Originally Posted by jimmy_reed:
“he is on record admitting to being a Smooth Criminal”
“he is on record admitting to being a Smooth Criminal”
No he isn't. He sung about a Smooth Criminal, though.
Gary Glitter Comeback ?!
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Did you know ?
In 1968, while touring in Germany, Gene Vincent tried to murder Gary Glitter, but his gunshots went wide right. - See more at: http://www.goldminemag.com/article/d....UQzoQr0b.dpuf
In 1968, while touring in Germany, Gene Vincent tried to murder Gary Glitter, but his gunshots went wide right. - See more at: http://www.goldminemag.com/article/d....UQzoQr0b.dpuf
Originally Posted by Gilbertoo:
“You'll probably and understandably call me a liar now, but Michael Jackson stayed at my friends house for two weeks shortly after the first accusations were made by Jordy Chandler.
My friend was under no illusion and truly felt that, following the time he spent with MJ, that he did sleep with children……but, and here's the BIG trick, that is was done COMPLETELY ASEXUALLY. He simply sleep with kids and nothing more. Like a sleepover.
If was as if MJ still had the mindset of a child….something none of us can truly empathise with, given that he was an AAA-lister from the age of 10 or so until his death. I mean, what was normality to him? Did he ever have a real childhood? When at my friends house, he was told when to go to the toilet. He loved computer games and playing with toys. He did sleep whilst wearing a mask……and….bearing in mind of what he was being accused of, he had the stupidity to have several photographs taken with his arms wrapped around my friend and his brother whilst sitting on a bed. I saw these photos and thought "wow, what a doofus!".
Gary Glitter is a convicted sex-pest. Michael Jackson is not.
It is incredibly unfair to put them both in the same category.”
“You'll probably and understandably call me a liar now, but Michael Jackson stayed at my friends house for two weeks shortly after the first accusations were made by Jordy Chandler.
My friend was under no illusion and truly felt that, following the time he spent with MJ, that he did sleep with children……but, and here's the BIG trick, that is was done COMPLETELY ASEXUALLY. He simply sleep with kids and nothing more. Like a sleepover.
If was as if MJ still had the mindset of a child….something none of us can truly empathise with, given that he was an AAA-lister from the age of 10 or so until his death. I mean, what was normality to him? Did he ever have a real childhood? When at my friends house, he was told when to go to the toilet. He loved computer games and playing with toys. He did sleep whilst wearing a mask……and….bearing in mind of what he was being accused of, he had the stupidity to have several photographs taken with his arms wrapped around my friend and his brother whilst sitting on a bed. I saw these photos and thought "wow, what a doofus!".
Gary Glitter is a convicted sex-pest. Michael Jackson is not.
It is incredibly unfair to put them both in the same category.”
He still slept with them regardless. How do we know he wasent touching their tinky winkie.
Originally Posted by daveycrocket222:
“He still slept with them regardless. How do we know he wasent touching their tinky winkie.”
“He still slept with them regardless. How do we know he wasent touching their tinky winkie.”
We don't. And it looks like we never will know, either. But what we do know for certain is that MJ wasn't found guilty of any crime.
Gary Glitter was.
Originally Posted by Gilbertoo:
“We don't. And it looks like we never will know, either. But what we do know for certain is that MJ wasn't found guilty of any crime.
Gary Glitter was.”
“We don't. And it looks like we never will know, either. But what we do know for certain is that MJ wasn't found guilty of any crime.
Gary Glitter was.”
Yeah and Jimmy Savile was never found guilty of any crime either so that doesn't mean anything
Originally Posted by jimmy_reed:
“Yeah and Jimmy Savile was never found guilty of any crime either so that doesn't mean anything”
“Yeah and Jimmy Savile was never found guilty of any crime either so that doesn't mean anything”
Of course, please feel free to name-check all the people who have come out of the woodwork since MJs death…
So now MJ is now in the same category as Gary Glitter and now Jimmy Savile. Wow!
