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Old 18-06-2014, 11:03
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This is a point of contention with me. Like it would be impossible to know for sure that David is Bianca's biological father (since Carol was being a teenaged whore) and that Brian Wicks is Simon's biological father (Since Pat was with Pete Beale, Den Watts, Kenny Beale, Brian Wicks and Frank Butcher) without a DNA test, how can Shirley be sure that Kevin ISN'T Carly and Dean's true father? It works both ways. Like there is a chance that Brian and David might be Simon and Bianca's father since their mothers did have sex with them, if, and that is a big IF Shirley was still sleeping with Kevin, then yes, there is a very, very, very, very, very slim chance he could be Carly and Dean's biological father after all. And since I'm sure I'm gonna be repeating this, here is the question.

Did Shirley and Kevin stop having sex around the time Carly and Dean was conceived? If she did, then yes, there is no way Kevin is their father. If she didn't, then it could be a possibility.
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Old 18-06-2014, 12:28
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We've never been told the details but both Shirley and Kevin were so adamant that he wasn't they must have been sure. Kevin loved them so much, wanted to be their father that he'd have said it was possible and suggested a DNA test when Shirley got back to clear it up which was more than possible in 2007. So, I'd imagine they found out somehow back in the 80s - either it was obvious because they weren't sleeping together or perhaps they had different blood groups the situation back then was paternity couldn't be proved but could sometimes be disproved if the father and child had radically different blood groups. Also, with Jimbo being sick, they may well have tested them as babies to check whether they had the same gene which could have proved it.

I don't remember there ever being a suggestion that Carol was promiscuous before Bianca's birth. She appears to have been quite monogamous but relationships just didn't work out. She might have had 4 kids by 4 father's but she knew who all of them were and the 3 with seen on screen gave no indication theu doubted their paternity - if she was known for sleeping around they would have.

Pat admitted she was unsure who Simon's father was, there were several possibilities as she had sex with several different men at the relevent time but that she thought it was probably Brian Wicks - I assume because she was sleeping with him the most or maybe she just thought she saw a physical or personality likeness. But that's hardly proof.

Simon's the only one I think we have real reason to doubt though.
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Old 18-06-2014, 12:39
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Kenny Beale was said to be Simons father. Lou sent him off packing to New Zealand I think because of the disgrace. It was mentioned on one of the early episides. Its on YouTube I think. So inot sure why there's still doubt.
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Old 18-06-2014, 15:16
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Kenny Beale was said to be Simons father. Lou sent him off packing to New Zealand I think because of the disgrace. It was mentioned on one of the early episides. Its on YouTube I think. So inot sure why there's still doubt.
Lou sent Kenny to New Zealand because he'd been having an affair with Pat. But it was never certain that he was actually Simon's father. Lou thought Kenny was the father but was never 100% sure.
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Old 18-06-2014, 15:20
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Lou sent Kenny to New Zealand because he'd been having an affair with Pat. But it was never certain that he was actually Simon's father. Lou thought Kenny was the father but was never 100% sure.
Oh I see. If I was simon I would have done a DNA test by now.
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Old 18-06-2014, 15:32
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Oh I see. If I was simon I would have done a DNA test by now.
Same here but if Simon's father was one of the Beales, it would further entangle the relationships. For the purpose of sanity, let's just agree it was Brian and leave it at that.
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Old 18-06-2014, 22:30
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Pat said that Carol was sleeping with several boys around the time Bianca was conceived and there was a clip somewhere of it on YouTube. Pat basically said that Carol latched on to the first man that she knew.

If Kenny WAS Simon's father, David would be his half-brother and first cousin, Ian would be his cousin, he would have a half-sister Elizabeth Beale and Steven and the twins would be second cousins as well as half-siblings.
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Old 18-06-2014, 22:45
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Pat was mouthing off. Carol did not even dignify it with a response. There was never any doubt that David was Bianca's father.
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Old 18-06-2014, 22:51
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Really? Because Pat seemed really sure about it and before the "love of her life" retcon, Carol was just having a fling with David.
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Old 18-06-2014, 22:59
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David never doubted he was her father and he would know more about Carol's partners than Pat. Carol never once suggested he was not the father. After Pat made that comment to Carol, Carol went round Pat's house and confirmed he was the father. This was all the same episode (I taped the omnibus so it seemed like the same episode but it maybe one later)
Also in 1996 Pat said to David that she thought Carol had been in love with him. Why would she say this if Carol had been with loads of guys at the time? - it wasnt retconned at all. Its not as if Carol ever said she had been sleeping around. Pat said it because they were having an argument - there was so substance to the claim and Carol almost immediately refuted it.
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