Hasn't this been said for years and its never yet happened?
So, file under 'C' for crap.
So, file under 'C' for crap.
3 to end Unlimited Tethering?
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Originally Posted by TheBigM:
“You need to calm down, you jump on him too quickly and every time even when his posts are reasonable.”
“You need to calm down, you jump on him too quickly and every time even when his posts are reasonable.”
You seem to forget the last time when he said this would happen by May 31st and he started saying it would affect existing customers and Three would remove unlimited data for everyone.
He's doing the same thing again and once again has no evidence. As I said, all he does is post anti three stuff. I don't mind when people are negative about any network, hell i'm negative about all of them once in a while. But wavejock just talks crap about Three constantly.
I'm not saying that what he said isn't likely to happen or isn't a point worth discussing. I'm just saying he's taking it too far with the whole changing titles, editing posts and personalisation towards other forum members.
Originally Posted by Silent No More:
“Are you sure?
I thought that if you just stayed 'as you were' once your contract expires, then you will stay on your existing tariff until you choose to change (when they will only offer you a newer tariff).
If you're on the unlimited tethering One Plan, maybe the answer is to simply buy a new phone outright in December (when your current contract is up) and stick your 3 SIM in it (which will still be on the unlimited tethering One Plan).
I'm pretty sure that once your contracted period expires, you will simply stay on the same tariff (on a one month rolling contract basis) until you change.
Obviously if you're looking for a subsidised handset with a new contract, then this doesn't apply.”
“Are you sure?
I thought that if you just stayed 'as you were' once your contract expires, then you will stay on your existing tariff until you choose to change (when they will only offer you a newer tariff).
If you're on the unlimited tethering One Plan, maybe the answer is to simply buy a new phone outright in December (when your current contract is up) and stick your 3 SIM in it (which will still be on the unlimited tethering One Plan).
I'm pretty sure that once your contracted period expires, you will simply stay on the same tariff (on a one month rolling contract basis) until you change.
Obviously if you're looking for a subsidised handset with a new contract, then this doesn't apply.”
Of course my contract would stay the same, but at £36.00 which i don't want to be paying really again, so I want to move down to the sim only plan.
Originally Posted by wavejockglw:
“Is there any outright denial?
I have not seen any.... and the reports of the changes are unchallenged elsewhere.”
“Is there any outright denial?
I have not seen any.... and the reports of the changes are unchallenged elsewhere.”
Apparently O2 keep squirrels in a hut behind their head office and at lunchtimes they poke them with sticks for amusement.
There hasn't been any outright denial to this rumor so it must be true!
I just signed up a new contract with Three with my new Samsung Galaxy Note 3, and I have Unlimited Internet with 2GB of tethering. I really don't mind this, as I do almost everything on my phone anyway, and the 2GB will cover me for when my Virgin Media goes down (which it does quite often).
After spending months looking for a new contract, I stayed with Three because no-one offered anything close to what I'm getting at the price I'm getting it.
Mark
After spending months looking for a new contract, I stayed with Three because no-one offered anything close to what I'm getting at the price I'm getting it.
Mark
Originally Posted by denyo1977:
“Is it really that straight forward? If he just continues his contract, he will be still paying the full price as before and not £23 a month. If he "changes" to the One Plan SIM only, wouldn't that be seen as a tariff change?”
“Is it really that straight forward? If he just continues his contract, he will be still paying the full price as before and not £23 a month. If he "changes" to the One Plan SIM only, wouldn't that be seen as a tariff change?”
Yes, you're absolutely right, I hadn't thought about that.
Can somebody ban this user PLEASE? All he does is spam and troll, ruining this forum for people who are trying to find genuine information.
Serious question: could Three actually stop unlimited data when tethering?
If you use an unlocked, stock Android phone with a Three SIM card and enable tethering, how can Three see that you're actually tethering? The packets requested, must be identical to the packets that are requested on your phone, no?
If you use an unlocked, stock Android phone with a Three SIM card and enable tethering, how can Three see that you're actually tethering? The packets requested, must be identical to the packets that are requested on your phone, no?