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Yep, that's who the thread is about. Not deciding how guilty or innocent you believe someone else to be.
Yep, that's who the thread is about. Not deciding how guilty or innocent you believe someone else to be.
Originally Posted by Fairyprincess0:
“Have you ever heard the lyric to his song 'touch me', written by glitter himself.
We've been here too long tryin' to get along
Pretending that you're, oh, so shy
I'm a natural man doin' all I can
My temperature is runnin' high
Friday night no one in sight
And we got so much to share
Talkin's fine if you got the time
I ain't got the time to spare
Do you wanna touch? Yeah
Do you wanna touch? Yeah
Do you wanna touch me there? Yeah
Do you wanna touch? Yeah
Do you wanna touch? Yeah
Do you wanna touch me there? Where? There, yeah, oh
Yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah
My my my my my
Yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah
Every growin' boy needs a little joy
All you do is sit and stare
Beggin' on my knees, baby won't you please
Run your fingers through' my hair
My my my whiskey and rye
Don't it make you feel so fine?
Right or wrong, don't it turn you on?
Can't you see we're wastin' time?
Do you wanna touch? Yeah
Do you wanna touch? Yeah
Do you wanna touch me there? Yeah
Do you wanna touch? Yeah
Do you wanna touch? Yeah
Do you wanna touch me there? Where? There, yeah, oh
Yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah
There, there, there
Yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah
Yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah
Every growing boy needs a little joy
(Yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah)
Beggin' on my knees, baby, if you please
(Yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah)
Every growing boy needs a little toy
(Yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah)
I'm a natural man doin' all I can
(Yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah)
Every Friday night I got to get my share
(Yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah)
I'm waiting so long, yeah
SONGWRITERS
MICHAEL LEANDER;GARY GLITTER
PUBLISHED BY
SONGS OF UNIVERSAL, INC.;UNIVERSAL/MCA MUSIC LTD.
This has got to be the most unpleasant song ever....”
“Have you ever heard the lyric to his song 'touch me', written by glitter himself.
We've been here too long tryin' to get along
Pretending that you're, oh, so shy
I'm a natural man doin' all I can
My temperature is runnin' high
Friday night no one in sight
And we got so much to share
Talkin's fine if you got the time
I ain't got the time to spare
Do you wanna touch? Yeah
Do you wanna touch? Yeah
Do you wanna touch me there? Yeah
Do you wanna touch? Yeah
Do you wanna touch? Yeah
Do you wanna touch me there? Where? There, yeah, oh
Yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah
My my my my my
Yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah
Every growin' boy needs a little joy
All you do is sit and stare
Beggin' on my knees, baby won't you please
Run your fingers through' my hair
My my my whiskey and rye
Don't it make you feel so fine?
Right or wrong, don't it turn you on?
Can't you see we're wastin' time?
Do you wanna touch? Yeah
Do you wanna touch? Yeah
Do you wanna touch me there? Yeah
Do you wanna touch? Yeah
Do you wanna touch? Yeah
Do you wanna touch me there? Where? There, yeah, oh
Yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah
There, there, there
Yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah
Yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah
Every growing boy needs a little joy
(Yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah)
Beggin' on my knees, baby, if you please
(Yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah)
Every growing boy needs a little toy
(Yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah)
I'm a natural man doin' all I can
(Yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah)
Every Friday night I got to get my share
(Yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah)
I'm waiting so long, yeah
SONGWRITERS
MICHAEL LEANDER;GARY GLITTER
PUBLISHED BY
SONGS OF UNIVERSAL, INC.;UNIVERSAL/MCA MUSIC LTD.
This has got to be the most unpleasant song ever....”
I have always suggested that you have to consider the quality of an artists music first. Clearly there are things in an artists's life which will influence their music but I would only disregard Gary Glitter's music if it advocated child abuse in some way.
