Should Roy not play Rooney in the next game and can England still get out of the group?
Should Rooney be dropped for the next game?
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Originally Posted by Mormon Girl:
“Should Roy not play Rooney in the next game and can England still get out of the group?”
“Should Roy not play Rooney in the next game and can England still get out of the group?”
No and yes.
Whatever happens it will be Rooney's fault.
He's a useless overpaid footballer. The epitome of football today. Does very little, gets paid a lot. Contributed very little and don't even bother to use his assist as a reason for him being there. He struggled throughout the game then started hoofing the ball at goal in a poorly veiled attempt to be the saviour of the game. If only he had the energy and enthusiasm of Sterling but he won't because he is old.
I went to bed at midnight. Didn't think it was worth staying up to watch Jabba the Hutt puff his way up and down the pitch for another 45 minutes.
I'm in two minds, part of me thinks he should be dropped, might give him something to think about. But he was playing out of position, if you're going to play him, at least put him in the right position. He still created the assist for the goal of course.
Folks talking about him being old, well yeah in footballing terms he's getting on a bit but he should be in his prime now!
Folks talking about him being old, well yeah in footballing terms he's getting on a bit but he should be in his prime now!
He cannot play in his best positions, because at least two of our players are in great form in that position., Stirling and Sturridge.
He has proved to be poor in a wide position, leaving an equally poor baines exposed time after time.
So what do you do?
If there are better players in your position, you get dropped and have to fight for your place. This is what should happen. Will it happen to Rooney?
It depends if Roy has the character to do so. Rooney is part of that golden generation, the undroppables. Until steve g, frank and Rooney are long gone, we will not win anything.
We also need desperately to have some real competition for joe hart. He is a calamity waiting to happen but cannot be dropped because there is no alternative, or not one who has been tested in friendliest.
Gerrard showed us that he is no pirlo. A once great driving player who is just past it at this level. Anonymous. But that could be said of others too.
Johnson cannot possibly be the best rb in the country?
Positives were wellbeck, Sturridge and Stirling. Barclay needs another run out too.
The rest all. All very average indeed.
He has proved to be poor in a wide position, leaving an equally poor baines exposed time after time.
So what do you do?
If there are better players in your position, you get dropped and have to fight for your place. This is what should happen. Will it happen to Rooney?
It depends if Roy has the character to do so. Rooney is part of that golden generation, the undroppables. Until steve g, frank and Rooney are long gone, we will not win anything.
We also need desperately to have some real competition for joe hart. He is a calamity waiting to happen but cannot be dropped because there is no alternative, or not one who has been tested in friendliest.
Gerrard showed us that he is no pirlo. A once great driving player who is just past it at this level. Anonymous. But that could be said of others too.
Johnson cannot possibly be the best rb in the country?
Positives were wellbeck, Sturridge and Stirling. Barclay needs another run out too.
The rest all. All very average indeed.
Originally Posted by codeblue:
“He cannot play in his best positions, because at least two of our players are in great form in that position., Stirling and Sturridge.
He has proved to be poor in a wide position, leaving an equally poor baines exposed time after time.
So what do you do?
If there are better players in your position, you get dropped and have to fight for your place. This is what should happen. Will it happen to Rooney?
It depends if Roy has the character to do so. Rooney is part of that golden generation, the undroppables. Until steve g, frank and Rooney are long gone, we will not win anything.
We also need desperately to have some real competition for joe hart. He is a calamity waiting to happen but cannot be dropped because there is no alternative, or not one who has been tested in friendliest.
Gerrard showed us that he is no pirlo. A once great driving player who is just past it at this level. Anonymous. But that could be said of others too.
Johnson cannot possibly be the best rb in the country?
Positives were wellbeck, Sturridge and Stirling. Barclay needs another run out too.
The rest all. All very average indeed.”
“He cannot play in his best positions, because at least two of our players are in great form in that position., Stirling and Sturridge.
He has proved to be poor in a wide position, leaving an equally poor baines exposed time after time.
So what do you do?
If there are better players in your position, you get dropped and have to fight for your place. This is what should happen. Will it happen to Rooney?
It depends if Roy has the character to do so. Rooney is part of that golden generation, the undroppables. Until steve g, frank and Rooney are long gone, we will not win anything.
We also need desperately to have some real competition for joe hart. He is a calamity waiting to happen but cannot be dropped because there is no alternative, or not one who has been tested in friendliest.
Gerrard showed us that he is no pirlo. A once great driving player who is just past it at this level. Anonymous. But that could be said of others too.
Johnson cannot possibly be the best rb in the country?
Positives were wellbeck, Sturridge and Stirling. Barclay needs another run out too.
The rest all. All very average indeed.”
Rare to read an actual opinion on the situation rather than the usual "Rooney is an overpaid tosser" approach, so respect is due for that
I always used to read rumours when Sven was in charge that the England team sponsors had somewhat of an influence on team selection and, as you point out, the 'undroppables'.
