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WC2014, Group D: England vs Italy @ Manaus [11pm, BBC 1/HD] |
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As you say I cannot see any scenario in which that could happen after the first round of results. Unless of course Italy lose to Costa Rica
![]() Costa Rica 6 points (beat Italy and Uruguay) Italy 6 points (beat England and Uruguay) England 6 points (beat Uruguay and Costa Rica). England go out on goal difference? |
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They mocked us by bringing on Immobile. I wouldn't recognise him in Maccy Ds, and he plays for Torino? WTF? Beazer Home Premier or something?
England played the best I have ever seen but Rooney should be sacked as IMO he is no footballer - and as for Italy they played FANTASTIC much more of an attacking team which is good to see. |
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Someone fracturing and dislocating their ankle really shouldn't be a laughing matter, but yes it is rather ironic. It's easily done though - a few years ago I messed up my ankle just by slipping on some wet grass.
Rio Ferdinand has apologised for telling him to "run it off" and "man up" http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...ted-ankle.html Gotta feel for the guy though... to have reached the premiere sporting competition of a physios chosen sport and then get sent home on the day of the first match through a careless accident. Hope at least it heals cleanly and quickly for the poor sod. |
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Right. You never know how good Italy are until they go behind, and they have to play. Until then, they take it easy.
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A fantastic performance from him tonight.
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I wouldn't be overly harsh on England anyway. They played very well against a good Italian team, created chances and only lost by a one goal margin.....this was always going to be a very tough opening fixture.
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I wouldn't be overly harsh on England anyway. They played very well against a good Italian team, created chances and only lost by a one goal margin.....this was always going to be a very tough opening fixture.
I thought they had a good, solid game.... some dodgy defending and Rooney looked uncomfortable but a much better performance than the last World Cup. Unfortunately Pirlo had a hell of a game and the rest of the Italian squad performed consistently. One goal difference doesn't exactly mean their team is the embarrasing failure some England fans are making it out to be. Wish the Irish team would try to put in a performance like that. |
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So why were so many of the England players looking totally knackered and suffering cramp in those last 10 minutes? The Italians didn't seem to be anywhere near as tired. Are they just less fit? Not as used to the humidity? Not enough time in Miami and Brazil to acclimatise, compared to Italy..?
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Yeah, I've been browsing the comments on the Guardians match report... you'd think that the English performance was on a par with Spains meltdown.
I thought they had a good, solid game.... some dodgy defending and Rooney looked uncomfortable but a much better performance than the last World Cup. Unfortunately Pirlo had a hell of a game and the rest of the Italian squad performed consistently. One goal difference doesn't exactly mean their team is the embarrasing failure some England fans are making it out to be. Wish the Irish team would try to put in a performance like that. |
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Yeah, I've been browsing the comments on the Guardians match report... you'd think that the English performance was on a par with Spains meltdown.
I thought they had a good, solid game.... some dodgy defending and Rooney looked uncomfortable but a much better performance than the last World Cup. Unfortunately Pirlo had a hell of a game and the rest of the Italian squad performed consistently. One goal difference doesn't exactly mean their team is the embarrasing failure some England fans are making it out to be. Wish the Irish team would try to put in a performance like that. As for England, they actually played very well last night and weren't 'that' far behind a strong and well organised Italian team. |
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Or chasing the ball for 90 minutes because they gave up possession too easily by picking an unbalanced team.
England played pretty well all in all, and lost by a single goal to a good Italian side. A draw would have probably been a fair result on the balance of play. It's a bit arrogant to think that England can just roll over teams like Italy, McIntosh. |
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BTW Is there nothing worse than people who clearly haven't watched the game commenting on it (see Daily Mail comments page)
You can tell who actually did see the game and who are just putting the usual generalisation about the players "not caring/being a disgrace" Cannot say that was the case last night. What I found refreshing is that the team looked like they cared more than at any other time I can remember. It's just that England are still a team growing into what they could be. They looked like they could almost be a brilliant team. But just aren't quite there yet. As has been said by others the defending was lacking, and I agree with the pundits who said that it seemed like when Italy had a free kick and delivered a set piece the defence appeared to take it as a moment to take a breather and lost concentration. |
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I don't think any reasonable person can't question the desire or efforts of the team last night.
Sure, the defending etc can be questioned, but not the desire. Such comment says more about those coming out with the cliched crap than anything else. |
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It was a decent effort from England full of desire, effort and dare I say it... craft.
They just happened to lose against a decent Italian side, but certainly gave them a game. |
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Italy will win the group it seems.
However all depends what they do in the last match against Uruguay and if anything is at stake. Someone could qualify on just three points , although 4 may be enough Because I can imagine Uruguay picking up their game, we can't be sure that England will play as well in the next match, there is no guarantee that the teams will be consistent from one match to another and Costa Rica may not be as easy to defeat as they first appeared to be, they have proven that they can score goals. |
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Speaking of the Irish team, our draws against Costa Rica and Italy in the last fortnight don't look so bad now, and if Portugal were to beat Germany tomorrow, we could say we actually didn't too badly at all with a severely under strength team.