To be honest 'Do you want to touch?' Is the one song that may be advocating something abusive and might be considered unpleasant.
Like many songs though, it is open to interpretation and at the time of its first release it was considered a little naughty but that's all which is not at all unusual in pop music. Hindsight tempers our view of the song.
Much of Gary Glitter's music which was nearly all co-written with Mike Leander was a rediscovery/restatement of earlier Rock N'Roll music and was excellent pop music.
Should Mike Leander be tarred with the same brush as Gary Glitter?
Originally Posted by jimmy_reed:
“fans of Gary Glitters MUSIC have made 'leader of the gang' climb over 540,000 places overnight on amazon !!!! its currently number 73 in the top 100 rock mp3 bestsellers rank
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B...2609693&sr=1-4”
“fans of Gary Glitters MUSIC have made 'leader of the gang' climb over 540,000 places overnight on amazon !!!! its currently number 73 in the top 100 rock mp3 bestsellers rank
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B...2609693&sr=1-4”
words simply fail me
Originally Posted by jimmy_reed:
“Did you know ?
In 1968, while touring in Germany, Gene Vincent tried to murder Gary Glitter, but his gunshots went wide right. - See more at: http://www.goldminemag.com/article/d....UQzoQr0b.dpuf”
“Did you know ?
In 1968, while touring in Germany, Gene Vincent tried to murder Gary Glitter, but his gunshots went wide right. - See more at: http://www.goldminemag.com/article/d....UQzoQr0b.dpuf”
Damn he should of done the job right
Originally Posted by jimmy_reed:
“you're all forgetting R Kelly”
“you're all forgetting R Kelly”
I read that some southside of Chicago high schools have a R Kelly policy, in that he's been told he's barred from going anywhere near them.
Also not convicted of anything, of course.
Originally Posted by Gilbertoo:
“You'll probably and understandably call me a liar now, but Michael Jackson stayed at my friends house for two weeks shortly after the first accusations were made by Jordy Chandler.
My friend was under no illusion and truly felt that, following the time he spent with MJ, that he did sleep with children……but, and here's the BIG trick, that is was done COMPLETELY ASEXUALLY. He simply sleep with kids and nothing more. Like a sleepover.
If was as if MJ still had the mindset of a child….something none of us can truly empathise with, given that he was an AAA-lister from the age of 10 or so until his death. I mean, what was normality to him? Did he ever have a real childhood? When at my friends house, he was told when to go to the toilet. He loved computer games and playing with toys. He did sleep whilst wearing a mask……and….bearing in mind of what he was being accused of, he had the stupidity to have several photographs taken with his arms wrapped around my friend and his brother whilst sitting on a bed. I saw these photos and thought "wow, what a doofus!".
Gary Glitter is a convicted sex-pest. Michael Jackson is not.
It is incredibly unfair to put them both in the same category.”
“You'll probably and understandably call me a liar now, but Michael Jackson stayed at my friends house for two weeks shortly after the first accusations were made by Jordy Chandler.
My friend was under no illusion and truly felt that, following the time he spent with MJ, that he did sleep with children……but, and here's the BIG trick, that is was done COMPLETELY ASEXUALLY. He simply sleep with kids and nothing more. Like a sleepover.
If was as if MJ still had the mindset of a child….something none of us can truly empathise with, given that he was an AAA-lister from the age of 10 or so until his death. I mean, what was normality to him? Did he ever have a real childhood? When at my friends house, he was told when to go to the toilet. He loved computer games and playing with toys. He did sleep whilst wearing a mask……and….bearing in mind of what he was being accused of, he had the stupidity to have several photographs taken with his arms wrapped around my friend and his brother whilst sitting on a bed. I saw these photos and thought "wow, what a doofus!".
Gary Glitter is a convicted sex-pest. Michael Jackson is not.
It is incredibly unfair to put them both in the same category.”
