Ha, England are crappola!
England vs Uruguay - ITV1 19/6 8pm
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Suarez was left unmarked far too many times. There should have gern someone stuck to him at all times. You can't leave players like him that much space. Its not like we don't what he's capable of. Now we have to hope italy win both their games and we beat costa rica which is don't believe we will.
Poor from England in so many ways but the worst, the very worst sin, was the lacklustre performance from almost all of the team. Where was the fire and determination? These lads didn't look that bothered to be honest. National pride is at a low ebb in this team, football is all about the almighty dollar.
I have rarely seen such a passionless team.
I have rarely seen such a passionless team.
Originally Posted by Flat Matt:
“I wasn't expecting much from this World Cup at all to be honest. This is the worst group of players we've had in a very long time and I've always though we'd struggle to get out of this group.
I think the good performance against Italy raised everyone's expectations, but tonight we just looked like a typical England team: devoid of genuine creativity, quality and talent.
I agree about Milner. He would have been far better in central midfield than Gerrard. I know Milner gets a lot of stick, but I think he does a decent job for England when he plays. He's experienced, steady and solid, which is what you need at times. Gerrard is clearly finished at this level.
Our style of play has to change if we are ever to achieve anything at this level. Right now, the future for England is very bleak in my opinion.”
“I wasn't expecting much from this World Cup at all to be honest. This is the worst group of players we've had in a very long time and I've always though we'd struggle to get out of this group.
I think the good performance against Italy raised everyone's expectations, but tonight we just looked like a typical England team: devoid of genuine creativity, quality and talent.
I agree about Milner. He would have been far better in central midfield than Gerrard. I know Milner gets a lot of stick, but I think he does a decent job for England when he plays. He's experienced, steady and solid, which is what you need at times. Gerrard is clearly finished at this level.
Our style of play has to change if we are ever to achieve anything at this level. Right now, the future for England is very bleak in my opinion.”
James Milner is a wide player. He would not have been better than Steve Gerrard in central midfield
Originally Posted by Steveaustin316:
“Nothing to do with the Premier League, our performances in major tournaments in the 22 years after the formation of the Premier League is better than the 22 years before.
1970-1992 (World Cup and Euros)
Semi Final - 1 (1990)
Quarter Final - 2 (1970, 1986)
Last 12/16 - 1 (1982)
Group Stage - 3 (1980, 1988, 1982)
Failed to qualify - 5 (1972, 1974, 1976, 1978, 1984)
1992-2014
Semi Final - 1 (1996)
Quarter Final - 4 (2002, 2004, 2006, 2012)
Last 16 - 2 (1998, 2010)
Group Stage - 2 (2000, 2014?)
Failed to qualify - 2 (1994, 2008)”
“Nothing to do with the Premier League, our performances in major tournaments in the 22 years after the formation of the Premier League is better than the 22 years before.
1970-1992 (World Cup and Euros)
Semi Final - 1 (1990)
Quarter Final - 2 (1970, 1986)
Last 12/16 - 1 (1982)
Group Stage - 3 (1980, 1988, 1982)
Failed to qualify - 5 (1972, 1974, 1976, 1978, 1984)
1992-2014
Semi Final - 1 (1996)
Quarter Final - 4 (2002, 2004, 2006, 2012)
Last 16 - 2 (1998, 2010)
Group Stage - 2 (2000, 2014?)
Failed to qualify - 2 (1994, 2008)”
The World Cup system changed in 1986 and the Euros in 1996 so they are not directly comparable. Quarter finals didn't exist before the formats changed..
England definitely would have got out of the group stage in the World Cup of 1982, if today's format was around then.
Both competitions had fewer participants in the finals on the old days. No wonder that England failed to qualify more often then.
You also missed out the fact that England got knocked out of Euros in 1992 at the group stage.
Originally Posted by Jim_McIntosh:
“What players do you think might hang up their international boots after this tournament and join Ashley Cole?”
