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Old 21-06-2014, 10:35
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Hoddle was the victim of a witchunt...the man had England on fire when he was in charge...I think we would have beat the Netherlands, and ran Brazil close in 98, but bit of a recurring theme we were cheated by the Argentinans and the ref. Some things never change!
England were absolutely brilliant against Argentina in 98' even when we went down to 10 men.
I really do think we would've won it that year.
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Old 21-06-2014, 10:37
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Hodgson said on ITV before the game that a draw is more than fine for him. We were set up to defend and not to attack.
Thats like saying Chelsea play for a draw every game.
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Old 21-06-2014, 10:37
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We will be here in 10 years time discussing how we have failed at a major tournament. That's if we qualify for them, which I really think is a real threat.
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Old 21-06-2014, 10:46
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We will be here in 10 years time discussing how we have failed at a major tournament. That's if we qualify for them, which I really think is a real threat.
It's a recurring nightmare being England manager.

Every time we go out of tournament, there'll be a root & branch investigations into which lessons will be learned, which they never are, because if anyone dares to suggest any changes, we get up in arms about it.

We then we get an easy qualifying group for the Euros or the WC, think that we're potential world beaters again, then we get to the tournament & realise we're not quite as good as the big boys, get dumped out & the cycle starts again.

The England manager's job really is a poison chalice.
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Old 21-06-2014, 10:50
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Not unless we promise old Woy a free Mobility Scooter if he resigns voluntary.
And the player's they might just get a draw then
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Old 21-06-2014, 10:55
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The England manager's job really is a poison chalice.
I wonder how many other countries say that about their national team ?

Genuine question as well. Do we think this because it's a result of the amount of expectation that the media place on the national side ?
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Old 21-06-2014, 11:09
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I wonder how many other countries say that about their national team ?

Genuine question as well. Do we think this because it's a result of the amount of expectation that the media place on the national side ?
I think it's definitely the main factor.

The ironic thing is that the media have downplayed our chances much more this time around, but they have reverted to type as soon as we have gone out.

Roy took a bold & young side out there & was largely praised for doing so, yet, as soon as it's confirmed we're out, it's back to normal again.

We weren't perfect by any stretch, but we played a lot better than we did four years ago, despite not getting as far.

We were ultimately undone by the genius of Luis Suarez & you just cannot legislate for genius.

It pains me to say it, but we're not a World Cup winning nation anyway.

We might have the self proclaimed 'best league in the world', but the mainstay of the league is foreign players, so that's of no benefit to the England national team, which is ironic, as the Premier League was set up to help the England national side.
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Old 21-06-2014, 11:24
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I don't mind Hodgson staying on. Yes he's too conservative but I think he's a good coach who can help bring belief back. But he needs a young assistants alongside him, who may turn out to be England managers of the future.
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Old 21-06-2014, 11:28
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Why did the FA hire Roy Hodgson when he was fired from a big club like Liverpool?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ol/9350630.stm

Liverpool manager Roy Hodgson has left the club by mutual consent.

Hodgson, 63, won only seven of 20 Premier League games after taking over from Rafael Benitez in July 2010 and led the club to 12th in the table.
If he's no good at Liverpool, one of England's most celebrated clubs, why would anyone, FA included, think he's right for manager of England? I accept most managers get the sack sooner or later (!) but the FA should have considered other managers, perhaps those with stronger Premiership records in recent years.

It was inevitable Hodgson was the wrong guy in the wrong job.
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Old 21-06-2014, 11:40
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Why did the FA hire Roy Hodgson when he was fired from a big club like Liverpool?
The warning signs were mentioned back in 2013:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...dgsons-1792059

I’d just like to get this question in now before it’s widely asked when the obituaries are written on his England career: Why did they appoint him?

Surely failing so miserably, so recently, in his one shot at managing a big English club should have made them question whether he has what it takes to do it at the highest level. At the time, the low-key, behind-closed-doors way he was given the job had the same feel as his Liverpool recruitment.

He was hired by worried men not because of who he was, but who he wasn’t: Rafa Benitez at Anfield, Harry Redknapp at England, both boat-rocking characters, perceived to have baggage, who like to do it their way.

It was a safe, old-school, he’s a respected Englishman who’s earned his shot at the national job appointment. It was Graham Taylor Mark II.