Fairness is irrelevant. He's dead, people can say anything they like about him.
See- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM8EVIbNxk4
Originally Posted by Gilbertoo:
“This highlights my point perfectly.
People like you and I live in the real world. Something we both may sometimes under appreciate. MJ didn't and as such, trying to understand the world he lived in can be perplexing.
Besides, what is illegal about simply sharing a bed with a child? Sure, I wouldn't do it with someone elses child. It just feels wrong. No doubt the absolute majority of people wouldn't do it…..but MJ did. I wouldn't allow my child to have a sleepover with another adult. No doubt the absolute majority of parents wouldn't, either. But Jordy Chandlers parents seemingly did.”
“This highlights my point perfectly.
People like you and I live in the real world. Something we both may sometimes under appreciate. MJ didn't and as such, trying to understand the world he lived in can be perplexing.
Besides, what is illegal about simply sharing a bed with a child? Sure, I wouldn't do it with someone elses child. It just feels wrong. No doubt the absolute majority of people wouldn't do it…..but MJ did. I wouldn't allow my child to have a sleepover with another adult. No doubt the absolute majority of parents wouldn't, either. But Jordy Chandlers parents seemingly did.”
lol.. yep, we live in the real world, jacko didnt. yep agreed. that though doesnt excuse his actions...did fred west live in the real world? how many excuses can you make for these nut jobs? and has been pointed out who in the right mind would let their kids near such a person? he was clearly unhinged at best, a sinister perv at worst.
theres no excuse for it, it was wrong.
Originally Posted by Gilbertoo:
“What crime did MJ commit again?”
“What crime did MJ commit again?”
we dont know. we never will know. we do know that like oj simpson he was found not guilty of any crime. but how can 'jesus juice' be explained? plying kids with drink and showing them porn? and sleeping with them?
fans chose to think this is normal and there was nothing dodgy going on. but in reality we dont KNOW but there are some pretty compelling grounds for doubting his motives or sanity. either way he shouldnt have been given access to kids... no one else would get away with such antics and have blind fans excuse it just because its him.
Originally Posted by jimmy_reed:
“Did you know ?
In 1968, while touring in Germany, Gene Vincent tried to murder Gary Glitter, but his gunshots went wide right. - See more at: http://www.goldminemag.com/article/d....UQzoQr0b.dpuf”
“Did you know ?
In 1968, while touring in Germany, Gene Vincent tried to murder Gary Glitter, but his gunshots went wide right. - See more at: http://www.goldminemag.com/article/d....UQzoQr0b.dpuf”
wow...didnt know that, i wonder why?
Originally Posted by jimmy_reed:
“Yeah and Jimmy Savile was never found guilty of any crime either so that doesn't mean anything”
“Yeah and Jimmy Savile was never found guilty of any crime either so that doesn't mean anything”
Originally Posted by JCR:
“Fairness is irrelevant. He's dead, people can say anything they like about him.
See- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM8EVIbNxk4”
“Fairness is irrelevant. He's dead, people can say anything they like about him.
See- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM8EVIbNxk4”
To be fair, I think people said these things when he was alive as well.
His antics around children has always divided opinion, his loyal fans will say nothing bad about him, his haters will condemn him, and then you have the middle who think what he was doing was wrong, but are unsure if he went beyond that or not. But MJ has only got himself to blame for those doubts.
To get back on topic..
Personally the day we start to condemn a persons art, because of how/what the person does in their private life, is the day we start to burn books...and those views should only be held with the fanatical few, who would ban everything they could just because they don't believe things should exist.
Personally the day we start to condemn a persons art, because of how/what the person does in their private life, is the day we start to burn books...and those views should only be held with the fanatical few, who would ban everything they could just because they don't believe things should exist.