“What players do you think might hang up their international boots after this tournament and join Ashley Cole?”
Hopefully Gerrard. Lacklustre and ineffective in both games. I don't want to see that wingey face of his in an England shirt again.
Originally Posted by Pat_Smith:
“Really, head doesn't count?
I thought the rule was that if the receiving player is down pitch of all the opposing team players at the moment of last contact with the ball (granted, usually a foot passing the ball to the recipient), it was offside?
If the pass is made with the head, not foot, the offside rule doesn't apply?”
“Really, head doesn't count?
I thought the rule was that if the receiving player is down pitch of all the opposing team players at the moment of last contact with the ball (granted, usually a foot passing the ball to the recipient), it was offside?
If the pass is made with the head, not foot, the offside rule doesn't apply?”
You cannot be offside when the ball is played by a member of the opposition, only your own team.
Studge was a bit rubbish and I say that as a Pool fan, how many time dd he get into position just to instep straight at the keeper.
Originally Posted by Pat_Smith:
“Really, head doesn't count?
I thought the rule was that if the receiving player is down pitch of all the opposing team players at the moment of last contact with the ball (granted, usually a foot passing the ball to the recipient), it was offside?
If the pass is made with the head, not foot, the offside rule doesn't apply?”
“Really, head doesn't count?
I thought the rule was that if the receiving player is down pitch of all the opposing team players at the moment of last contact with the ball (granted, usually a foot passing the ball to the recipient), it was offside?
If the pass is made with the head, not foot, the offside rule doesn't apply?”
First, the attacker has to have two defensive players between him and the goal, although the keeper is usually (but not always) one. Secondly, if, as in this case, the ball comes off a defender, you cannot be offside. For Suaurez to be offside in this case, he would have to have been off when the keeper kicked the ball upfield.
Originally Posted by jimbo1962:
“Studge was a bit rubbish and I say that as a Pool fan, how many time dd he get into position just to instep straight at the keeper.”
“Studge was a bit rubbish and I say that as a Pool fan, how many time dd he get into position just to instep straight at the keeper.”
Yes, but he did get into those positions. I think Sturridge has been one of the few plus points from the two games so far. At least he's always looking to cause problems for defenders, even if it doesn't come off. I wish we hadn't sold him to you guys.
Where was Henderson last night? It was only about half way through the second half that I realised he was on the pitch. Woeful and over rated - Henderson and Gerrard have both been awful, and it's been overlooked because of the "tricky wingers" with all their "passion" and "youth" who everyone thought would carry us through. Unfortunately they rely on decent players behind them and that just hasn't happened.
I think we also lack a quality finisher like Suarez - give England the chance to finish like Suarez's second and I honestly don't think we'd bury it in a month of Sundays.
I think we also lack a quality finisher like Suarez - give England the chance to finish like Suarez's second and I honestly don't think we'd bury it in a month of Sundays.
Originally Posted by Par6:
“A heroes welcome awaits Suarez on merseyside, hell, they'll forgive him anything.”
“A heroes welcome awaits Suarez on merseyside, hell, they'll forgive him anything.”
nothing to forgive about this is there?
Originally Posted by Hotgossip:
“Exactly. I said this on here when they were singing the National Anthem .... Or not, in the case of many of them. Before they'd kicked a ball they looked knackered. No bright eyes, no looking eager to get on the pitch, no excitement. A bland bunch indeed.”
“Exactly. I said this on here when they were singing the National Anthem .... Or not, in the case of many of them. Before they'd kicked a ball they looked knackered. No bright eyes, no looking eager to get on the pitch, no excitement. A bland bunch indeed.”
Exactly this.
When you look at the passion with which some countries sing their Narional Anthems it makes our lot look as if they can't really be bothered.
It makes me so mad
Originally Posted by RichmondBlue:
“Yes, but he did get into those positions. I think Sturridge has been one of the few plus points from the two games so far. At least he's always looking to cause problems for defenders, even if it doesn't come off. I wish we hadn't sold him to you guys.”