Unfortunately the last time I felt anything but despair about the national team was in the early 90s
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Yes, that does sound like a generic comment that sounds like it's said out of habit.
What I found refreshing is that the team looked like they cared more than at any other time I can remember. It's just that England are still a team growing into what they could be. They looked like they could almost be a brilliant team. But just aren't quite there yet. As has been said by others the defending was lacking, and I agree with the pundits who said that it seemed like when Italy had a free kick and delivered a set piece the defence appeared to take it as a moment to take a breather and lost concentration. Looking back with a bit of hindsight - I've far fewer regrets about last night than I've had about an England loss in quite some time. |
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They gave up possession of the ball far less than any England team in recent memory. In fact, surprisingly, for a first, they looked pretty comfortable in possession of the ball.
England played pretty well all in all, and lost by a single goal to a good Italian side. A draw would have probably been a fair result on the balance of play. It's a bit arrogant to think that England can just roll over teams like Italy, McIntosh. 2nd paragraph - I don't agree. I thought the Italians were clearly the better side and deserved to win. Tactically they were superior. Prandelli 1-0 Hodgson. England attacked well in patches but were nothing special. They could still go through though. 3rd paragraph - I don't think England can roll over teams like Italy and I never have so not sure where you got that from? (I'm not Lawro). I'm not even English but don't let facts get in the way of your assumptions! "Arrogant", indeed.
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I'm not even English but don't let facts get in the way of your assumptions! "Arrogant", indeed.
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My biggest concern is that Uruguay can't play that badly again. They will surely put in a better performance against England than yesterday - especially if Suarez is there. On the other hand, I'm not sure if England will improve on yesterday - both Gerrard and Rooney have flattered to deceive far too many times in an England shirt, Johnson is pretty poor defensively and our formation automatically leaves him and Baines exposed. We'll give them chances. It's a shame this young squad got a such a difficult group to start with but the more I think about the more I think Greg Dyke's cutthroat gesture was spot on.
But I don't think many predicted that the opening matches would have played out like that. I expected the group to be the opposite to how it looks right now in the group table. I think that England really are in the group of death and Costa Rica played much better than I think most gave them credit for. I don't think any of these matches will be easy for any of the teams, any one of the teams could perform better than expected or completely underperform. The England and Uruguay match will probably be a struggle, and if they draw that match it will go down to the last matches of the group to decide who progresses. Italy look good, but they too will have two more hard matches if Uruguay are still in it and Costa Rica will really believe in themselves right now and will compete hard to progress. I look at a couple of the other groups like Groups E, C and H and I'd much rather England were in one of those groups than the one we've ended up in. |
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Oh, I guessed that.
![]() (a) I'm not English? (b) I never once said I thought England were better than Italy? That makes no sense. Arrogance is overestimating yourself. |
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Hah - yeah, good point. Maybe the team isn't quite as awful as I thought... Maybe we only need to get 3 or 4 players of South American standard, instead of 7, to qualify for the Euros...
Unfortunately the last time I felt anything but despair about the national team was in the early 90s ![]() |
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Trust me, I was full of doom and gloom after the draw to Costa Rica and the defeat to Portugal, but this tournament may be about to show us that we were playing exceptionally strong teams and we were severely under strength ourselves. We do need all our best players fit to be in with a shout for qualification and even then it's probably going to be very tight.
Right, off to watch some fights in the Monaghan - Tyrone GAA. game... GAA totally beats the World Cup in the level of in-game head butts, blood and fractures |
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For the first time in many years at a World Cup we put in a performance where we looked technically adept, and weren't just relying on pride, passion and strength. There was lots to be positive about last night.
Uruguay are a very defensive team though, and we will need to be a bit more clinical at times in the final third. Its a shame its taken Roy such a long time to put this more attacking, but intelligent, formation together - as the team hasn't really had enough time playing using these tactics. Defence is still our Achilles Heel - the second goal was a bit of a defensive horror show. What I noticed was that for the most part we looked to pass the ball more accurately, and more quickly, without tripping over own own feet or botching passes which go nowhere near where they're supposed to. and also manage to play fluid attacking football. I think that's one of the reasons we just looked more like a capable team than we have done for many years. Even if we didn't get through the first round, which is a very tough group, I'd still say that something feels very right about this team. |
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Hah - yeah, good point. Maybe the team isn't quite as awful as I thought... Maybe we only need to get 3 or 4 players of South American standard, instead of 7, to qualify for the Euros...
Unfortunately the last time I felt anything but despair about the national team was in the early 90s ![]() I was looking up the permutations of what happens on equal points, I could see Group D going to drawing of lots! |
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