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The Glitter - Vincent Incident. An interview from a touring musician from a local German band that was staying in the hotel (Hotel Metropole on the Reeperbahn) at the same time said. Even though on 'This Is Your Life' Glitter says Vincent tried to shoot him over a girlfriend, the local musician claims that Vincent took a dislike to Glitter (then known as Paul Raven) days before because Gary was strutting around like he owned the place and being rude to some of the waitresses. Days later when he knew Glitter was partying in his room Gene Vincent knocked on the door, pushed past the girl who opened it and fired FOUR shots at Gary Glitter (Gene being extremely drunk missed by a good distance) . The very next day a petrified Glitter was on the next available flight back to the UK and when a badly hungover Gene Vincent was woken up the next day he claimed not to remember anything about the night before.
The Glitter - Vincent Incident. An interview from a touring musician from a local German band that was staying in the hotel (Hotel Metropole on the Reeperbahn) at the same time said. Even though on 'This Is Your Life' Glitter says Vincent tried to shoot him over a girlfriend, the local musician claims that Vincent took a dislike to Glitter (then known as Paul Raven) days before because Gary was strutting around like he owned the place and being rude to some of the waitresses. Days later when he knew Glitter was partying in his room Gene Vincent knocked on the door, pushed past the girl who opened it and fired FOUR shots at Gary Glitter (Gene being extremely drunk missed by a good distance) . The very next day a petrified Glitter was on the next available flight back to the UK and when a badly hungover Gene Vincent was woken up the next day he claimed not to remember anything about the night before.
Originally Posted by dearmrman:
“What from mj's own mouth on a famous interview he did a few years ago, when he admitted sleeping with children...but if you think it is okay for a grown man to sleep with children that are unrelated, then you go ahead and think that, personally to me that is wrong and cannot be justified.”
“What from mj's own mouth on a famous interview he did a few years ago, when he admitted sleeping with children...but if you think it is okay for a grown man to sleep with children that are unrelated, then you go ahead and think that, personally to me that is wrong and cannot be justified.”
It's not illegal that's the main thing.
Originally Posted by mushymanrob:
“of course he is guilty, it was well documented as one of the greatest miscarriages of justice ever. where is he now?oh yes in jail for armed robbery.
im not saying jacko is guilty, i dont know, i wasnt there, but pointing to the american justice system as proof of innocence is barmy. just watch the docs on the subject, the way innocent men have been wrongLy convicted and crims have got off.jackson is the biggest cash cow the states have ever produced, its not beyond the realms of possibility that those who make money out of jacko are protecting their intrests.”
“of course he is guilty, it was well documented as one of the greatest miscarriages of justice ever. where is he now?oh yes in jail for armed robbery.
im not saying jacko is guilty, i dont know, i wasnt there, but pointing to the american justice system as proof of innocence is barmy. just watch the docs on the subject, the way innocent men have been wrongLy convicted and crims have got off.jackson is the biggest cash cow the states have ever produced, its not beyond the realms of possibility that those who make money out of jacko are protecting their intrests.”
He was found not guilty in court, that's all that really matters isn't it? His current sentence has nothing to do with it.
Originally Posted by jimmy_reed:
“Yeah and Jimmy Savile was never found guilty of any crime either so that doesn't mean anything”
“Yeah and Jimmy Savile was never found guilty of any crime either so that doesn't mean anything”
Jimmy Savile's crimes came to light after he died, kind of hard to do a trial for a dead person.
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cheers
no, what really matters is the truth, and the truth coming out in a court of law.
no one else is in the frame, it was oj, he is guilty of it, but they failed to prosecute him. so whilst legally he was found not guilty, that doesnt mean he is innocent.
the point being (along with other miscarriages of justice) that you cannot point to an american court of law for 'proof' of innocence. its flawed.
like i said, i/we/you/nobody KNOWS whther jacko did anything or not. he might just be an innocent pathetic child like creature (which doesnt tie in with being a creative genius), he might be a highly manipulative serial paedophile, or something somewhere in between... but you can bet your life that the people making vast sums of money out of the jackson brand would do everything they can to protect their cash cow. and that does explain all the excuses made to justify or normalise jacksons behaviour.