Obviously completely unsubstantiated, but it's certainly the kind of rumour that does ring true when there are players who aren't performing and yet continue to start every game.
Rooney is our only truly world class player; only one that can create something out of nothing. If you believe recent media.....
Drop him, not a fan off, Inwould play Lambert.
Not going into my true feelings for Rooney as I tend to get slated
Not going into my true feelings for Rooney as I tend to get slated
Please excuse my simple view - not really a diehard footie fan.
It seems to me that you have 3 players competing for 2 positions. Surely the sensible decision would be to rotate them - thus keeping some freshness in the legs in that heat.
I get the impression that the manager is keen to be seen as a "good guy" so rather than make a decision, he shoehorns all 3 into his starting line-up, playing one out of position and only achieves having all 3 knackered.
It seems to me that you have 3 players competing for 2 positions. Surely the sensible decision would be to rotate them - thus keeping some freshness in the legs in that heat.
I get the impression that the manager is keen to be seen as a "good guy" so rather than make a decision, he shoehorns all 3 into his starting line-up, playing one out of position and only achieves having all 3 knackered.
So England played probably better then i expected
Gerrard Struggled and probably wasn't good enough
Is Johnson our only RB , because he isnt good enough
Baines may have had no protection ,but he isnt a world Class LB
Sturridge looked good
Sterling is Exciting ,played well in patches
Wellbeck played well but not the greatest going foward
Rooney did ok ,lovely cross but bad miss
but all i hear everywhere is Rooney Rooney Rooney Rooney Rooney Rooney Rooney Rooney Rooney Rooney Rooney Rooney Rooney Rooney Rooney Rooney Rooney Rooney Rooney Rooney
Every phone in , every newspaper article , we are obsessed!!
Gerrard Struggled and probably wasn't good enough
Is Johnson our only RB , because he isnt good enough
Baines may have had no protection ,but he isnt a world Class LB
Sturridge looked good
Sterling is Exciting ,played well in patches
Wellbeck played well but not the greatest going foward
Rooney did ok ,lovely cross but bad miss
but all i hear everywhere is Rooney Rooney Rooney Rooney Rooney Rooney Rooney Rooney Rooney Rooney Rooney Rooney Rooney Rooney Rooney Rooney Rooney Rooney Rooney Rooney
Every phone in , every newspaper article , we are obsessed!!
Originally Posted by batesy2000:
“He's a useless overpaid footballer. The epitome of football today. Does very little, gets paid a lot. Contributed very little and don't even bother to use his assist as a reason for him being there. He struggled throughout the game then started hoofing the ball at goal in a poorly veiled attempt to be the saviour of the game. If only he had the energy and enthusiasm of Sterling but he won't because he is old.”
“He's a useless overpaid footballer. The epitome of football today. Does very little, gets paid a lot. Contributed very little and don't even bother to use his assist as a reason for him being there. He struggled throughout the game then started hoofing the ball at goal in a poorly veiled attempt to be the saviour of the game. If only he had the energy and enthusiasm of Sterling but he won't because he is old.”
Full house on DS cliche bingo!
Rooney has bags of ability there is no doubt about it. Perhaps it might be better for him to come on as a sub. Less pressure and I do think - (not being too critical of the guy) tires a lot more quickly especially in the hot weather than the other players. I think he would could cause a lot more damage coming in to the game later on.
I also agree if he does play for the full 90mins then he has to play up top on his own. That's when he played his best games for United.
I also agree if he does play for the full 90mins then he has to play up top on his own. That's when he played his best games for United.
On his day Rooney is our best player so in theory it would be madness to drop him. However if we are going to play him it has to be in his position or not at all. how do you expect to get the best out of the striker when you are sticking him out of the wing. While he put in a great cross for the goal his lack of tracking back and covering the wing cost us two goals.
I think next match give him a go as the striker or playing just behind him and if he still does not perform then we do have to drop him. As good as he is for some reason he just seems unable to put in a performance on the large stage. I feel sorry for him I wish he could play as he does for united but you cannot afford to carry people in the team at international level.
I think next match give him a go as the striker or playing just behind him and if he still does not perform then we do have to drop him. As good as he is for some reason he just seems unable to put in a performance on the large stage. I feel sorry for him I wish he could play as he does for united but you cannot afford to carry people in the team at international level.
Apart from the setup for the equalizer rooney was crap. But he'll never be dropped because roy isn't brave enough.
Originally Posted by batesy2000:
“He's a useless overpaid footballer. The epitome of football today. Does very little, gets paid a lot. Contributed very little and don't even bother to use his assist as a reason for him being there. He struggled throughout the game then started hoofing the ball at goal in a poorly veiled attempt to be the saviour of the game. If only he had the energy and enthusiasm of Sterling but he won't because he is old.”