Originally Posted by AlecR:
“Serious question: could Three actually stop unlimited data when tethering?
If you use an unlocked, stock Android phone with a Three SIM card and enable tethering, how can Three see that you're actually tethering? The packets requested, must be identical to the packets that are requested on your phone, no?”
“Serious question: could Three actually stop unlimited data when tethering?
If you use an unlocked, stock Android phone with a Three SIM card and enable tethering, how can Three see that you're actually tethering? The packets requested, must be identical to the packets that are requested on your phone, no?”
No, it can be detected, for starters there is the user agent headers, but there's more than that if they want to detect on it. They already do this for plans that don't include tethering.
It has been stated previously that all networks can identify tethering and so the answer to the question is yes. What would be the point of advertising a limit to tethering if no action could be taken to enforce compliance? Tethering presents a major threat to mobile networks if uncontrolled due to the capacity the technology provides. Price and hard limits seem to be better regulators than throttling and compression of some data types for all users in congested areas. Few appear to disagree with the changes being made to provide a more equitable distribution of the capacity available as demands from average users increase.
it looks like he might be correct, I've just gone on the three website and checked the Sim only one plan. when you add it to the basket it shows 5000 texts and underneath 2GB of your allowance can be used as personal hotspot.
Checked some of the smaller plans like the 1GB and they show you can use all your allowance as a personal hotspot
Checked some of the smaller plans like the 1GB and they show you can use all your allowance as a personal hotspot
The clues were clear for a while. I think the change has still to be officially confirmed although as it's hardly an improvement it may simply be quietly introduced without a press release etc.
The bottom line is that networks can only sell what they have available. When most average users consumed little data and there was plenty of capacity there could be no harm acquiring customers with unique offers. The market has changed and 3 have been successful in using the unlimited data USP to win customers but the problem is that in many built up areas that has led to congestion plus traffic managment and that makes for dissatisfied average users investing in costly high end smartphone contracts.
Maybe once the dust settles on the tethering restrictions 3 will resume their previous level of investment and put weight behind an aggressive 4G rollout. The tethering issue and use of the network as a fixed line alternative looks like being addressed and that makes sense to avoid the same problem affecting 4G that has blighted 3G in many cities. 3 have great potential to remain the market shaker and with unlimited handset data they still have a very attractive consumer proposition that for most with fixed line services offers a very unique peace of mind data deal with a smartphone..
The bottom line is that networks can only sell what they have available. When most average users consumed little data and there was plenty of capacity there could be no harm acquiring customers with unique offers. The market has changed and 3 have been successful in using the unlimited data USP to win customers but the problem is that in many built up areas that has led to congestion plus traffic managment and that makes for dissatisfied average users investing in costly high end smartphone contracts.
Maybe once the dust settles on the tethering restrictions 3 will resume their previous level of investment and put weight behind an aggressive 4G rollout. The tethering issue and use of the network as a fixed line alternative looks like being addressed and that makes sense to avoid the same problem affecting 4G that has blighted 3G in many cities. 3 have great potential to remain the market shaker and with unlimited handset data they still have a very attractive consumer proposition that for most with fixed line services offers a very unique peace of mind data deal with a smartphone..
I love the way you make assumptions Wavejock, Three haven't stopped investing in the network. They are actively rolling out 4G now, and it is in more towns than O2 and Vodafone, but with a less in-depth level of coverage in those towns. They also began the rollout 6 months later than O2 and Vodafone as you well know, however they are already years ahead in DC-HSPA coverage compared to O2 and Vodafone.
Originally Posted by Thine Wonk:
“No, it can be detected, for starters there is the user agent headers, but there's more than that if they want to detect on it. They already do this for plans that don't include tethering.”
“No, it can be detected, for starters there is the user agent headers, but there's more than that if they want to detect on it. They already do this for plans that don't include tethering.”
Okay fair enough.
But I've been tethering my phone on PAYG for weeks and they haven't stopped me yet.
Originally Posted by AlecR:
“Okay fair enough.
But I've been tethering my phone on PAYG for weeks and they haven't stopped me yet.”