Originally Posted by mushymanrob:
“
The Glitter - Vincent Incident. An interview from a touring musician from a local German band that was staying in the hotel (Hotel Metropole on the Reeperbahn) at the same time said. Even though on 'This Is Your Life' Glitter says Vincent tried to shoot him over a girlfriend, the local musician claims that Vincent took a dislike to Glitter (then known as Paul Raven) days before because Gary was strutting around like he owned the place and being rude to some of the waitresses. Days later when he knew Glitter was partying in his room Gene Vincent knocked on the door, pushed past the girl who opened it and fired FOUR shots at Gary Glitter (Gene being extremely drunk missed by a good distance) . The very next day a petrified Glitter was on the next available flight back to the UK and when a badly hungover Gene Vincent was woken up the next day he claimed not to remember anything about the night before.”
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The Glitter - Vincent Incident. An interview from a touring musician from a local German band that was staying in the hotel (Hotel Metropole on the Reeperbahn) at the same time said. Even though on 'This Is Your Life' Glitter says Vincent tried to shoot him over a girlfriend, the local musician claims that Vincent took a dislike to Glitter (then known as Paul Raven) days before because Gary was strutting around like he owned the place and being rude to some of the waitresses. Days later when he knew Glitter was partying in his room Gene Vincent knocked on the door, pushed past the girl who opened it and fired FOUR shots at Gary Glitter (Gene being extremely drunk missed by a good distance) . The very next day a petrified Glitter was on the next available flight back to the UK and when a badly hungover Gene Vincent was woken up the next day he claimed not to remember anything about the night before.”
cheers
Originally Posted by walterwhite:
“He was found not guilty in court, that's all that really matters isn't it? His current sentence has nothing to do with it.”
“He was found not guilty in court, that's all that really matters isn't it? His current sentence has nothing to do with it.”
no, what really matters is the truth, and the truth coming out in a court of law.
no one else is in the frame, it was oj, he is guilty of it, but they failed to prosecute him. so whilst legally he was found not guilty, that doesnt mean he is innocent.
the point being (along with other miscarriages of justice) that you cannot point to an american court of law for 'proof' of innocence. its flawed.
like i said, i/we/you/nobody KNOWS whther jacko did anything or not. he might just be an innocent pathetic child like creature (which doesnt tie in with being a creative genius), he might be a highly manipulative serial paedophile, or something somewhere in between... but you can bet your life that the people making vast sums of money out of the jackson brand would do everything they can to protect their cash cow. and that does explain all the excuses made to justify or normalise jacksons behaviour.
Originally Posted by dearmrman:
“To be fair, I think people said these things when he was alive as well.
His antics around children has always divided opinion, his loyal fans will say nothing bad about him, his haters will condemn him, and then you have the middle who think what he was doing was wrong, but are unsure if he went beyond that or not. But MJ has only got himself to blame for those doubts.”
“To be fair, I think people said these things when he was alive as well.
His antics around children has always divided opinion, his loyal fans will say nothing bad about him, his haters will condemn him, and then you have the middle who think what he was doing was wrong, but are unsure if he went beyond that or not. But MJ has only got himself to blame for those doubts.”
I've said this before but there is a point where you're so talented or there's so much money at stake that people just ignore negative sides to a talents personality. Heck, Chaplin had unhealthy interests in teenage girls and I still love his work. How could you not?
Sadly for Glitter I don't think he is there yet.
Originally Posted by jimmy_reed:
“Glitter served his time, MJ and R Kelly didn't/haven't”
“Glitter served his time, MJ and R Kelly didn't/haven't”
Paedos don't have time ever.
we all know Jackson is guilty.only his fans refuse to believe it.end of story.back to the subject.wouldnt it be a laugh if gary glitter got to number one with this download? I can see it now,all the media up in arms at the supposed outrage.
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