“He's a useless overpaid footballer. The epitome of football today. Does very little, gets paid a lot. Contributed very little and don't even bother to use his assist as a reason for him being there. He struggled throughout the game then started hoofing the ball at goal in a poorly veiled attempt to be the saviour of the game. If only he had the energy and enthusiasm of Sterling but he won't because he is old.”
This analysis is worse than the Phil Neville commentary.
I think he should. He was not on form last night and he shouldn't be on the pitch simply because he is Wayne Rooney.
Originally Posted by Never Nude:
“I think he should. He was not on form last night and he shouldn't be on the pitch simply because he is Wayne Rooney.”
“I think he should. He was not on form last night and he shouldn't be on the pitch simply because he is Wayne Rooney.”
Which is what roy has always said. Players will be picked on form not their name but that doesn't seem to be happening. I'd rather play rooney out of position than leave him on the bench.
Rooney should have been in behind Sturridge, not Sterling, and Gerrard shouldn't have been sat back so much, if Roy fixes this in the next game you'll see a better performance from both. Sterling will work just as effectively on the wing.
Originally Posted by FrankieFixer:
“This analysis is worse than the Phil Neville commentary.”
“This analysis is worse than the Phil Neville commentary.”
Originally Posted by Hayden:
“Full house on DS cliche bingo!”
“Full house on DS cliche bingo!”
Mock all you like. Rooney fanboys are just as bad as the haters. The team played well, the result was a disappointment. I expected more from Rooney and Gerrard and the 'young uns' performed well. This isn't an analysis. I'm no expert but I forget, when it comes to football everyone is an expert.
This is my opinion and last time I checked I was allowed to express and defend it.
Originally Posted by Matt35:
“Which is what roy has always said. Players will be picked on form not their name but that doesn't seem to be happening. I'd rather play rooney out of position than leave him on the bench.”
“Which is what roy has always said. Players will be picked on form not their name but that doesn't seem to be happening. I'd rather play rooney out of position than leave him on the bench.”
I am not sure it is purely sown to position since he couldn't even take a corner without flinging it into the crowd. I think Roy has bottled it in that regard, maybe he just sees Rooney and Gerard as part of the furniture.
Maybe he just had a bad night and I am being incredibly harsh.
Originally Posted by codeblue:
“He cannot play in his best positions, because at least two of our players are in great form in that position., Stirling and Sturridge.
He has proved to be poor in a wide position, leaving an equally poor baines exposed time after time.
So what do you do?
If there are better players in your position, you get dropped and have to fight for your place. This is what should happen. Will it happen to Rooney?
It depends if Roy has the character to do so. Rooney is part of that golden generation, the undroppables. Until steve g, frank and Rooney are long gone, we will not win anything.
We also need desperately to have some real competition for joe hart. He is a calamity waiting to happen but cannot be dropped because there is no alternative, or not one who has been tested in friendliest.
Gerrard showed us that he is no pirlo. A once great driving player who is just past it at this level. Anonymous. But that could be said of others too.
Johnson cannot possibly be the best rb in the country?
Positives were wellbeck, Sturridge and Stirling. Barclay needs another run out too.
The rest all. All very average indeed.”
“He cannot play in his best positions, because at least two of our players are in great form in that position., Stirling and Sturridge.
He has proved to be poor in a wide position, leaving an equally poor baines exposed time after time.
So what do you do?
If there are better players in your position, you get dropped and have to fight for your place. This is what should happen. Will it happen to Rooney?
It depends if Roy has the character to do so. Rooney is part of that golden generation, the undroppables. Until steve g, frank and Rooney are long gone, we will not win anything.
We also need desperately to have some real competition for joe hart. He is a calamity waiting to happen but cannot be dropped because there is no alternative, or not one who has been tested in friendliest.
Gerrard showed us that he is no pirlo. A once great driving player who is just past it at this level. Anonymous. But that could be said of others too.
Johnson cannot possibly be the best rb in the country?
Positives were wellbeck, Sturridge and Stirling. Barclay needs another run out too.
The rest all. All very average indeed.”
I think that's a fair analysis. Up to now, I've never suggested Rooney be dropped. But if he was telling Hodgson that he just couldn't handle the first half role he had been given, maybe it's time to think again.
A few years ago he would have been happy chasing up and down providing cover for Baines, he used to cover every blade of grass for United..sometimes he was accused of doing too much ! But if that's now beyond him, Hodgson has to decide whether Rooney is so important to the team that he must be given the number 10 role just behind the striker.
I'm still undecided on that. Rooney redeemed himself with a great cross to Sturridge, and if he had put that one great chance away we probably wouldn't even be talking about it today. Playing 4-2-3-1 we've suddenly got a number of great choices in the attacking midfield positions. I don't think those positions should be set in stone, I would like to see more fluidity. Against Italy we ran into a particular problem and Hodgson should have dealt with it sooner. Uruguay and Costa Rica will be entirely different.
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