 5-3 thriller. I'm sure Jose wants the same as all of us, to win and to win with a certain style and panache. After all, who wouldn't want that ? But in the meantime the priority is just winning, or at least not losing.
RB, you usually say some good points, but come on. Man city away, 1 - 0 up against 10 men, the team falls back and concedes. Man Utd away, 1 - 0 up and cruising, the team falls back and concedes late on. 0 - 0 against 10 men PSG, the team falls back and even Costa goes ballistic because he can't understand why his team mates are backing off. The media goes on the attack, and even Mourhino concedes that the team bottled it.

Mourhino got sacked the last time he refused to play positive football. Are you trying to get him sacked again?!

There are some good points made on this thread but there's also some badly thought out nonsense.

If you're going to write on the thread, at least try and stay balanced.
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Old 14-03-2015, 14:37
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This is what we need and this is what we want!

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/31776032

Come on the Chels'!
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Old 14-03-2015, 15:56
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RB, you usually say some good points, but come on. Man city away, 1 - 0 up against 10 men, the team falls back and concedes. Man Utd away, 1 - 0 up and cruising, the team falls back and concedes late on. 0 - 0 against 10 men PSG, the team falls back and even Costa goes ballistic because he can't understand why his team mates are backing off. The media goes on the attack, and even Mourhino concedes that the team bottled it.

Mourhino got sacked the last time he refused to play positive football. Are you trying to get him sacked again?!

There are some good points made on this thread but there's also some badly thought out nonsense.

If you're going to write on the thread, at least try and stay balanced.
Well, it could be that I just refuse to jump on any old bandwagon that happens to be passing. I've heard so much crap about us "parking the bus" that anyone using that kind of argument just loses any respect from me. You do at least try to qualify your argument, I'll give you that.
But I don't see that trying to shut up shop when you're 1-0 in front away from home is necessarily negative. Particulary when the opposition is Man Utd and Man City. If there's a fault in those tactics, it's because we don't possess the all round quality in defence and midfield that we had in Mourinho's previous spell.
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Old 14-03-2015, 15:57
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No that's not what we want.

We don't a team that wins a league title and then next season wins nothing.

We had enough one step forward three step backwards over the last few years.

How many seasons ago did we finish outside the top 4?

Yes the win in Munich was nice but it wallpapered over some massive cracks. Since then we have mucked about with a trophy we should not have even bothered in the last few seasons of Bates owning us and being further from the title then we was before Roman bought us, We had a series of managers who was just about qualified to be a number two of a team that was trying to get 5/6th place (Rafa being the low point in a long list of board decisions).

This season was always going to be about one thing and that was turning Chelsea into a force in the league, something we have not been before Munich.

That was the first thing on the list of must do's when Jose returned.

It's not about this season it's about 5 years time. This season is the foundations and they had to contain the title. Over the next few years we are going to see some massive changes in the league, The new TV deal along with a few clubs getting massive new grounds (something we are years and years away from getting) will mean our cheque book will count for nothing (more so with FFP) so we need to show them something else and nothing attracts players like a nice league title trophy.

We have wasted the first ten years of Romans ownership but trying to do everything at once and that has cost us.

Let's see if we will say the same about the next 10 of his ownership, I don't think we will do
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Old 14-03-2015, 19:24
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City lose to burnley!

5 points clear, two games in hand.

It's ours to lose now
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Old 14-03-2015, 19:28
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Yes ! Burnley 1 Man City 0. Win tomorrow and we will be 8 points clear with 10 games to go.
Don't throw it away now..please.
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Old 15-03-2015, 11:28
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Feels like a massive game today, a must win in some respects, especially after the PSG result. You gotta feel if we win today we are huge favorites for the league, short of a complete implosion.

Lets see it out, Come on you blues!
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Old 15-03-2015, 11:37
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We only have the league to play for, 5 points clear, two games in hand.

This is a must win, fir it will kill off the hopes city have of catching us, they will have nothing to play for and risk dropping more.

If we give them a sniff, it could still be close....
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Old 15-03-2015, 12:22
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Yes, I hate to tempt fate, but a win today should almost wrap things up. We would still have three potentially tricky games left, Man Utd (H), Arsenal (A) and Liverpool (H). The other games (at least on paper) look very winnable. Man City still have away fixtures againt Man Utd and Spurs, together with a few other potential banana skins.
It could still end up close, but a win today wiil give us some valuable breathing space. Arsenal finishing strong, they could be our biggest rivals.
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Old 15-03-2015, 13:23
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Yeh, we could regret cheering MC 0 Ars2! especially if they beat us!
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Old 15-03-2015, 13:43
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Great team goal by Chelsea, good work from hazard, crossed by Ivan and headed home by Costa.

Let's make a statement!
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Old 15-03-2015, 13:48
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Was just going to say defence looks shaky!
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Old 15-03-2015, 13:52
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Was just going to say defence looks shaky!
It was never a pen, matic clearly got the ball and the Southampton player was on his way down.

I must be watching a different game to the commentators

Clear pen missed by the ref on Ivan. Shambles
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Old 15-03-2015, 13:52
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All over the place.
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Old 15-03-2015, 13:58
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It was never a pen, matic clearly got the ball and the Southampton player was on his way down.

I must be watching a different game to the commentators
I thought it was borderline, but it seemed to me that Matic had curled his leg around the ball and won it. Looking shaky at the back though, might need 3 or 4 to win this !
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Old 15-03-2015, 14:00
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2 key decisions go southamptons way so far, I think we will have to win the league in spite of the officials.

It's really putting me off watching at the moment.
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Old 15-03-2015, 14:01
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What the hell is going on ? This is suicidal defending.
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