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Nigel Goodwin
03-07-2014
Originally Posted by Deacon1972:
“Took two minutes to find a plasma thinner than the equivalent LED - who writes these articles......”

Except you're comparing the thicker section at the bottom of the set (in an attempt to provide slightly less crappy sound), and NOT the thickness of the screen.

The article was perfectly correct - Plasma screens are much thicker than LED/LED ones (not to mention much heavier).
Trevor_C7
03-07-2014
It's a sad day, but it's been coming for a while.

People who like to watch a lot of sport and who are dependent on plasma TVs, are going to be royally buggered by this.

We can only hope LG stay in the market for another year or two.

From what the manager in Currys told me, although I don't necessarily believe him, is that OLED is dead in the water because the panels pack up after 2 years, this being the reason why the major manufacturers have dumped it in favour of 4K LED sets.
Deacon1972
03-07-2014
Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin:
“Except you're comparing the thicker section at the bottom of the set (in an attempt to provide slightly less crappy sound), and NOT the thickness of the screen.

The article was perfectly correct - Plasma screens are much thicker than LED/LED ones (not to mention much heavier).”

No, I was comparing the overall thickness, the Sony LED would stick off the wall more than the plasma. Overall depth is not so much of a consideration when it's going on a cabinet/stand but it is when going on the wall. I would say it defeats the object of having a thin screen if it has a thicker section elsewhere - not as easy to fit a slim wall bracket when you have to overcome extra depth elsewhere. I'd rather something more consistent in depth so the whole screen fits as flat as possible against the wall, instead of a thin screen inches away from it with a bulge at the bottom.

My 50" plasma is half the weight of a 36" crt I once had, current plasmas are 50% lighter still, so I don't see why weight should be an issue.
treefr0g
03-07-2014
Originally Posted by abigail1234:
“I saw Avatar on our 3D TV (bluray) and it was amazing”

Yes. It's imo, the reference disk for 3D.

I'd seen it before in 2D but when I watched the 3D version it was like watching it for the first time.

I don't think I'd watch it in 2D again. It would be like watching half of the film.
crofter
03-07-2014
Originally Posted by call100:
“Yes, they quote spiralling production costs and falling sales for Plasma as the reason for shutting it down.”

Not absolutely true - with the step into 4K resolution and the problems and complexity of producing an ultra HD plasma plus the fact they can mass produce 4K LCD panels with ease makes it a no brainer.

Samsung have paid lip service to their plasma division this year - firstly stating they would continue on into 2014, then saying it would only be continuing with the 2013 range (except they forgot to put them in the UK channel - the 1080p panels have been discontinued since the start of the year). What we have ended up with is they have simply changed the 2013 F HD ready range to the letter H on the box.

Personally I will be holding on to my 55" Panasonic plasma until 4K OLED becomes available at a realistic price as imho LCD is a downgrade no matter what resolution panel it boasts.
crofter
03-07-2014
Originally Posted by Deacon1972:
“BBC article.......



Took two minutes to find a plasma thinner than the equivalent LED - who writes these articles......

Sony 50" LED depth 64mm

LG 50" plasma depth 56mm”

Your links don't work but I can see they are for the sony 50w829 which is a bold move from Sony as they have intentionally increased the depth of the LCD so it will have better backlit uniformity and a decent audio system built in. If I was going to recommend a quality LCD this would be the one ...

The rush for ultra thin and therefore edge-lit LED has been a huge mistake by the manufacturers but some people will actually pay a premium for the thin-is-better theory.
d'@ve
04-07-2014
Originally Posted by crofter:
“Personally I will be holding on to my 55" Panasonic plasma until 4K OLED becomes available at a realistic price as imho LCD is a downgrade no matter what resolution panel it boasts.”

Indeed it is. But I have a mere 51 incher... oh and a 42 incher in the bedroom. I hope to hang on to one or both of them until I can by-pass LCD at a reasonable price.
Deacon1972
04-07-2014
Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin:
“Except you're comparing the thicker section at the bottom of the set (in an attempt to provide slightly less crappy sound), and NOT the thickness of the screen.

The article was perfectly correct - Plasma screens are much thicker than LED/LED ones (not to mention much heavier).”