And I fear his end may prove as undignified as the Turnip’s when his head is turned into a piece of fruit or veg after a crushing defeat against a decent side.

Which could be as soon as the November play-offs against, say, Belgium in Brussels (“Sprout of this World”) or next summer after an early plane home from Brazil (CopacaBanana?)

Lettuce pray I’m wrong.
Well he wasn't wrong!

It's possible the FA don't care if England flop because the FA is rich enough through the Sky Premiership deal and other endorsements. The FA, England manager included, rake in millions, even if we flop at the Euro and WC. Sadly, I sort of think this conspiracy theory may have some validity. There's too much money in the English Premier League. It doesn't matter if Wayne Rooney is terrible at the World Cup, if doesn't matter if Roy Hodgson is rubbish at the World Cup, the gravy train that is the Premier League keeps them all wealthy. Hodgson, like all the other failed England managers, gets paid millions. Millions for failure? Yep. You gotta admit it - it's a sweet racket!
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Old 21-06-2014, 11:42
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Why did the FA hire Roy Hodgson when he was fired from a big club like Liverpool?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ol/9350630.stm



If he's no good at Liverpool, one of England's most celebrated clubs, why would anyone, FA included, think he's right for manager of England? I accept most managers get the sack sooner or later (!) but the FA should have considered other managers, perhaps those with stronger Premiership records in recent years.

It was inevitable Hodgson was the wrong guy in the wrong job.
Who is the right man though?

The FA previously hired Fabio Capello; one of the finest managers in football history & he couldn't do anything with England either.

In fact, England played worse in 2010 under him, even if they ultimately went further in the competition because of circumstances around them.
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Old 21-06-2014, 11:45
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Hoddle would likely have the nous to utitlise him correctly, but I still want him to retire in order to prolong his career at Liverpool.
He won't continue after this debacle. He knows that Rooney and himself will take the brunt of the criticism.
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Old 22-06-2014, 16:13
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I don't mind Hodgson staying on. Yes he's too conservative but I think he's a good coach who can help bring belief back. But he needs a young assistants alongside him, who may turn out to be England managers of the future.
l agree, Mandark, and nothing will be gained from sacking Roy Hodgson except to cause yet more disruption. It won't also address the fundamental, underlying issues such as the dominance and hostility of Premier League managers and owners, lack of England team training time, lack of high level experience for younger players, lack of motivation and drive to win and succeed (although bringing in expert sports psychologists might help there).

It's a complete indictment of the whole England team set up that England came bottom of their group below Uruguay (population 3.3 million) and Costa Rica (4.6 million).
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Old 22-06-2014, 19:41
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He won't continue after this debacle. He knows that Rooney and himself will take the brunt of the criticism.
That be a start, both of them going, then we can build a England team to be proud.
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Old 22-06-2014, 19:49
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I am not a huge Roy fan but I honestly can't see who we could realistically bring in who would be any better?
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Old 22-06-2014, 22:27
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He has massively flopped, to not even make it out of the group is terrible. Plus he sowed the seeds of our exit by dropping Terry and Cole. I wouldn't have the remotest problem sacking him, this World Cup has been embarrassing .
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Old 24-06-2014, 13:04
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West Brom manager Roy Hodgson has told BBC Radio Five Live's Sportsweek he was unlucky in his time at Liverpool.

Hodgson took over at Anfield in July 2010 but left in January 2011 after seven wins in 20 Premier League games.
7 wins out of 20 games is a 35 percent success ratio. That's a poor record and why the FA thought that made Hodgson deserving of becoming England manager, who knows! When you consider how poorly he did at Liverpool it's no real shock to see what's happened to England during this World Cup. I think if we lose against Costa Rica, Hodgson should go. He won't go cos Greg Dyke said he'll stay on until after the Euro 2016 campaign but if we lose all three of our group matches he'll be a lame duck manager. The press will hound him for the next two years which won't inspire England to do well at Euro 2016.
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Old 24-06-2014, 13:16
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I'd hazard a guess that their decision probably wasn't based on 20 games in charge of Liverpool.
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Old 24-06-2014, 13:23
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He has massively flopped, to not even make it out of the group is terrible. Plus he sowed the seeds of our exit by dropping Terry and Cole. I wouldn't have the remotest problem sacking him, this World Cup has been embarrassing .
He didn't drop Terry.
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