Originally Posted by celesti:
“Dock his wages!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
“Dock his wages!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
He doesn't get paid for playing for England so maybe that's why he is so shit in tournaments
WC2014, Group D: England vs Italy @ Manaus [11pm, BBC 1/HD]
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Originally Posted by Hetal:
“Baines was by far the worst. Looks to be out of his depth without a winger. Very overrated.
Bad mistake not bringing in Cole.”
“Baines was by far the worst. Looks to be out of his depth without a winger. Very overrated.
Bad mistake not bringing in Cole.”
The guy had absolutely no protection in the first half though. That's just a function of the formation we play. I don't think Cole would have found life much easier out there.
We're looking for individual scapegoats - but I think the loss was really a tactical & team one.
Originally Posted by StarryNight1983:
“He doesn't get paid for playing for England so maybe that's why he is so shit in tournaments”
“He doesn't get paid for playing for England so maybe that's why he is so shit in tournaments”
It's not. Money's irrelevant.
Good performance from Roy's side tonight.
Still plenty to play for.
I think this is a side that will do so well in France Euro 2016 .
Still plenty to play for.
I think this is a side that will do so well in France Euro 2016 .
Originally Posted by nevada:
“Why is the Uruguay game dubbed as one we cannot lose or we go home?
Isn't the below a possibility?
Italy 9pts
England 3
Costa Rica 3
Uruguay 3”
“Why is the Uruguay game dubbed as one we cannot lose or we go home?
Isn't the below a possibility?
Italy 9pts
England 3
Costa Rica 3
Uruguay 3”
If Italy and Costa Rica draw then the loser of Uruguay v England will go out - and if it's a draw then it's going to be a push.
They play the day after us so we could be waiting to be put out of our misery.
Originally Posted by robborocks:
“The heat has got to Roy.
Praising Rooney and Gerrard.
Oh dear.”
“The heat has got to Roy.
Praising Rooney and Gerrard.
Oh dear.”
Yeah, he's going to go on telly in the middle of the World Cup and say they played shit
Originally Posted by Joooe:
“Thought we played alright, much better than recent tournament performances attacking-wise.
A note for Thursday - take the bloody chances.”
“Thought we played alright, much better than recent tournament performances attacking-wise.
A note for Thursday - take the bloody chances.”
I agree, the younger players were exciting and a breath of fresh air, even though we lost i have come away from tonights game with more hope than the 0-0 draw against Algeria
good thing for sterling this isn't the Uruguay of old England will be playing next as after tonight he will have a big target on his back
Originally Posted by nevada:
“Why is the Uruguay game dubbed as one we cannot lose or we go home?
Isn't the below a possibility?
Italy 9pts
England 3
Costa Rica 3
Uruguay 3”
“Why is the Uruguay game dubbed as one we cannot lose or we go home?
Isn't the below a possibility?
Italy 9pts
England 3
Costa Rica 3
Uruguay 3”
that would be the cheekiest way to qualify out of the group stages
Originally Posted by celesti:
“It's not. Money's irrelevant.”
“It's not. Money's irrelevant.”
Why does he seem to struggle then, I don't get it!
39 goals in qualifying & not one in a World Cup tournament - I don't get it!
That game was lost because of inept management.
Henderson and Gerrard both looked out of their depth and needed help in midfield as Pirlo and co. were simply running through them. And sadly, Italy were there for the taking.
As for Rooney, he was pony. If you're not going to play him up front, then don't play him at all. He was a passenger most of the game.
Full backs need sorting out aswell, Baines needed more cover and Johnsons selection is based on the fact that there is no one else. Eventually the fans and the media will turn on Hodgson, this whole "He's alright because he's English" approach soon wears off.
Decent set of players, poor manager. I'd have thought his dismal track record would have sent alarm bells ringing.
Henderson and Gerrard both looked out of their depth and needed help in midfield as Pirlo and co. were simply running through them. And sadly, Italy were there for the taking.
As for Rooney, he was pony. If you're not going to play him up front, then don't play him at all. He was a passenger most of the game.
Full backs need sorting out aswell, Baines needed more cover and Johnsons selection is based on the fact that there is no one else. Eventually the fans and the media will turn on Hodgson, this whole "He's alright because he's English" approach soon wears off.
Decent set of players, poor manager. I'd have thought his dismal track record would have sent alarm bells ringing.
Originally Posted by robborocks:
“The heat has got to Roy.
Praising Rooney and Gerrard.
Oh dear.”
“The heat has got to Roy.
Praising Rooney and Gerrard.
Oh dear.”
He can hardly criticise players in public. Stuff like that is best left behind closed doors.
Originally Posted by Serial Lurker:
“Yeah, he's going to go on telly in the middle of the World Cup and say they played shit”
“Yeah, he's going to go on telly in the middle of the World Cup and say they played shit
”
He did it plenty of times at Anfield!
Originally Posted by mimik1uk:
“good thing for sterling this isn't the Uruguay of old England will be playing next as after tonight he will have a big target on his back”
“good thing for sterling this isn't the Uruguay of old England will be playing next as after tonight he will have a big target on his back”
Going by Pereira's challenge this evening I think it is the Uruguay of old!
Originally Posted by Kel'Thuzad:
“I think based on tonight's performance we're going to beat Uruguay and Costa Rica.”