“Yes, but he did get into those positions. I think Sturridge has been one of the few plus points from the two games so far. At least he's always looking to cause problems for defenders, even if it doesn't come off. I wish we hadn't sold him to you guys.
”
Does anyone think Sturridge is selfish at times?
Originally Posted by trumpet101:
“Where was Henderson last night? It was only about half way through the second half that I realised he was on the pitch. Woeful and over rated - Henderson and Gerrard have both been awful, and it's been overlooked because of the "tricky wingers" with all their "passion" and "youth" who everyone thought would carry us through. Unfortunately they rely on decent players behind them and that just hasn't happened.
I think we also lack a quality finisher like Suarez - give England the chance to finish like Suarez's second and I honestly don't think we'd bury it in a month of Sundays.”
“Where was Henderson last night? It was only about half way through the second half that I realised he was on the pitch. Woeful and over rated - Henderson and Gerrard have both been awful, and it's been overlooked because of the "tricky wingers" with all their "passion" and "youth" who everyone thought would carry us through. Unfortunately they rely on decent players behind them and that just hasn't happened.
I think we also lack a quality finisher like Suarez - give England the chance to finish like Suarez's second and I honestly don't think we'd bury it in a month of Sundays.”
Yes, but Suarez is one of the best half dozen players in the world, we'll have a long wait trying to find a striker of his quality. Spain and France won the World cup without a recognised striker, Germany haven't got a world cllass striker this time around.
Sturridge will improve, but he likes balls played behind defenders to run onto, he's not a "fox in the box" type. He does a lot of his best work playing right across the front line, he's not a traditional target man.
Originally Posted by Sandra Bee:
“Exactly this.
When you look at the passion with which some countries sing their Narional Anthems it makes our lot look as if they can't really be bothered.
It makes me so mad”
“Exactly this.
When you look at the passion with which some countries sing their Narional Anthems it makes our lot look as if they can't really be bothered.
It makes me so mad
”
Clint Dempsey didn't sing the national anthem in their game but he scored 30 seconds into the game so how do you explain his "passion"?
Originally Posted by Sandra Bee:
“Exactly this.
When you look at the passion with which some countries sing their Narional Anthems it makes our lot look as if they can't really be bothered.
It makes me so mad”
“Exactly this.
When you look at the passion with which some countries sing their Narional Anthems it makes our lot look as if they can't really be bothered.
It makes me so mad
”
Jesus wept.
Originally Posted by RichmondBlue:
“Yes, but Suarez is one of the best half dozen players in the world, we'll have a long wait trying to find a striker of his quality. Spain and France won the World cup without a recognised striker, Germany haven't got a world cllass striker this time around.
Sturridge will improve, but he likes balls played behind defenders to run onto, he's not a "fox in the box" type. He does a lot of his best work playing right across the front line, he's not a traditional target man.”
“Yes, but Suarez is one of the best half dozen players in the world, we'll have a long wait trying to find a striker of his quality. Spain and France won the World cup without a recognised striker, Germany haven't got a world cllass striker this time around.
Sturridge will improve, but he likes balls played behind defenders to run onto, he's not a "fox in the box" type. He does a lot of his best work playing right across the front line, he's not a traditional target man.”
Agreed on the first point - I'm not saying we should have a Suarez (although obviously that would be nice!), more that we lack a quality finisher, which is what Suarez is. Other teams may be lacking in that regard but if they can make it up with quality elsewhere and score goals, great. But England can't and they fluff the vast majority of their limited opportunities.
Originally Posted by jeffiner1892:
“Clint Dempsey didn't sing the national anthem in their game but he scored 30 seconds into the game so how do you explain his "passion"?”
“Clint Dempsey didn't sing the national anthem in their game but he scored 30 seconds into the game so how do you explain his "passion"?”
If you read back, I did say some countries.