Just reread the article, it says "plasma TV's can't be made as thin as LED", it doesn't say plasma screens, so the article is incorrect.
d'@ve
04-07-2014
Originally Posted by Deacon1972:
“Just reread the article, it says "plasma TV's can't be made as thin as LED", it doesn't say plasma screens, so the article is incorrect.”

My interpretation of the above is that the thinnest plasma sets cannot be made as thin as the thinnest LCD sets (I refuse to call them LED as they are still LCD). Assuming the same screen diagonal, that's correct, isn't it?
Nigel Goodwin
04-07-2014
Originally Posted by d'@ve:
“My interpretation of the above is that the thinnest plasma sets cannot be made as thin as the thinnest LCD sets (I refuse to call them LED as they are still LCD). Assuming the same screen diagonal, that's correct, isn't it?”

Yes, he's just been pedantic

Personally I always use LCD/LED for the current sets.
Deacon1972
04-07-2014
Originally Posted by d'@ve:
“My interpretation of the above is that the thinnest plasma sets cannot be made as thin as the thinnest LCD sets (I refuse to call them LED as they are still LCD). Assuming the same screen diagonal, that's correct, isn't it?”

If the article had put it that way I wouldn't have questioned it.
barbeler
05-07-2014
Originally Posted by call100:
“I'm thinking that you may be right, once they crack the cost of OLED production, they'll ramp that up and pitch it against LCD.”

I thought LCD was already obsolete and had been replaced by the superior LED sets. I assumed that's why most shops seem to be cutting the price of LCD sets to get rid of them.
Deacon1972
05-07-2014
Originally Posted by barbeler:
“I thought LCD was already obsolete and had been replaced by the superior LED sets. I assumed that's why most shops seem to be cutting the price of LCD sets to get rid of them.”

LED is just the technology used for the back lighting - the display is still LCD.

Previous technology used was CCFL (cold cathode fluorescent lamp), this seems to have been phased out or being phased out, either case its difficult to find a LCD with this type of back lighting, current models anyway.
noise747
05-07-2014
I love my Plasma, it is getting on now, but the picture is still fine when used with a source that produces good picture, the sound is great. It is a shame that plasmas are going, because to be honest I prefer to have a TV that works good, have good sound, not one that looks good when it is switched off.
All the new LCD/LED sets seems to so thin that the sound is thin as well.
neo_wales
05-07-2014
Originally Posted by noise747:
“I love my Plasma, it is getting on now, but the picture is still fine when used with a source that produces good picture, the sound is great. It is a shame that plasmas are going, because to be honest I prefer to have a TV that works good, have good sound, not one that looks good when it is switched off.
All the new LCD/LED sets seems to so thin that the sound is thin as well.”

You may have a point to a certain degree but the sound on many of the newer sets is blooming good. I still run our new 60" set via an amplifier and good speakers but for most use the onboard speakers are fine. Lets be honest, sound on older sets was never great unless you spent coin on a better quality set so things have not really changed.
Nigel Goodwin
05-07-2014
Originally Posted by barbeler:
“I thought LCD was already obsolete and had been replaced by the superior LED sets. I assumed that's why most shops seem to be cutting the price of LCD sets to get rid of them.”

As has been explained, LED is just the back lighting (and mostly edge lighting actually!) used, it's still an LCD set just the same as the CCFL ones.

I don't think shops have been 'cutting the price' of LCD sets, as LED ones are just LCD sets, and the CCFL ones finished pretty well ages ago. The cheap LCD's you're seeing are just that 'cheap sets', and almost certainly LED edge lit.

LED lit sets are thinner, and use less power - personally though I don't find the colours as accurate as the CCFL ones.
Nigel Goodwin
05-07-2014
Originally Posted by neo_wales:
“Lets be honest, sound on older sets was never great unless you spent coin on a better quality set so things have not really changed.”

Not really so, not compared with the sad state of affairs with LCD sound, most of which have been absolutely abysmal - there seems a bit of a resurgence though now, with slightly better sound reappearing.
neo_wales
05-07-2014
Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin:
“Not really so, not compared with the sad state of affairs with LCD sound, most of which have been absolutely abysmal - there seems a bit of a resurgence though now, with slightly better sound reappearing.”