“I think based on tonight's performance we're going to beat Uruguay and Costa Rica.”
I think there's a chance. It's not impossible.
Originally Posted by MrMeatAndPotato:
“That game was lost because of inept management.
Henderson and Gerrard both looked out of their depth and needed help in midfield as Pirlo and co. were simply running through them. And sadly, Italy were there for the taking.
As for Rooney, he was pony. If you're not going to play him up front, then don't play him at all. He was a passenger most of the game.
Full backs need sorting out aswell, Baines needed more cover and Johnsons selection is based on the fact that there is no one else. Eventually the fans and the media will turn on Hodgson, this whole "He's alright because he's English" approach soon wears off.
Decent set of players, poor manager. I'd have thought his dismal track record would have sent alarm bells ringing.”
“That game was lost because of inept management.
Henderson and Gerrard both looked out of their depth and needed help in midfield as Pirlo and co. were simply running through them. And sadly, Italy were there for the taking.
As for Rooney, he was pony. If you're not going to play him up front, then don't play him at all. He was a passenger most of the game.
Full backs need sorting out aswell, Baines needed more cover and Johnsons selection is based on the fact that there is no one else. Eventually the fans and the media will turn on Hodgson, this whole "He's alright because he's English" approach soon wears off.
Decent set of players, poor manager. I'd have thought his dismal track record would have sent alarm bells ringing.”
gotta agree with most of that as well
easy for England fans to get carried away with the positives of the front 4 but playing that lineup led to the team being exposed elsewhere
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Going by Pereira's challenge this evening I think it is the Uruguay of old!”
“Going by Pereira's challenge this evening I think it is the Uruguay of old!”
still probably no more than a shadow of their old selves
Originally Posted by robborocks:
“The heat has got to Roy.
Praising Rooney and Gerrard.
Oh dear.”
“The heat has got to Roy.
Praising Rooney and Gerrard.
Oh dear.”
They've got two more games to come in the space of a week. What do you want him to do? Slag them off and cause a massive rupture in the group, just cause it makes you feel better?
He's best off parrying away those questions as he did, and addressing things in private.
Originally Posted by sn_22:
“The guy had absolutely no protection in the first half though. That's just a function of the formation we play. I don't think Cole would have found life much easier out there.
We're looking for individual scapegoats - but I think the loss was really a tactical & team one.”
“The guy had absolutely no protection in the first half though. That's just a function of the formation we play. I don't think Cole would have found life much easier out there.
We're looking for individual scapegoats - but I think the loss was really a tactical & team one.”
I still think Cole would have done better with the formation we played. Baines literally needs an winger to be effective. Cole can handle himself better imo.
I ultimately blame Hodgson for the whole mess.
Originally Posted by mimik1uk:
“gotta agree with most of that as well
easy for England fans to get carried away with the positives of the front 4 but playing that lineup led to the team being exposed elsewhere”
“gotta agree with most of that as well
easy for England fans to get carried away with the positives of the front 4 but playing that lineup led to the team being exposed elsewhere”
Yes, and when he played a defensive set up last time against Italy, everyone stated there was no ambition.
I'd rather watch that England today and lose than the turgid defensive rubbish that's been served up for the last decade and more.
Originally Posted by MrMeatAndPotato:
“That game was lost because of inept management.
Henderson and Gerrard both looked out of their depth and needed help in midfield as Pirlo and co. were simply running through them. And sadly, Italy were there for the taking.”
“That game was lost because of inept management.
Henderson and Gerrard both looked out of their depth and needed help in midfield as Pirlo and co. were simply running through them. And sadly, Italy were there for the taking.”
How many defensive midfielders should we have played? Henderson and Gerrard should have been capable of holding their own. The fact they didn't says more about them than the tactics.
Originally Posted by MrMeatAndPotato:
“As for Rooney, he was pony. If you're not going to play him up front, then don't play him at all. He was a passenger most of the game.”
“As for Rooney, he was pony. If you're not going to play him up front, then don't play him at all. He was a passenger most of the game.”
He was good enough to make the goal from the left. It's a pity he woke up only once in 90 minutes.
Originally Posted by MrMeatAndPotato:
“Full backs need sorting out aswell, Baines needed more cover and Johnsons selection is based on the fact that there is no one else. Eventually the fans and the media will turn on Hodgson, this whole "He's alright because he's English" approach soon wears off.”
“Full backs need sorting out aswell, Baines needed more cover and Johnsons selection is based on the fact that there is no one else. Eventually the fans and the media will turn on Hodgson, this whole "He's alright because he's English" approach soon wears off.”
Well Johnson's selection is hardly Hodgson's fault then.
As for Baines - that's the risk of playing the 4-2-3-1. Welbeck fell asleep and allowed the ball to go forward when he should have closed the space down. No, he isn't a defender but attacking midfielders have to help the defence out as much as everyone else.
Originally Posted by MrMeatAndPotato:
“Decent set of players, poor manager. I'd have thought his dismal track record would have sent alarm bells ringing.”
“Decent set of players, poor manager. I'd have thought his dismal track record would have sent alarm bells ringing.”
The big game players were dire tonight and not just because of the tactics. The youngsters were brilliant, we looked good going forward and it was the best we've played since... probably the days of Hoddle.
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