If anything they are probably too bothered and end up being inhibited in expressing themselves because of it. I watched a game yesterday and one of the players (I forget the country) had a wide grin on his face in general play at the start of the game just because he was loving being there. I never get that impression with England. They don't seem to handle the intense scrutiny very well at all. Often they look like men going to the gallows.
Everyone gets better results doing whatever it is they do if they are 100% mentally and enjoying the experience. England looked a frustrated and disjointed side a lot of the time (and not just when they are losing, generally as well). There isn't a lot of joy and expression in their play and that seems to be the case no matter the players or the manager. The whole culture around the English national team seems a bit off.
Everyone gets better results doing whatever it is they do if they are 100% mentally and enjoying the experience. England looked a frustrated and disjointed side a lot of the time (and not just when they are losing, generally as well). There isn't a lot of joy and expression in their play and that seems to be the case no matter the players or the manager. The whole culture around the English national team seems a bit off.
Should have left Sturridge in the centre, he was far better in the last game in that position and the chances Rooney had, he by and large squandered.
Ok so he got a tap in, but anyone on the field could have finished that. Lets not forget the misses.
Overall passing was poor, defence was non existent.
England should just retire from international football as they are consistently an embarrassment to the nation.
The nation that invented the game, and we can't play our own game with any competency.
..and I do blame club football for this. You look at top athletes, and they're committed to their game. Strict diet, training 7 days a week including evenings, no social life or breaking the diet or drinking beer / going out until they've retired.
In my opinion - English footballers, lots of booze, nightclubbing and late nights, pizzas, women, fast cars. Then they wonder why our footballers aren't as fit or skilful as they might be. The answer is they're not dedicated athletes. They're simply overpaid playboys. Football is simply the day job that makes them rich and funds an extravagant lifestyle.
If English football is ever to be turned around, then in my opinion, we need dedicated athletes. All money saved by the club until they retire. Pay, performance orientated. Low basic eg £300 per week, rest has to be earned by hard work and fitness / skill / result targets. No nights out, booze, women, breaking diets. Live in digs at the club and football 24/7 until they retire. After which they get all their money and the ability to party how they want. Sounds cruel? Well that's what other athletes do and it works for them.
No-one is forced to play football as a career so if there are less footballers but more dedicated ones, would that really be so bad?
Ok so he got a tap in, but anyone on the field could have finished that. Lets not forget the misses.
Overall passing was poor, defence was non existent.
England should just retire from international football as they are consistently an embarrassment to the nation.
The nation that invented the game, and we can't play our own game with any competency.
..and I do blame club football for this. You look at top athletes, and they're committed to their game. Strict diet, training 7 days a week including evenings, no social life or breaking the diet or drinking beer / going out until they've retired.
In my opinion - English footballers, lots of booze, nightclubbing and late nights, pizzas, women, fast cars. Then they wonder why our footballers aren't as fit or skilful as they might be. The answer is they're not dedicated athletes. They're simply overpaid playboys. Football is simply the day job that makes them rich and funds an extravagant lifestyle.
If English football is ever to be turned around, then in my opinion, we need dedicated athletes. All money saved by the club until they retire. Pay, performance orientated. Low basic eg £300 per week, rest has to be earned by hard work and fitness / skill / result targets. No nights out, booze, women, breaking diets. Live in digs at the club and football 24/7 until they retire. After which they get all their money and the ability to party how they want. Sounds cruel? Well that's what other athletes do and it works for them.
No-one is forced to play football as a career so if there are less footballers but more dedicated ones, would that really be so bad?
Originally Posted by Sandra Bee:
“Exactly this.
When you look at the passion with which some countries sing their Narional Anthems it makes our lot look as if they can't really be bothered.
It makes me so mad”
“Exactly this.
When you look at the passion with which some countries sing their Narional Anthems it makes our lot look as if they can't really be bothered.
It makes me so mad
”
That's what you really think is holding back the English national side?
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