Sound quality has improved the last several years. Back in the 60's and early 70's one of our family were distributors/sellers of Phillips and Grundig equipment and the sound was not bad but not great even though the equipment we used was top end. We've replaced all our TV's in the last few months with smart TV's, I've got to by one more for the forth bedroom and we're done. For bedrooms the sound quality is fine, I did buy a sound bar for the master bedroom and use an amp and speakers on the main TV for when watching a good film sort of thing; the room is set up as a home cinema with pop corn machine, drinks fridge and little freezer for ice creams...the grand children love me lol.

IIRC Nigel your knowledgeable on the audio/visual front, whats your views on HD projectors?
Nigel Goodwin
06-07-2014
Originally Posted by neo_wales:
“IIRC Nigel your knowledgeable on the audio/visual front, whats your views on HD projectors?”

It's not something we stock, we do occasionally get them for customers, but personally it's not something I would be interested in - although they aren't a bad picture, and the size is impressive.
noise747
06-07-2014
Originally Posted by neo_wales:
“You may have a point to a certain degree but the sound on many of the newer sets is blooming good. I still run our new 60" set via an amplifier and good speakers but for most use the onboard speakers are fine. Lets be honest, sound on older sets was never great unless you spent coin on a better quality set so things have not really changed.”

I have not heard good sound yet on a Tv, my next door neighbour got a 45inch Samsung LED, £d, and all the other mod cons that a TV have these days, cost them about £600 and yet the sound is still crap. There is no umpth in it.

My Plasma got nice bass, so a explosion sounds like a explosion and even music sounds good, the only problem is as with all TV sets the speakers are too close together to hear the stereo separation.

I still don't think the picture quality of LCD sets are that great, they may have improved, but the blacks on them still look grey.
noise747
06-07-2014
Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin:
“As has been explained, LED is just the back lighting (and mostly edge lighting actually!) used, it's still an LCD set just the same as the CCFL ones.

I don't think shops have been 'cutting the price' of LCD sets, as LED ones are just LCD sets, and the CCFL ones finished pretty well ages ago. The cheap LCD's you're seeing are just that 'cheap sets', and almost certainly LED edge lit.

LED lit sets are thinner, and use less power - personally though I don't find the colours as accurate as the CCFL ones.”

i have also noticed with some LED sets that the middle of the screen seems darker because the light can not reach to it as well as to the edges.
noise747
06-07-2014
Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin:
“Not really so, not compared with the sad state of affairs with LCD sound, most of which have been absolutely abysmal - there seems a bit of a resurgence though now, with slightly better sound reappearing.”

How can it improve? you may add all the electronic crap to sound yo want, but without the space at the back of speakers you will never get decent sound.

This is why some TV sets have a separate subwoofer.
Nigel Goodwin
06-07-2014
Originally Posted by noise747:
“How can it improve?.”

It's been improved by making the bottom of the sets thicker (confusing Deacon1972 ) to allow slightly larger speakers and more space for them. It's greatly improved the sound, not that it's wonderful now - but at least it's not 'oh my god'
neo_wales
06-07-2014
I've noticed better sound from the new TV's we've recently bought, much better than the older sets (old lol, five or six years old). For general viewing the sound is fine but we do turn on the amp/speakers for a film or TV drama sort of thing but then I've used external amps for some years to improve sound quality even on the old analogue system..

Thanks for the reply regarding HD projectors. We have a long room doing nothing and we'd like our main lounge back as it was so I'll take a look at projectors and hope maybe a projector is the way forward as a true dedicated family/grandchildren true home cinema in it. I'll pop into Richer Sounds and see what's what.
Nigel Goodwin
06-07-2014
Originally Posted by neo_wales:
“Thanks for the reply regarding HD projectors. We have a long room doing nothing and we'd like our main lounge back as it was so I'll take a look at projectors and hope maybe a projector is the way forward as a true dedicated family/grandchildren true home cinema in it. I'll pop into Richer Sounds and see what's what.”

If you've got a good size room that you can dedicate for a projector, then go for it - it's certainly impressive for watching films etc.
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