“Okay fair enough.
But I've been tethering my phone on PAYG for weeks and they haven't stopped me yet.”
Fixed allowance plans they don't enforce (or never used to enforce) tethering blocks, even though they technically don't allow tethering.
Originally Posted by Thine Wonk:
“Fixed allowance plans they don't enforce (or never used to enforce) tethering blocks, even though they technically don't allow tethering.”
“Fixed allowance plans they don't enforce (or never used to enforce) tethering blocks, even though they technically don't allow tethering.”
I bought the all you can eat data allowance though...
Tethering cap on One Plan confirmed if you order a One-Plan SIM now (2GB personal hotspot cap):
http://i.imgur.com/2JUuS8A.png
http://i.imgur.com/2JUuS8A.png
Originally Posted by AlecR:
“I bought the all you can eat data allowance though...”
“I bought the all you can eat data allowance though...”
Well it says "Pay As You Go plans do not allow tethering. If you would like to tether, you will need to choose a Pay Monthly plan and / or an Add-On that does allow tethering. "
Click here on your desktop browser, then on your phone and observe the difference in the bottom box on that page (user agent part).
Originally Posted by AlecR:
“Tethering cap on One Plan confirmed if you order a One-Plan SIM now (2GB personal hotspot cap):
http://i.imgur.com/2JUuS8A.png”
“Tethering cap on One Plan confirmed if you order a One-Plan SIM now (2GB personal hotspot cap):
http://i.imgur.com/2JUuS8A.png”
So much for the first of July!
Ah well, if it means that users won't download 100GB+ over a 3/4G connection then I guess it's a good thing. I'll just have to watch Netflix on my phone rather than my laptop when on the train!
http://i.imgur.com/vgb4x0J.png
Last edited by ConnorL9382 : 18-06-2014 at 19:44
Originally Posted by ConnorL9382:
“So much for the first of July!
Ah well, if it means that users won't download 100GB+ over a 3/4G connection then I guess it's a good thing. I'll just have to watch Netflix on my phone rather than my laptop when on the train!”
“So much for the first of July!
Ah well, if it means that users won't download 100GB+ over a 3/4G connection then I guess it's a good thing. I'll just have to watch Netflix on my phone rather than my laptop when on the train!”
So in that case, capping tethering hasn't worked as you can still watch Netflix using a mobile data connection.
Very deceptive for Three to keep this quiet. You have to wonder what the future is regarding AYCE if they're keeping bad news like this under the radar.
Originally Posted by tghe-retford:
“So in that case, capping tethering hasn't worked as you can still watch Netflix using a mobile data connection.
Very deceptive for Three to keep this quiet. You have to wonder what the future is regarding AYCE if they're keeping bad news like this under the radar.”
“So in that case, capping tethering hasn't worked as you can still watch Netflix using a mobile data connection.
Very deceptive for Three to keep this quiet. You have to wonder what the future is regarding AYCE if they're keeping bad news like this under the radar.”
Their blog still says tethering is unlimited, so if you bought it now I think you could complain if it wasn't.
It's still unlimited tethering according to the T&C.
http://www.three.co.uk/Privacy_Cooki...=1220469566802
Three need to update their site in that case if it's changed.
http://www.three.co.uk/Privacy_Cooki...=1220469566802
Three need to update their site in that case if it's changed.
Originally Posted by jabbamk1:
“It's still unlimited tethering according to the T&C.
http://www.three.co.uk/Privacy_Cooki...=1220469566802”
“It's still unlimited tethering according to the T&C.
http://www.three.co.uk/Privacy_Cooki...=1220469566802”
I'm guessing that will have to stay for the exisiitng contracts who won't be affected till the contract ends.
Originally Posted by slattery69:
“I'm guessing that will have to stay for the exisiitng contracts who won't be affected till the contract ends.”
“I'm guessing that will have to stay for the exisiitng contracts who won't be affected till the contract ends.”
Existing customers don't have to re-contract, they can just keep rolling on the same deal. They only re-contract if they take out a new contract, otherwise you should keep your existing deal.
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